Carroll thinks the Brown and Richardson trades did not help

[2_0_6]

Good way to throw players under the bus Pete, keep ignoring Cables lack luster coaching ability.

Personally I think both trades have helped immensely, and the Richardson trade would not have been needed if they wouldn't have reached for Malik..

 

[mistaowen]

Didn't pass blocking metrics go up from almost dead last to like 9th after Brown? And Sheldon has been consistently creating some good interior pressure. Not sure what Pete's talking about here.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I'm gonna be the guy to go out on a limb and agree with him.

Brown's improved pass blocking metrics have not resulted in an increase in offensive production. Nobody wants to look that fact straight in the face, but there it is. One offensive lineman was never going to seal things off, and the price (i.e. a second AND third rounder from the same draft) was steep for the benefits it's brought.

As far as Richardson - well, he's slammed the door shut on some key opponent drives and helped seal a few wins. But all in all, I'm not sure that's worth top DL money, so I don't expect him to be resigned. A lot of his production comes against the run. He's not providing immediate pocket penetration like we hoped he would. That's just not materializing.

Basically, these guys are in the same boat as Kam and Sherman. Overpaid, but still valuable...but still, overpaid.

I'm not sure I would have said what Pete did, though.

 

[2_0_6]

Richardson is not a sack monster, his game is all about collapsing the pocket.

 

[ducks41468]

Pete seems like he's inadvertently incriminating himself and the other coaches with this statement. To have this many pro bowlers on the roster and still be so mediocre is an indictment of the coaching.

 

[IrishNW]

Richardson has been a dud.

Schneider got fleeced in both trades. He kinda sucks at making trades, seems to get played by everyone.

 

[jammerhawk]

So far neither has been all that wonderful.

However RW would already be on IR if the team hadn't got Brown.

The team has tried to trade acquire legit NFL talent and trade back in the draft to acquire more bodies. Quite a few of the trades haven't born the fruit expected.

 

[FlyingGreg]

Richardson is not a sack monster, his game is all about collapsing the pocket.

The problem is, and what Pete is hinting at, is when you have a guy that does that... the edge rushers should be eating it up. They are not. Bennett is hurt and Clark is pretty good in spots, but I think they expected Sheldon to be an unblockable force that opened up other players. It hasn't worked out that way.

But really, what trade that this front office has made other than the obvious one (BEAST) has been a gold star move? Harvin was an abject failure. Graham has been an enigma and doesn't fit this offense, at all (think about what Zach Miller did in this system for comparison). We traded for DJ Alexander to shore up special teams this year, and we have one of the worst special teams units in the league (mostly now because of injuries, admittedly).

Trades rarely work out the way you want them to because the dynamics are so different and there are a lot of variables.

 

[2_0_6]

Richardson is not a sack monster, his game is all about collapsing the pocket.

The problem is, and what Pete is hinting at, is when you have a guy that does that... the edge rushers should be eating it up. They are not. Bennett is hurt and Clark is pretty good in spots, but I think they expected Sheldon to be an unblockable force that opened up other players. It hasn't worked out that way.

But really, what trade that this front office has made other than the obvious one (BEAST) has been a gold star move? Harvin was an abject failure. Graham has been an enigma and doesn't fit this offense, at all (think about what Zach Miller did in this system for comparison). We traded for DJ Alexander to shore up special teams this year, and we have one of the worst special teams units in the league (mostly now because of injuries, admittedly).

Trades rarely work out the way you want them to because the dynamics are so different and there are a lot of variables.

Agreed but once Avril went out, then Bennett had the foot issue, it really threw things all outta whack.

 

[Missing_Clink]

The team went all-in for one more run this year and it has backfired horribly.

 

[rossob]

I don't think that is such an unexpected statement. Everyone here thought and hoped those trades would prove more valuable than they have so far. We thought Richardson was the missing key to have one of the best Dlines in the league and hoped Brown would solidify the whole Oline by teaching the young players and give Russell a side where he can run to.

