Are we going to talk about it?

[HagFaithful]

Earl Thomas and the Hall of Fame? As a Seahawk? This is weirder than the Kenny Easley situation from years ago.

 

[bigskydoc]

Earl Thomas and the Hall of Fame? As a Seahawk? This is weirder than the Kenny Easley situation from years ago.

8 former Seahawks nominated for HoF 2025.

On the modern era list. Oddly, only from 2 positions. 4 at Running Back, 3 at Safety. Shaun Alexander, Marshawn Lynch, Chris Warren, Ricky Watters, Kam Chancellor, Eugene Robinson, and Earl Thomas...

www.seahawks.net

We are

 

[MORGULON]

I think I'm confused as to what the criteria is to get into the HOF. Each of those players had good careers , maybe great. I'm not sure if I see all of them as Hall of Fame worthy though.

 

[Mick063]

Any Seahawk players that have found enough external support to make the nomination list DESERVE our full-throated support to cross the finish line. Any and all of them. Part of the reason why national punditry virtually ignores the Seahawks is because of the perceived, dismal self-loathing by a vocal minority of fans. It truly is pathetic. It is sickening and a betrayal to those players that gave our fan base the prime years of their career. Especially because it damages the franchise legacy as much as the player legacy. You might hate the player, but why do you hate the franchise? Because it seems apparent that you hate the franchise as well. This is not the definition of "fan", it is the definition of troll.

These are players that have made enough impact to influence the nomination process, and are then stabbed in the back by self-important, self-centered "fans". We make it easy for national punditry to ignore us. We give them a very plausible excuse. If we don't like building our team legacy, then why should they? There is a long list of other players and fan bases that will greatly appreciate our collective neglect of the team legacy building process. Getting their players in at the expense of ours. We apparently work very hard to make the Seahawks an irrelevant franchise. Perhaps the next owner will notice this, and that will weigh in on a decision to move the team to an area that actually wants to build franchise legacy. After all, the owner lives vicariously through the team legacy that they have built. Why would they feel any obligation to a fan base that contradicts it? A fan base that searches for reasons to marginalize it.

There are no distinct criteria for player admission once nominated. There are no disqualifiers once nominated. Those thresholds were crossed once the nomination was concluded. The preliminary filtering has already occurred. Now, there is only perceived support that is very influential for final inclusion, and after all, this is only a beauty contest. Nothing more. It is not just alright, but normal to expect that Seahawk fans support every Seahawk nominee to get in. In fact, the alternative is sickening betrayal. You can self-loath to your heart's desire, but please don't bring it here. Please don't throw a wet blanket over the fine careers of externally nominated former players that wore the Seahawk blue. At that point, they have checked every box for inclusion only to find that some self-important "fans" have rationalized and influenced the final box not to be checked.

 

[LeveeBreak]

Life's too short. They all have my support.

 

[SmokinHawk]

Fans should support every Seahawk that gets a shot at the hall.

 

[AROS]

I'm all for Lynch and ET getting in if for no other reason than to get my popcorn and beverage ready and enjoy the insane speeches.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

On an unrelated note, it's crazy how quickly Russell Wilson crashed and burned any HOF chances once he left the seahawks. I think he was borderline with his Seattle career, passer rating stats, a ring etc and basically changed the trajectory for smaller QB's to get drafted. His Broncos career absolutely nuked that

 

[bileever]

Earl Thomas went all-Russell Wilson before Russ did. He rebelled against Pete, claimed he was worth more than the Seahawks were willing to pay, and then later learned the hard way that other coaches were a lot less tolerant than Pete.

Plus Earl went off the deep end in his personal life. At least Russ hasn't been held at gunpoint by his wife while with another woman yet.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Earl Thomas went all-Russell Wilson before Russ did. He rebelled against Pete, claimed he was worth more than the Seahawks were willing to pay, and then later learned the hard way that other coaches were a lot less tolerant than Pete.

Plus Earl went off the deep end in his personal life. At least Russ hasn't been held at gunpoint by his wife while with another woman yet.

ET lost me at:

Sell job to the Cowboys locker room attempt during our game.

The finger.

The stupid and bizarre hotel room incident when his wife tried to shoot him for banging that one in the hotel room. C'mon man.

Meh. Whatever. Did like his highlight reel tho. But then again, I've never been able to separate my view of a player's character from their performance on the field/fandom worthiness. So probably just me.

 

[Rat]

Earl Thomas went all-Russell Wilson before Russ did. He rebelled against Pete, claimed he was worth more than the Seahawks were willing to pay, and then later learned the hard way that other coaches were a lot less tolerant than Pete.

