Bevell: "had the look we wanted" on the first 2pt conversion

[Seymour]

Didn't Bevell say Russ went down to the 3rd target on the called progression? If you're upset with who was actually given the opp, I don't think that goes on the playcall.

Nevertheless, you can wring your hands all you want, but there are good options all over the field on this play. The ball is literally thrown to the one place where no one can make a play on it or reasonably draw a foul.

The ball was thrown within 1 second of the snap, you can't make three progressions in 1 s.. It's hard enough for elite QBs to make 3 reads in 3 seconds.

Bevell may be saying that was the 3rd in progression by design. That progression can change once the QB gets to the LOS and possibly 3 became 1 in Wilsons eyes?

 

[NFSeahawks]

RW is pretty poor at quick fade route throws, so I don't understand why we keep running them, it requires the team to run the play perfectly. I still much prefer quick slant throws.

 

[DavidSeven]

Didn't Bevell say Russ went down to the 3rd target on the called progression? If you're upset with who was actually given the opp, I don't think that goes on the playcall.

Nevertheless, you can wring your hands all you want, but there are good options all over the field on this play. The ball is literally thrown to the one place where no one can make a play on it or reasonably draw a foul.

The ball was thrown within 1 second of the snap, you can't make three progressions in 1 s.. It's hard enough for elite QBs to make 3 reads in 3 seconds.

Pre-snap read based on how the defense is lined up.

 

[Hasselbeck]

So lets see the Sb was Lockette not his play call
The beginning of the year it was the oline not his play calling
Now it is Wilson no this play calling

Hmm So just to check
PC takes blame
RW takes blame
Bevel points fingers HMMM

FYI I think Baldwin ran the wrong route, or it was to Kearse and he was to busy whining to the refs to do his job

On this particular play it looks like Kearse is held, but on the night.. Russ was not good at all. The INT to Baldwin was a terrible throw - and had he moved off that progression he would have seen Tyler Lockett dusting by his man by a clear 3 yards.

Also love the irony that the guy that has never criticized Wilson for anything is criticizing a guy for not taking blame :lol:

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I am not debating any of that, except the fact that Bevell has never taken responsibility for anything and I believe that is weighing on the offense and the players. also PC has never been critical of Bevell at all. That is my point. We may never know the truth behind the plays, was it Wilson, l the Wr, the play. But to have 2 players so close together is a bad call. But again no admission form Bevel he did great it was execution. To me execution now means Bevell messed up but we will not admit that

That's because it's not Bevell's place, or any coordinator to criticize himself, the coach or the players...........that's the HC's job.

Watch any coordinator presser, and it's the same thing we see with Bevell.

So not sure what you're expecting. This is Pete's team, it's his job and his job alone to play the blame game. That's why they ALL say the same crap.

"It starts and ends with me"
"I take full responsibility"
"We need to do better"
"we just didn't get it done, no excuses"

Sound familiar? Cause it's EVERY HC losing presser across the country every Monday.

I'm not crazy about Bevell, but IMO this season's woes have far more to do with some really bad mental lapses, miscommunication, awful O-line play, and Russell not playing up to expectations. Bevell's in there somewhere, but he ain't #1, he's down around #4 or #5.

 

[SouthSoundHawk]

Dude is effin' clown shoes.

 

[DavidSeven]

When he says we got the look we wanted, he is likely talking about Graham being singled up on a 5'9 safety, weaker CBs on Baldwin and Lockett, and Peterson lining up on the weakest receiver on the field. I'm going to guess that Graham, Lockett and Baldwin had priority. Russ chose Baldwin, which I don't think is a bad decision since he's actually been good at those back of EZ lobs in the past (not necessarily corner fades). As thrown, however, it was uncatchable.

 

[seahawks08]

The way I would draw this up, is to confuse the defense rather than make it predictable. Make Marshawn be in the middle with a run threat, make WR 1 to go over the left stick, WR2, curl to the middle and WR3 to go to the other stick or the underneath. Have RW scamble out of the pocket. We need to stretch the defense regardless of what the look is. I would have preferred a WR line up at the far end and run inside to clear the corner route. I know it is all hindsight, but we need to confuse the defense in man to man coverage situations and create those mismatches. The 3 people who can create mismatches are RW, Graham and Marshawn, we need to set up plays where this happens.

 

[Anthony!]

So lets see the Sb was Lockette not his play call
The beginning of the year it was the oline not his play calling
Now it is Wilson no this play calling

Hmm So just to check
PC takes blame
RW takes blame
Bevel points fingers HMMM

FYI I think Baldwin ran the wrong route, or it was to Kearse and he was to busy whining to the refs to do his job

On this particular play it looks like Kearse is held, but on the night.. Russ was not good at all. The INT to Baldwin was a terrible throw - and had he moved off that progression he would have seen Tyler Lockett dusting by his man by a clear 3 yards.

Also love the irony that the guy that has never criticized Wilson for anything is criticizing a guy for not taking blame :lol:

well for one I have criticized Wilson, and for 2 Wilson has said a lot he needs to play better, it is on him When will our OC say it?

