BEST and WORST (trades).

[pmedic920]

In light of the discussion about Ahman Green in the NFL forum, I thought it would be interesting to discuss our opinions of the best and worst trades in Seahawk history.

Probably won’t any of us be far away from each other but the discussion should be fun.

In the Ahman Green thread it was mentioned that his trade might be the worst ever.

IMO it wasn’t, and the Jamal Adams and Max Unger trades were way worse.
Admittedly at the moment the Green trade seemed bad but in retrospect we didn’t end up bad at all as a result.
Shaun Alexander came along and easily filled any void.

Best.
Steve Largent.
I’d love to hear but doubt I will how he wasn’t the best Seahawk trade ever.
It could easily be argued that it ranks in the top all time trades in the entire history of the NFL.

MY #2 would be Marshawn (BEASTMODE) Lynch

#3
Matty H.

My 2 main criteria are…
How did we end up, what did we give up.

In other words, what was the impact of the trades good/bad.

 

[Rat]

Green was Holmgren's worst trade, but the worst trade overall discussion begins and ends with Jamal Adams.

I get why we wanted Adams. The Jets version of him... I was salivating too, but it looks like we got duped while bidding against ourselves. Clearly, Schneider learned from it. Tough lesson to learn though.

 

[Rat]

Remember when we traded Rick Mirer to the Bears for the 13th overall pick? We used it to move up for Shawn Springs while Mirer went 0-5 as a starter for the Bears.

It was the funniest way a team ever used the 13th overall pick until the Rams selected Ty Simpson.

 

[pmedic920]

Green was Holmgren's worst trade, but the worst trade overall discussion begins and ends with Jamal Adams.

I get why we wanted Adams. The Jets version of him... I was salivating too, but it looks like we got duped while bidding against ourselves. Clearly, Schneider learned from it. Tough lesson to learn though.

Here in lays my argument.

Ahman absolutely went on to be an incredible RB, that can’t be argued but…..

He wasn’t all that for us, and we have no idea if he would have.
Aside from that we ended up with Alexander, and we don’t know that we would have had we kept Green. Lots of “what ifs” but ultimately we only gave up a prospect, and we ended up in fantastic shape for the position.

It’s entirely possible that even if we had both, neither would have become what they did.

 

[Rat]

That does make sense, and perhaps moving Green when we did led to better results than if we had kept him. I'm going to copy what I wrote in that other thread though, since we moved the discussion:

Green was an absolute home run hitter. Even at the time, I remember the trade seeming short-sighted. Fumbles can be worked on. The talent was undeniable.

Worked out great for Green obviously, but imagine the one-two punch he and Alexander could have provided behind that OL. May have extended Alexander's career. Maybe one eventually pushes for a trade, but by then we're getting a haul instead of Fred Vinson.

 

[sutz]

The thing about the Green trade that people are not remembering is that we had Ricky Watters at the time and Green was a bit of a luxury, so to speak. Problem is, after we traded Green in 2000, Watters retired the next season, not because he was done, so to speak, but because he was afraid to fly after 9/11. Watters only played 5 games in 2001.

If not for that, the Green trade would not have been such a bad deal.

 

[Trackhawk]

Here in lays my argument.

Ahman absolutely went on to be an incredible RB, that can’t be argued but…..

He wasn’t all that for us, and we have no idea if he would have.
Aside from that we ended up with Alexander, and we don’t know that we would have had we kept Green. Lots of “what ifs” but ultimately we only gave a a prospect, and we ended up in fantastic shape for the position.

It’s entirely possible that even if we had both, neither would have become what they did.

He likely would not have simply due to the fact that the ball control issues he exhibited in the 1998 pre-season continued to plague him throughout his career in Green Bay.

HE needed to play for a coach that would overlook that negative, and focus on all the positive. Holmgren was not that coach. For Holmgren it was ball control above all else, was it not?

Copying from my last post in the other thread..

He fell into Holmgren's famous doghouse after 4 fumbles in the 1998 pre-season. Somewhat ironically, he actually had a decent regular season career in Seattle with 1 fumble in 1998, and 2 in 1999 (one of which was lost), while going on to exhibit problems in Green Bay with an average of 5.8 fumbles per year, with a 4 fumbles lost per year average, in his first five years at Green Bay.

I'm sure his fumbling problem left Holmgren feeling rather vindicated in his decision to part ways.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

There's a lot of really good, and bad trades but Russell Wilson trade has to be the best trade. We got a SB win out of it and many very good starters and foundational pieces for years to come.

 

[CouchLogic]

Losing Unger was the worst, that team never recovered from that. Having that anchor on the line and a huge culture guy traded away for another toy was not a smart move. Those Pete lines/philosophies were complete @$$, so glad that changed.

 

[Rat]

A good and a bad QB trade:

GOOD: We acquired Matt Hasselbeck from the Packers for a 3rd round pick, while moving down from #10 to #17 in the first round. With the 10th pick, the Packers selected DE Jamal Reynolds. With the 17th pick, the Seahawks selected Steve Hutchinson.

BAD: To acquire Charlie Whitehurst, we traded the Chargers a third round pick and moved down 20(!) spots in the second round. Now, don't get me wrong, I heart me some CBJ and I was hyped for that trade at the time, but it retrospect, it seems crazy that we got into a bidding war with the Cardinals for the Chargers' third-string QB, who had only taken two career SNAPS (both kneel-downs).

 

[RolandDeschain]

If it counts to list a player we traded away in terms of ROI we got for it...then Joey Galloway and Russell Wilson, lol.

 

[SeahawkSteve80]

Best: Marshawn Lynch

Worst: Percy Harvin

 

[SocialParasite]

If we're talking trades in the general sense, best is Russell Wilson and worst is Max Unger.

 

[kidhawk]

I can’t say it’s the best trade ever but needs to be in the discussion. Without Shaheed last year I don’t know that we win a superbowl.

 

[Rat]

Yeah, I would disregard everything I said about Green. For some reason, I had it in my head that he was drafted after Watters was gone and we already had Alexander. I guess that doesn't make sense. I'm stupid. And old.

 

[pmedic920]

There's a lot of really good, and bad trades but Russell Wilson trade has to be the best trade. We got a SB win out of it and many very good starters and foundational pieces for years to come.

What we got via the Wilson trade combined with what we off loaded gets it certainly making my top few list.
It absolutely doesn’t override Largent and Lynch in my book however.

 

[pmedic920]

Best: Marshawn Lynch

Worst: Percy Harvin

I’m going to guess that you’re young enough that you missed out on the Steve Largent era?

If not put down the pipe, for your own good

 

[Rat]

I dont get the Largent trade. How did an 8th-round pick get us a guy who had just been selected with a fourth round pick? He hadn't even played for them yet. That's some insanely fast depreciation of an asset.

 

[pmedic920]

Losing Unger was the worst, that team never recovered from that. Having that anchor on the line and a huge culture guy traded away for another toy was not a smart move. Those Pete lines/philosophies were complete @$$, so glad that changed.

I truly contribute the ultimate decline of #3 to the loss of Unger. Least it was the beginning with multiple other contributing factors.

That single move changed so many things, some obviously, others intangible.

Still doesn’t eclipse the J. Adams thing on my list.

 

[pmedic920]

I dont get the Largent trade. How did an 8th-round pick get us a guy who had just been selected with a fourth round pick? He hadn't even played for them yet. That's some insanely fast depreciation of an asset.

I live in the Houston area.
Oiler fans are still pissed about it.

Lol