Weird how Kam always escapes criticism for his holdouts, but other players are selfish for trying to maximize their worth.

 

[bileever]

Weird how Kam always escapes criticism for his holdouts, but other players are selfish for trying to maximize their worth.

I don't hold it against any player for trying to get his money. But Earl went pretty far with his public criticism of the Seahawks regime, and made it so it was impossible for the Seahawks to keep him.

And he wasn't underpaid by the Seahawks by any means. When he signed his contract extension in 2014, he became the highest paid safety in NFL history, getting $10 million per year for 4 years, which at that time was a lot for a safety.

If you recall, the 2018 holdout by Thomas was kooky, complete with a long rant on The Player's Tribune where he said that he was holding out because "the Seahawks aren't honoring my contract," which made no sense since he was the one holding out, and the Seahawks would have been happy to have him play for $10 million a year. What made Earl mad was that in 2018, Eric Berry and Devin McCourty got contracts that paid them more than Earl, and Earl wanted to be the highest paid safety. And there was a good chance he would have gotten that from the Seahawks eventually, but Earl made it so it became untenable, making public requests for the Cowboys to sign him and then giving Pete the finger after breaking his leg.

Earl did get his contract, $55 million for 4 years ($13.75 million per year) from the Ravens, but he was cut after one year (of pretty mediocre performance) after fighting with a teammate at practice. (The team had a players' meeting and essentially voted him off the island, if I remember correctly.) The Ravens argued that he violated the conduct clause of his contract and refused to pay him. They eventually settled for $1.5 million, so Earl never got his money. No other team would sign him.

 

[AROS]

Yeah there was a lot of unsavory moments I didn’t care for from ET but that treasonous bullshit he pulled in the Cowboys locker room after that game was the last straw for me. Unforgivable.

 

[MORGULON]

Any Seahawk players that have found enough external support to make the nomination list DESERVE our full-throated support to cross the finish line. Any and all of them. Part of the reason why national punditry virtually ignores the Seahawks is because of the perceived, dismal self-loathing by a vocal minority of fans. It truly is pathetic. It is sickening and a betrayal to those players that gave our fan base the prime years of their career. Especially because it damages the franchise legacy as much as the player legacy. You might hate the player, but why do you hate the franchise? Because it seems apparent that you hate the franchise as well. This is not the definition of "fan", it is the definition of troll.

These are players that have made enough impact to influence the nomination process, and are then stabbed in the back by self-important, self-centered "fans". We make it easy for national punditry to ignore us. We give them a very plausible excuse. If we don't like building our team legacy, then why should they? There is a long list of other players and fan bases that will greatly appreciate our collective neglect of the team legacy building process. Getting their players in at the expense of ours. We apparently work very hard to make the Seahawks an irrelevant franchise. Perhaps the next owner will notice this, and that will weigh in on a decision to move the team to an area that actually wants to build franchise legacy. After all, the owner lives vicariously through the team legacy that they have built. Why would they feel any obligation to a fan base that contradicts it? A fan base that searches for reasons to marginalize it.

There are no distinct criteria for player admission once nominated. There are no disqualifiers once nominated. Those thresholds were crossed once the nomination was concluded. The preliminary filtering has already occurred. Now, there is only perceived support that is very influential for final inclusion, and after all, this is only a beauty contest. Nothing more. It is not just alright, but normal to expect that Seahawk fans support every Seahawk nominee to get in. In fact, the alternative is sickening betrayal. You can self-loath to your heart's desire, but please don't bring it here. Please don't throw a wet blanket over the fine careers of externally nominated former players that wore the Seahawk blue. At that point, they have checked every box for inclusion only to find that some self-important "fans" have rationalized and influenced the final box not to be checked.

I don't see what you're seeing.
This has always been a place where fans come to discuss open and freely . For you to question someone's fandom for not screaming full throated support for a HOF nominee seems somewhat presumptuous.

If any Seahawk gets in the HOF I'll be happy . I just don't think the people who decide are on .NET

 

[knownone]

Weird how Kam always escapes criticism for his holdouts, but other players are selfish for trying to maximize their worth.

Kam rarely made his feelings public. He handled business as expected, so there wasn't much to complain about, even if you thought he was selfish. That's the biggest issue for guys like ET or Sherm. They'd be just as revered if they handled off-field drama like Kam. The only exception is Marshawn, who, by all accounts, was an absolute nightmare to manage and whom fans almost universally side with because he's so loveable.

So, fair or unfair, personality plays a significant role.