 

[Siouxhawk]

So lets see the Sb was Lockette not his play call
The beginning of the year it was the oline not his play calling
Now it is Wilson no this play calling

Hmm So just to check
PC takes blame
RW takes blame
Bevel points fingers HMMM

FYI I think Baldwin ran the wrong route, or it was to Kearse and he was to busy whining to the refs to do his job

On this particular play it looks like Kearse is held, but on the night.. Russ was not good at all. The INT to Baldwin was a terrible throw - and had he moved off that progression he would have seen Tyler Lockett dusting by his man by a clear 3 yards.

Also love the irony that the guy that has never criticized Wilson for anything is criticizing a guy for not taking blame :lol:

well for one I have criticized Wilson, and for 2 Wilson has said a lot he needs to play better, it is on him When will our OC say it?

It's not his job to say anything of the such as Sgt. Largent pointed out. Football is a team game and the breakdowns in our losses have been plentiful. We've seen glimpses of progress, so hopefully playing our rival at home will be a good starting block.

 

[Hasselbeck]

So lets see the Sb was Lockette not his play call
The beginning of the year it was the oline not his play calling
Now it is Wilson no this play calling

Hmm So just to check
PC takes blame
RW takes blame
Bevel points fingers HMMM

FYI I think Baldwin ran the wrong route, or it was to Kearse and he was to busy whining to the refs to do his job

On this particular play it looks like Kearse is held, but on the night.. Russ was not good at all. The INT to Baldwin was a terrible throw - and had he moved off that progression he would have seen Tyler Lockett dusting by his man by a clear 3 yards.

Also love the irony that the guy that has never criticized Wilson for anything is criticizing a guy for not taking blame :lol:

well for one I have criticized Wilson, and for 2 Wilson has said a lot he needs to play better, it is on him When will our OC say it?

Why would Bevell criticize himself when Wilson messed up on the throw?

Can you say with a straight face that Wilson played good on Sunday?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

well for one I have criticized Wilson, and for 2 Wilson has said a lot he needs to play better, it is on him When will our OC say it?

Would that be productive and smart for the OC to air out his QB in the press? What purpose does that serve?

The dude's spend hours and hours per day in the film room, I guarantee you Bevell is hard on Russell if he messes up. There's zero reason to criticize your QB as an OC publicly..........even if it does make Anthony all warm and fuzzy.

 

[mrt144]

well for one I have criticized Wilson, and for 2 Wilson has said a lot he needs to play better, it is on him When will our OC say it?

Would that be productive and smart for the OC to air out his QB in the press? What purpose does that serve?

The dude's spend hours and hours per day in the film room, I guarantee you Bevell is hard on Russell if he messes up. There's zero reason to criticize your QB as an OC publicly..........even if it does make Anthony all warm and fuzzy.

I wonder how much RW internalizes that internal criticism and accepts his role as whipping boy. How often does RW deflect?

 

[Optimus25]

Didn't Bevell say Russ went down to the 3rd target on the called progression? If you're upset with who was actually given the opp, I don't think that goes on the playcall.

Nevertheless, you can wring your hands all you want, but there are good options all over the field on this play. The ball is literally thrown to the one place where no one can make a play on it or reasonably draw a foul.

But see, i don't always blame Bevell specifically for SELECTION, but a coach's responsibility rarely ends there. How many times was this play practiced?. How many times in practice was Jimmy as open out of his break as he was here?. Proper coaching would give russ perspective as to who is the primary read in what situation. As I've alluded to in previous posts, kearse should not be a target in these compressed field, man coverage situations. I just almost never see him win the matchup. Even when he gets the space in a bang bang play vs man, i think of the nfccg and balls flying off his hands for picks. It's just not his forte, so if Bevell coached JFG as the read and russ didn't follow thru, my bad. I can only assume it's not coached properly tho, especially since russ basically doesn't acknowledge Jimmy on the field.

 

[Hawks46]

They trade for one of the best Red Zone threats and they throw it to Kearse???

Yeah, nice play call there Bevell. Flippen idiot

And when they threw it to Jimmy what happened on Sunday? Drops.

And the second 2pter went to Graham. Arizona blew it up.

People just want a reason to moan.

That 2pter was on for Kearse but for the clear uncalled hold.

Regardless, Graham was open on that Out route. Problem was, he wasn't WIDE open. Wilson never even looked his way, which means either the play call was never to Graham, or Wilson didn't look to throw him open. That ball goes to the pylon and no way that defender can stop it.

That was Patrick Peterson covering Kearse. Everyone knows he doesn't hold.

It's blatantly ridiculous how bad the officiating was in this game. It's also blatantly biased and I don't see how it can be taken any other way. This is a scoring play, with the field condensed, and no real excuse why it is missed. Just putrid.

