Carroll said "doubting fans need to “do their homework”

[thebanjodude]

Really?
We have the NFC Defending champion breathing down our necks, which we have a slim one game lead on. They are playing better than us thus far and getting healthier while we still have key guys out.

So much fail in this statement.

 

[hawkfan1975]

Well we pulled off a win (great!), but if any of you actually feel our passing game is even nominally acceptable at this point I strongly disagree. RW rushing 80% of a game with a mix of good throws and some wildly inaccurate passes (which is what it's been lately) describes a serious breakdown of our O. Maybe it's the line, maybe it's by design, but I all i know is that it has to start coming together. Our WR's and QB are ballers, so something is up here. Glad we won but I don't think I'm being far fetched in saying our D has saved us more often. I'd love to see this offense complete a drive with some more TD's.

sidenote: Lastly, thank god for Lynch. He's been getting my game MVP award consistently. I don't care so much about yardage stats, he gives 1000% each time he gets the ball making defense chase him around all day. That wears down defenses (which our O SHOULD be able to take advantage of. I'd like to see that come around).

 

[OreIdahawk]

And tenth when adjusted for YPG.

Man, I think you guys have convinced me that our offense is better than I thought it was. Sure, we're mid-twenties in passing offense, but we're run-first, which has to be factored in. I'm going to go ahead and move my position more toward DavidSeven and Volsung on this. They have made some great points with stats in this thread.

Still concerned about our RZ offense and third-down conversions, but we can chew up yards and move the ball just fine, it looks like.

Basically what I've been saying in multiple threads including this one, but whatever..

 

[RolandDeschain]

404 yards to 223, won TOP, 24 first downs to 13. The score doesn't reflect domination. I believe you know all of this, but my counter point was that you said "regardless of the score", which now you seem to be picking up like an erroneous flag with the "we only scored two touchdowns" thing.

Aside of this, if you are expecting to outgain an opponent by more than 200 yards every game or you're let down, then perhaps my definition of domination isn't what truly needs looked at.

Time of possession is the most meaningless statistic in football. Yards is not worth much, either. The Seahawks have won plenty of games while losing both the time of possession "battle" and by having way fewer yards than their opponent in the last year-and-a-half.

 

[nanomoz]

Our last home game of the season last year our offense wasn't necessarily "sharp" against the Rams. It happens. Expecting 50 points a game is unrealistic. Be happy we are winning and can get better.

Am I allowed to be happy AND critique the team and expect improvements in some areas?

I'm probably ready to give up any attempt at a conversation of reasonable criticism. But thank you for being reasonable.

 

[HansGruber]

Alright, Volsung.

We almost lost at home to the Tennessee Titans featuring Ryan Fitzpatrick.

If Fitzpatrick had thrown two key passes that we ended up intercepting a little better in this game, we probably WOULD have lost it.

That is nonsense. We were never in danger in this game. Seattle was running the ball at will. We were controlling the time of possession, even with all the turnovers. Tennessee couldn't put together a drive of more than 30 yards, and their only touchdown came on a bizarre fluke play.

The game was never close. Even after Tennessee was gifted the fumble TD, Seattle was still in control of the game.

This board is pathetic. Every season, including last season, people here overreact and freak out. You'd think people would learn after last season, by week 5, we had people screaming that Wilson should be benched, Carroll was dumb to start a rookie, Flynn should be the starter, etc. Guess people really don't learn.

We almost lost this game? Pure hyperbole.

 

[Scottemojo]

Our last home game of the season last year our offense wasn't necessarily "sharp" against the Rams. It happens. Expecting 50 points a game is unrealistic. Be happy we are winning and can get better.

Am I allowed to be happy AND critique the team and expect improvements in some areas?

Of course. That is the exact line I have been walking.

 

[thebanjodude]

I beg to differ, tackles is the most meaningless statistic in football

 

[Cartire]

404 yards to 223, won TOP, 24 first downs to 13. The score doesn't reflect domination. I believe you know all of this, but my counter point was that you said "regardless of the score", which now you seem to be picking up like an erroneous flag with the "we only scored two touchdowns" thing.

Aside of this, if you are expecting to outgain an opponent by more than 200 yards every game or you're let down, then perhaps my definition of domination isn't what truly needs looked at.

Time of possession is the most meaningless statistic in football. Yards is not worth much, either. The Seahawks have won plenty of games while losing both the time of possession "battle" and by having way fewer yards than their opponent in the last year-and-a-half.

TOP is the most meaningless statistic in football.......? You just said that. You just said, TOP is the most meaningless statistic in football. In fact, Im going to copy it again, even thought I have typed it here twice.

Time of possession is the most meaningless statistic in football.