 

[slateman77]

Lynch is a one of a kind dude. The mold was broke after he arrived. Such a unique individual I just can't see how anyone could not like him. The stay in your lane and protect your chicken could only come from Beastmode..!! Now ET was pretty damn incredible safety who could cover a huge part of the field with his heat seeking missile approach and how many punched out fumbles did he cause.?? I remember when he first came to Seattle and sat out on the streets and offered free safety advise. It was hysterical because hardly anyone knew who he was. Maybe he took too many hits to the noggin, I don't know but man did his career spiral out of control. The cowboys thing and the finger were it for me but because of what he did for the Hawks I would support his inclusion into the HOF. Thanks for the memories Earl but why did you have to go to another planet ??

 

[Ozzy]

On an unrelated note, it's crazy how quickly Russell Wilson crashed and burned any HOF chances once he left the seahawks. I think he was borderline with his Seattle career, passer rating stats, a ring etc and basically changed the trajectory for smaller QB's to get drafted. His Broncos career absolutely nuked that

His resume should still get him in. Look at all the QB’s and he still deserves it

 

[Torc]

Any Seahawk players that have found enough external support to make the nomination list DESERVE our full-throated support to cross the finish line. Any and all of them. Part of the reason why national punditry virtually ignores the Seahawks is because of the perceived, dismal self-loathing by a vocal minority of fans. It truly is pathetic. It is sickening and a betrayal to those players that gave our fan base the prime years of their career. Especially because it damages the franchise legacy as much as the player legacy. You might hate the player, but why do you hate the franchise? Because it seems apparent that you hate the franchise as well. This is not the definition of "fan", it is the definition of troll.

These are players that have made enough impact to influence the nomination process, and are then stabbed in the back by self-important, self-centered "fans". We make it easy for national punditry to ignore us. We give them a very plausible excuse. If we don't like building our team legacy, then why should they? There is a long list of other players and fan bases that will greatly appreciate our collective neglect of the team legacy building process. Getting their players in at the expense of ours. We apparently work very hard to make the Seahawks an irrelevant franchise. Perhaps the next owner will notice this, and that will weigh in on a decision to move the team to an area that actually wants to build franchise legacy. After all, the owner lives vicariously through the team legacy that they have built. Why would they feel any obligation to a fan base that contradicts it? A fan base that searches for reasons to marginalize it.

There are no distinct criteria for player admission once nominated. There are no disqualifiers once nominated. Those thresholds were crossed once the nomination was concluded. The preliminary filtering has already occurred. Now, there is only perceived support that is very influential for final inclusion, and after all, this is only a beauty contest. Nothing more. It is not just alright, but normal to expect that Seahawk fans support every Seahawk nominee to get in. In fact, the alternative is sickening betrayal. You can self-loath to your heart's desire, but please don't bring it here. Please don't throw a wet blanket over the fine careers of externally nominated former players that wore the Seahawk blue. At that point, they have checked every box for inclusion only to find that some self-important "fans" have rationalized and influenced the final box not to be checked.

There's a flip side to this. If every player who gets nominated gets 100% full-throated backing from the fans, then we'll be ignored even more. At that point we're just a bunch of homers, a loud buzzing sound to be disregarded in the national conversation. If Jim Zorn got nominated, I'd be thrilled, but for me to expect him to get in when there are so many other more worthy candidates at his position would be nuts. Regardless of how much he means to the franchise and me as a fan.

It is entirely reasonable for a forum of fans to attempt to analyze how the voters will see each of the Seahawk candidates. We're PREDICTING, not withholding our support.

 

[SeaofGreen]

His play was HOF Caliber. How much does "off the field" stuff affect getting into the HOF? Is there any written criteria from the hall on this? I know there is the personal conduct stuff for guys in the league.
I was pissed with the "come get me" bit from Earl to the cowboys but honestly as a guy that has made some colorful departures from jobs the finger from ET never really bothered me, it was an emotional moment that I could understand and relate to.
I think being a team player should mean something in the ultimate team sport so to me the Ravens drama is a bad look for Earl.

 

[projectorfreak]

Funny enough i really think that if russ retired instead of pushing his way to the broncos he would have a better chance of getting a jacket but that's where the off the field personal conception/connection/relatability which his cornball style , last couple years of play made it hard to relate to potentially costing his LEGACY to be tarnished and not set in stone
Earl went kinda nuts , great seahawks player but just another case where I say man , how much is cte really a thing that some of these guys don't checked but probably have in spades
Kinda feel for the guy cuz somethin ain't right
So I guess I know why the nfl doesn't have players checked for cte , protect the shield but man they should , that would actually make them look better in lotsa peoples eyes