Yesterday certainly did not look good for Duane, but I don't think we can say that it was a bad trade yet.

And Richardson not only made some good plays, but we also don't know how our Dline would have been without him. The two proven commodities (Bennett & Avril) did not play or not at 100%. Who knows what's going on with Clark with his inconsistency changing between one of the best in the game and "does he play today?". All the other D-linemen are on cheap contracts for a reason, they haven't shown anyone yet that they are good.

 

[Scorpion05]

I think this is over analysis into what he said. Richardson has made some amazing plays since being here, this is just recency bias

My interpretation of his statements is that he thought the D-line and O-line would be far more along with those fixes. Not that they're not great players

 

[Seymour]

Nice one Pete. Although I somewhat agree, him throwing that out there is a huge change for him and a sign he is ready to bail on this team IMO.

 

[2_0_6]

Nice one Pete. Although I somewhat agree, him throwing that out there is a huge change for him and a sign he is ready to bail on this team IMO.

Exactly. It just goes to show, it only took Cable a few weeks to turn a Pro Bowl left tackle to a turn style.

 

[Seymour]

Anyone else see the desperate denial here with giving the Graham trade a pass for 3 years then Pete calling these 2 trades out? WOW Pete, you are so blind to some things around you sometimes. Graham is making more money that either of these guys too. Which hurts the team more? No line, so leave Graham in to block? Just stupid trades like this so Pete can have his toys that all have flat tires called a B league oline.

 

[Uncle Si]

Anyone else see the desperate denial here with giving the Graham trade a pass for 3 years then Pete calling these 2 trades out? WOW Pete, you are so blind to some things around you sometimes. Graham is making more money that either of these guys too. Which hurts the team more? No line, so leave Graham in to block? Just stupid trades like this so Pete can have his toys that all have flat tires called a B league oline.

Has anyone asked him about the Graham trade in the wake of his worst loss as a Seahawks coach?

 

[Seymour]

Anyone else see the desperate denial here with giving the Graham trade a pass for 3 years then Pete calling these 2 trades out? WOW Pete, you are so blind to some things around you sometimes. Graham is making more money that either of these guys too. Which hurts the team more? No line, so leave Graham in to block? Just stupid trades like this so Pete can have his toys that all have flat tires called a B league oline.

Has anyone asked him about the Graham trade in the wake of his worst loss as a Seahawks coach?

He's been asked about Grahams use many times over the last 3 seasons. Or are you implying he will only speak "the truth" (by Pete's standards = throw under the bus) after a bad loss?

 

[Scorpion05]

After seeing the entire quote I think Bob Condotta is being irresponsible here. Pete also mentioned injuries in that same sentence and how given all of that it hasn't worked out the way we hoped

Also, I don't see how the Graham trade was "terrible." He's among tops in the league in touchdowns. What's more glaring is Bevell's incompetence and Jimmy's uselessness between the 20 hashmarks, which is again a Bevell thing

 

[Uncle Si]

Anyone else see the desperate denial here with giving the Graham trade a pass for 3 years then Pete calling these 2 trades out? WOW Pete, you are so blind to some things around you sometimes. Graham is making more money that either of these guys too. Which hurts the team more? No line, so leave Graham in to block? Just stupid trades like this so Pete can have his toys that all have flat tires called a B league oline.

Has anyone asked him about the Graham trade in the wake of his worst loss as a Seahawks coach?

He's been asked about Grahams use many times over the last 3 seasons. Or are you implying he will only speak "the truth" (by Pete's standards = throw under the bus) after a bad loss?

I think yesterday was pretty jarring to everyone, including him. Perhaps this is the first of many “truths” he comes to in the near future.

 

[original poster]

Certainly not the Pete we’re used to.

I’d pay season ticket money to be a fly on the wall for one hour at the VMAC today.