TOP was a major, MAJOR, factor in why the Colts lost last night. Besides the obvious reason being, if your offense isnt on the field, they cant score. The other factor being, the longer your defense is out there, the harder it is for them to stop the other team.

Im adding it to my signature now.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Am I allowed to be happy AND critique the team and expect improvements in some areas?

No, you are not, according to most of this forum. We're 5-1 and that means we're freakin' perfect, or so close to it as to make the difference irrelevant. Now be a good mindless sheep and bask in the 5-1 glory, knowing no problems will come up this year that need to be addressed.

:devil:

 

[Scottemojo]

I-Ro wants cake. He wants cake now!

 

[Reaneypark]

What does all this "concern" get anyone? The team is 5-1 and in the driver's seat for the NFC pole position. Enjoy it. It sure beats the hell out of being 3-3 and hoping that we might get a wild card.

 

[RolandDeschain]

TOP is the most meaningless statistic in football.......? You just said that. You just said, TOP is the most meaningless statistic in football. In fact, Im going to copy it again, even thought I have typed it here twice.

Time of possession is the most meaningless statistic in football.

TOP was a major, MAJOR, factor in why the Colts lost last night. Besides the obvious reason being, if your offense isnt on the field, they cant score. The other factor being, the longer your defense is out there, the harder it is for them to stop the other team.

Im adding it to my signature now.

It's clear that you don't understand football very well. The goal is to have your offense with the ball most of the time, more than the other team. Yes. However, the team with more time of possession at the end of each game only wins a little more than HALF OF THE TIME. It's almost like flipping a damned coin. It doesn't MEAN anything. Seriously, pick a week in the NFL and I will show you that at least 40% of all the games, the losing team "won" the time of possession "battle".

 

[Smelly McUgly]

What does all this "concern" get anyone? The team is 5-1 and in the driver's seat for the NFC pole position. Enjoy it. It sure beats the hell out of being 3-3 and hoping that we might get a wild card.

I am enjoying it. I'm also hoping to keep enjoying it all the way to a Lombardi, at which point I will become a glowing mass of impenetrable joy. Only way I can do that is if this team cleans up some of its mistakes, though.

 

[DavidSeven]

Are we allowed to be happy about how the team is performing overall in spite of numerous key injuries while conceding there are areas of possible improvement like there are with every NFL team?

 

[Cartire]

TOP is the most meaningless statistic in football.......? You just said that. You just said, TOP is the most meaningless statistic in football. In fact, Im going to copy it again, even thought I have typed it here twice.

Time of possession is the most meaningless statistic in football.

TOP was a major, MAJOR, factor in why the Colts lost last night. Besides the obvious reason being, if your offense isnt on the field, they cant score. The other factor being, the longer your defense is out there, the harder it is for them to stop the other team.

Im adding it to my signature now.

It's clear that you don't understand football very well. The goal is to have your offense with the ball most of the time, more than the other team. Yes. However, the team with more time of possession at the end of each game only wins a little more than HALF OF THE TIME. It's almost like flipping a damned coin. It doesn't MEAN anything. Seriously, pick a week in the NFL and I will show you that at least 40% of all the games, the losing team "won" the time of possession "battle".

Say whatever you want, you just keep on digging boy. You can never convince me otherwise. You can say "you clearly dont understand football very well." And I can now counter always with "Time of possession is the most meaningless statistic in football." You lose all credibility. You have been exposed. Nothing you can say can redeem it.

Well...You could say you were wrong.... but when pigs fly, right?

 

[Lords of Scythia]

TOP domination grinds down opponent Ds and makes them easier to operate against, but the most important stat is turnovers.

 

[Sac]

TOP is the effect, not the cause. It's an indicator, and not a very strong one.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

But seriously, what is the most meaningless statistic in football, at least related to how much we harp on it traditionally?

I would say "fumbles recovered." That's an absolute crapshoot once the ball gets put on the ground.

 

[volsunghawk]

404 yards to 223, won TOP, 24 first downs to 13. The score doesn't reflect domination. I believe you know all of this, but my counter point was that you said "regardless of the score", which now you seem to be picking up like an erroneous flag with the "we only scored two touchdowns" thing.

Aside of this, if you are expecting to outgain an opponent by more than 200 yards every game or you're let down, then perhaps my definition of domination isn't what truly needs looked at.

Time of possession is the most meaningless statistic in football. Yards is not worth much, either. The Seahawks have won plenty of games while losing both the time of possession "battle" and by having way fewer yards than their opponent in the last year-and-a-half.

That is not true.

We have only won 3 games since the start of 2012 where we lost the yardage and TOP battle, and all three were INCREDIBLY close and could have easily been losses: Green Bay, New England, and Houston.