 

[DavidSeven]

But see, i don't always blame Bevell specifically for SELECTION, but a coach's responsibility rarely ends there. How many times was this play practiced?. How many times in practice was Jimmy as open out of his break as he was here?. Proper coaching would give russ perspective as to who is the primary read in what situation. As I've alluded to in previous posts, kearse should not be a target in these compressed field, man coverage situations. I just almost never see him win the matchup. Even when he gets the space in a bang bang play vs man, i think of the nfccg and balls flying off his hands for picks. It's just not his forte, so if Bevell coached JFG as the read and russ didn't follow thru, my bad. I can only assume it's not coached properly tho, especially since russ basically doesn't acknowledge Jimmy on the field.

You can coach a guy in the film room and practice field all you want, but at some point, Brandon Weeden isn't Tony Romo, Matt Flynn isn't Aaron Rodgers and Mike Vick isn't Ben Roethlisberger.

All I'm saying with that is that, in today's NFL, the OC doesn't have his hand up the QB's rear controlling everything he does. This is not the Mike Holmgren plug-and-play era of QBs anymore. If it were, the backups mentioned above would make the same decisions that their starting counterparts make. But they don't. Eventually, the QB's own ability to make good decisions, to independently diagnose defenses, and to make all the throws wins out over everything else. Can you make plays with what you're given? Stars do. Flame outs don't. Even within the same systems, we see wild variance. That's why $20M/year is the asking price for guys who can get it done.

 

[mrt144]

But see, i don't always blame Bevell specifically for SELECTION, but a coach's responsibility rarely ends there. How many times was this play practiced?. How many times in practice was Jimmy as open out of his break as he was here?. Proper coaching would give russ perspective as to who is the primary read in what situation. As I've alluded to in previous posts, kearse should not be a target in these compressed field, man coverage situations. I just almost never see him win the matchup. Even when he gets the space in a bang bang play vs man, i think of the nfccg and balls flying off his hands for picks. It's just not his forte, so if Bevell coached JFG as the read and russ didn't follow thru, my bad. I can only assume it's not coached properly tho, especially since russ basically doesn't acknowledge Jimmy on the field.

You can coach a guy in the film room and practice field all you want, but at some point, Brandon Weeden isn't Tony Romo, Matt Flynn isn't Aaron Rodgers and Mike Vick isn't Ben Roethlisberger.

All I'm saying with that is that, in today's NFL, the OC doesn't have his hand up the QB's rear controlling everything he does. This is not the Mike Holmgren plug-and-play era of QBs anymore. If it were, the backups mentioned above would make the same decisions that their starting counterparts make. But they don't. Eventually, the QB's own ability to make good decisions, to independently diagnose defenses, and to make all the throws wins out over everything else. Can you make plays with what you're given? Stars do. Flame outs don't. Even within the same systems, we see wild variance. That's why $20M/year is the asking price for guys who can get it done.

Obviously QBs aren't puppets of the OC but...

How do you explain the turn around of the Bears as outlined by Danny Kelly as solely being the domain of Cutler being 'better'

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/19/9750 ... 1447209417

If one accepts that an OC can do better than previous, why is that not the case in Seattle with Bevell?

Looking at the next 3-4 years, I'd much prefer to see what RW can do with a new OC rather than seeing what Bevell can do with a new QB.

 

[Treghc]

From his presser today.

I seem to remember Wilson heaving a jump ball to a thoroughl blanketed Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse. Don't see how that's an ideal look, especially against ARI's corners.

I might be wrong, though, so does anyone have the all-22 breakdown of the first 2-point conversion attempt?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but when a player or coach refers to a "look" isn't that referring to the matchups immediately before the snap? I don't see how the execution of a play (a jump ball) changes whether they had the right look or not.

DING DING DING
We have a winner.

The presnap reads and looks were what looked right for the play. How the play was executed is an entirely different story and of little (if any) fault to Bevell. The amount of hatred towards Bevell on this forum is utterly sickening.

Guess what... when the players executed and didn't cause penalties, points were scored. Every. Single. Drive. That's not a play calling issue. That's an execution issue. People here need to stop acting like every player we have is a saint, incapable of doing any wrong. Reality is that many players aren't at the level of performance where they should be in order to be meeting these expectations we have of them. The O-line is absolutely horrendous the root of the entire issue. Wilson isn't having a very good year and is missing open receivers, even when he actually sees them and throws to them. Graham is uncharacteristically dropping some pretty easy passes. Lynch has been injured. It's a culmination of many things.

 

[seahawks08]

Pete talked about both conversion attempts, he said both times there was the opportunity to convert, but the execution was poor.

So how is this Bevell's fault.

Russell had arguably his worst game in like 2 years on Sunday, and on both conversion attempts I saw some poor decision making, and on the first one he could have easily thrown it to Kearse or let Graham go up and get it, but threw a bad ball.

The problem I have with this is PC and pretty much everyone always covers for Bevell. Its never his fault when all else fails they say execution. I do not by it, FYI Baldwin was suppose to go to were the ball was, instead he got turned around

Pete will never fault his coaches or players, that's how Pete operates, he would rather blame himself than anyone else. I respect him for that, that doesn't mean as fans we can analyze a play and see why it wouldn't work. Pete in public has never said anything to put his people down and I truly respect that from him.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

People here need to stop acting like every player we have is a saint, incapable of doing any wrong. .

Never said that. Chill out. :mrgreen: