Byron friggan Murphy

[sutz]

Nope he may have played ok but his stats were mediocre

Stats don't tell the whole story, especially in line play.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I think D Law had a lot to do with the success of the D line today. He adds a special spice to the D.

The D-line's performance certainly seems to have scaled with D-Law's presence over the last few games. I was not expecting him to be so impactful.

But that doesn't take away from Murphy. There's probably no position group where the stats let you down more than the defensive line. Murphy's been finding ways to be disruptive since his first snap and he just keeps getting better.

 

[pmedic920]

Stats don't tell the whole story, especially in line play.

This right here.

Can’t be said enough.

I’ve even seen someone say they were tired of hearing about “double teams” etc.

It’s fact, his rookie year when in the game he was consistently drawing double teams.

That frees up someone else, and it doesn’t reach that typical stat line.

It’s very common that NCAA O lineman take 2, 3, even 4 years to get completely up to speed.

I’ve said it many times. I watched this kid in college a lot. If he stays healthy, I think he’ll be a HOF/all pro type player.

Can’t understand the negativity one bit.

 

[Hawkpower]

Yes, for the first defensive player picked the expectations were high and he was not the best player

Doubling (tripling?) down?

A simple "I am happy to be wrong" would suffice

His position isn't predicated by stats, although he's certainly adding that element this year

His play as a rookie, constantly being double teamed told us all we needed to know about how he was seen across the league

We know.....you wanted a different pick there. Clearly.

 

[Hawkpower]

I agree with @Rat . Murphy had a good game today. It doesn't mean he's a superstar. He's still a work in progress. I hope he keeps getting better.

I don't see why a good game by one player turns into "I was right and you were wrong."

He's been elite all year

Cmon now. Let it go and move on

 

[Scout]

Mac's defenses may be known for exotic looks on the backend with multiples of DB's but he knows you need horses in the trenches. This is where there is major payoff for the backend to cause confusion and do their work.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He would have whined no matter what I said. It's what he does. He's a laugh react warrior who stalks my posts and it gets annoying. I don't even know what the hell "apology" he's talking about, but whatever. I told myself I wouldn't engage him anymore, so that's a failure on my part.

Like I said, Murphy was fantastic today. The entire DL feasted; it was great. He has been inconsistent this season IMO, but that's not unusual for a young player either. If he keeps this up, I'm more than happy to admit I judged him too harshly too quickly. I have admitted being wrong about a number of players over the years, both from liking them too much, and from not liking them enough. I called AJ Barner a stupid pick last season, and am happy eating that crow. He's a beast, and the front office deserves enormous credit for seeing something beyond what he showed in college.

Expecting anyone to jump from one extreme to the other after one game is unreasonable. Murphy took a huge leap today in proving me wrong. If you need more than that, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[pmedic920]

Give a listen if you will.
Coach says he knew what was up with BM.

BTW, in case you weren’t aware already, sounds like BM had 2 sacks AND 7 pressures.

I recommend listening to the whole thing, but if you only want to hear what was said about BM, FF to about the 5 min mark

 

[Dallashawksfan]

Doubling (tripling?) down?

A simple "I am happy to be wrong" would suffice

His position isn't predicated by stats, although he's certainly adding that element this year

His play as a rookie, constantly being double teamed told us all we needed to know about how he was seen across the league

We know.....you wanted a different pick there. Clearly.

No , I am debating he had a great season like some of you claimed. He didn’t. He was OK not great. You have nothing to show except he was double team and his position doesn’t show up in stats

Now he is playing great and his stats show

 

[Natethegreat]

No , I am debating he had a great season like some of you claimed. He didn’t. He was OK not great. You have nothing to show except he was double team and his position doesn’t show up in stats

Now he is playing great and his stats show

No one claimed he was having a great season year one. What was being claimed and said was that he was a bust because he wasn't getting sacks, stats, etc.
The answers to those claims were it's really hard to compile stats at that position and he was taking on double teams and making a big difference in rush defense, which he was.
In other words he was doing just fine year one and this year he is playing even better. He made a jump which year 2 players often do.
So maybe stop throwing a fit and calling players a bust if they aren't all pros year one.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And he was a "bust" according to those who are STILL whining about the Hawks drafting him.

Meh, he's playing well, they won their 9th straight road game. Enjoy the win.

 

[Trackhawk]

Not sure why a rookie run stuffer, who spent last year learning pass rush techniques, played in less than 50% of the downs, and was on a line who had the third most pressures off of a 4-man rush, and competed for reps with Leonard Williams would be expected to show much on the pass defense stat sheet. He had a great rookie year, despite limited opportunity.

This year, he has taken a big step at learning to be a pass rusher, is playing closer to 70% of the snaps, on a unit that features a league highest 4-man rush pressure rate, and the stats are coming in.

He's far from a bust, or even a disappointment.

 

[ivotuk]

Nope he is a bust.

IN Canton!

 

[Hawkstud]

Mac's defenses may be known for exotic looks on the backend with multiples of DB's but he knows you need horses in the trenches. This is where there is major payoff for the backend to cause confusion and do their work.

This, the fact that the Seahawks got 7 sacks on Lawrence while no other team was able to do that, should turn on the OHHH, 'Now I Understand what Mac-D is doing with this defense.
Murphy's brute strength is forcing double teams and that's how he's freeing up others to finish.
Plays a big part in getting those hits, pressures and sack numbers.

 

[Hawkpower]

No , I am debating he had a great season like some of you claimed. He didn’t. He was OK not great. You have nothing to show except he was double team and his position doesn’t show up in stats

Now he is playing great and his stats show

I'm not just calling you out here (many do it, including myself sometimes) but I will never understand fans that put their own desire to be right about a draft pick over the success of the player/team, to the point that they spend years nitpicking at that player

There are numerous examples over the years on this board

Once the draft is done, they are hawks and I pull for them in biased and unhinged ways because that's what fans do

My desire to see a different player drafted should go out the window once its done because I am not a GM. I'm a fan

I will take my own advice of course and hopefully all of us can.

Because being critical of Murphy at ANY point in the last 1.3 years is just dumb. The guy is great and I'm glad we have him

 

[Appyhawk]

Yep
He’s a bust, waste of a draft pick

I am one of the few who believes the same will happen with Milroe. You have to give these guys the chance to become who they can be.

 

[MORGULON]

Typical. Fake Crow. As usual

Diet Crow

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I like it ^^^

 

[warden]

My favorite line: I blame fantasy football.

Yes, expectations were too high for Murph in his rookie year. I for one, never really worried because I don't expect a lot from rookies, especially linemen. Very few rookies do that well, but the signs were there. He had a few great and almost great plays along the way, indicating that with some experience and coaching he could develop into something pretty good, if not great.

Even now, it has only been 6 games into his 2nd season. Teams will now try to focus and isolate him, so the next stage starts now. How does he do when other teams start to focus on taking him out of games by scheming around him. He's doing well, we'll see how far he can go and how much he can achieve. It certainly helps that he is in a position group with pretty good depth.

If you focus too much on Murphy, Big cat will tear you apart.

Damn we are getting consistent pressure with just four. Man that is a good thing

 

[warden]

Murphy leads all DTs, in the league, in sacks and pressure.

I don’t think this is a one game wonder that the he is a bust crowd is suggesting