Carroll thinks the Brown and Richardson trades did not help

[Seymour]

Anyone else see the desperate denial here with giving the Graham trade a pass for 3 years then Pete calling these 2 trades out? WOW Pete, you are so blind to some things around you sometimes. Graham is making more money that either of these guys too. Which hurts the team more? No line, so leave Graham in to block? Just stupid trades like this so Pete can have his toys that all have flat tires called a B league oline.

Has anyone asked him about the Graham trade in the wake of his worst loss as a Seahawks coach?

He's been asked about Grahams use many times over the last 3 seasons. Or are you implying he will only speak "the truth" (by Pete's standards = throw under the bus) after a bad loss?

I think yesterday was pretty jarring to everyone, including him. Perhaps this is the first of many “truths” he comes to in the near future.

Could be. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but this is why possibly another loss could help bring about required change though.

 

[Uncle Si]

I can see that point. You don’t want a staff that has turned a blind eye to glaring weaknesses because they were able to “almost” over come them to be given another reason to repeat that process.

Still.. I hope they beat the Cowboys.

 

[FlyingGreg]

After seeing the entire quote I think Bob Condotta is being irresponsible here. Pete also mentioned injuries in that same sentence and how given all of that it hasn't worked out the way we hoped

Also, I don't see how the Graham trade was "terrible." He's among tops in the league in touchdowns. What's more glaring is Bevell's incompetence and Jimmy's uselessness between the 20 hashmarks, which is again a Bevell thing

He just does not fit this offense. It's end zone or bust for him, his catches and YPC are way down. He is among the tops in the league in touchdowns, but this offense is a disjointed mess.

He also has one catch for -1 yards in the last 2 games COMBINED. Your biggest weapon. You have to ask are we getting what we should be for $10 million? Give me Zach Miller in his prime any day of the week. Miller is the style of tight end we need, honestly.

By the way, I have no doubt Graham goes to another team and goes off next season. It is what it is.

 

[hawkfannj]

That my friends is deflection 101 .

 

[Seymour]

Graham makes us soft on offense...PERIOD. We gave up Unger and a first. Draft picks and the lack of landing high quality starters is killing this team. Graham is 2nd in the league in drops, and checks out / loses interest on a regular basis.

Now the team is checking out all of the sudden. Yet they play games and are having fun in practice so it's all good. ukeface:

 

[Bobblehead]

LOL.. Sheldon a bust?

Seem to remember not to long ago, how awesome he was and to trade him for a LT was waaay out of line and ludicrous.

Things really do change, game by game.

 

[Thepeelsessions]

Richardson has been a dud.

Schneider got fleeced in both trades. He kinda sucks at making trades, seems to get played by everyone.

He does. He traded a 5th for Kelcie McCray and traded a 5th for Dewey McDonald (is that his name?) I think he also attempted to trade yet another 5th for yet another safety from San Fran, at the same time as the McDonald deal. The name has escaped me, but it didn't go through due to a failed physical. He loves trading 5ths for safety depth that just don't pan out. And now McDonald is a backup LB who is on IR. Injury or not, it's been a failed experiment.

I will say that I don't think the Brown trade is that bad. It sure would've been nice if they had been able to unload Lane instead of The extra pick. But Brown should give this team a very sound and capable LT for the next few years, while they can invest in and groom the future of that position. I'm probably in the minority here, but I still believe Fant is a major piece on this team, as I have from day 1 of him being signed as an UDFA.

I think Brown was a good investment. I'm not sure what to think of Richardson. Honestly, who can they replace him with next season? Reed is, IMO, JAG. Naz Jones has been extremely impressive. I really have no faith in McDowell. He seems like a complete waste and a head case. I hated the pick then, and it's even more embarrassing now. Considering what they have up for Richardson, I think they need to find a way to keep him. He should be a core piece moving forward.

 

[Str8OuttaSkittles]

man duane has helped anyone can see that. our offensive line is a damn right disgrace and the blame lies at FO

 

[TwistedHusky]

Shelden saved several games and was one of the most impressive forces on our defense.

Without him we lose 3 more games easy.

Again, the start of this disaster was not him. It was trading Unger. That gutted our run game and drove off Lynch.

If we fire Bevell after the SB loss, we make another SB with Lynch and Wilson. That was a tremendously weak SB with a shaky Denver offense (led by Osweiler) vs a pretty average Panthers team.

THAT was our other SB win. Then Lynch would have retired a hero and Seattle could have retooled to hand the keys to Wilson. In 2-3 years we would have been back.

But we clung to shaky coordinators, removed accountability and kept forcing a run game that we ourselves gutted. It didn't help that half our cut block strategies were outlawed too.

Richardson was not the problem. He was one bright spot on a ish season.

 

[Hawks46]

Richardson is not a sack monster, his game is all about collapsing the pocket.

Richardson has never been a sack monster. He had one good year for sacks in his career.

What he IS good at, like you said is collapsing the pocket and moving the QB off his spot. He's also been really good at improving the play of those around him.

 

[Bobblehead]

I"m not sure if Pete is saying, Sheldon and Brown haven't worked out more than, that the team hasn't worked out with them on it..

It could have been a lot worse had they not been on it.

Would they have won the Phil games without them?

 

[RussB]

Not a good look for pete.

 

[Rocket]

To have this many pro bowlers on the roster and still be so mediocre is an indictment of the coaching.

Quite prophetic... heads might roll.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Pete seems like he's inadvertently incriminating himself and the other coaches with this statement. To have this many pro bowlers on the roster and still be so mediocre is an indictment of the coaching.

Agree.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

I heard it on the radio this morning and feel like this is being blown out of proportion. The way condotta presented it was to drive this exact type of reaction.

 

[Sports Hernia]

To have this many pro bowlers on the roster and still be so mediocre is an indictment of the coaching.

Quite prophetic... heads might roll.

One can only hope.

 

[Rocket]

Pete seems like he's inadvertently incriminating himself and the other coaches with this statement. To have this many pro bowlers on the roster and still be so mediocre is an indictment of the coaching.

Agree.

I beat ya to it.... Haw !!! :irishdrinkers:

 

[Rocket]

Holgrens curse was that he had his way and he needed players in that mold to make it go. I feel this makes one a mediocre coach by definition.
I had thought pete was better, but he overpays on the D side and scrimps on the O side - Wilson, within Pete's preferred scheme, was pure luck for pete. Take out the gift of Wilson and we'd be 4-9 or something uglier.

 

[Chapow]

I heard it on the radio this morning and feel like this is being blown out of proportion. The way condotta presented it was to drive this exact type of reaction.

After seeing the entire quote I think Bob Condotta is being irresponsible here. Pete also mentioned injuries in that same sentence and how given all of that it hasn't worked out the way we hoped

You guys are both absolutely correct and Condotta should be ashamed of himself.

It doesn't matter though because everyone is so upset after yesterdays loss that they will latch onto anything like a pit bull whether it's true or not, or whether it's been completely taken out of context or not. People could basically make up anything, and I mean anything, negative about Pete right and much of this fan base would believe it instantly and use it as evidence of why he should go regardless of if there's any truth to it or not.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Good way to throw players under the bus Pete, keep ignoring Cables lack luster coaching ability.

Personally I think both trades have helped immensely, and the Richardson trade would not have been needed if they wouldn't have reached for Malik..

Oh I forgot about all the scouting reports on Malik that said he’d break his face riding an ATV in the offseason. You’re so wise though. Continue on.

:lol: