adeltaY":3iqzbdpm said:Seymour":3iqzbdpm said:Spin Doctor":3iqzbdpm said:You just glossed over everything I said. I said at first glace he looks like the model of consistency, but when you go at look at his game on a quarter by quarter basis things start falling apart. Last season he threw for almost as many INT as TDs, and had two quarters below 60 percent completion in his first three quarters. This has largely been the case throughout his career save for 2015. THAT is inconsistency and this is something that is unique to Russ. The likes of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc do not have this kind of struggle.Milehighhawk":3iqzbdpm said:Wilson is only second highest all time in QB Rating, but is “wildly inconsistent”. Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense.
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The rope a dope style of play is not ideal. I'm not saying he is a bad QB, I'm saying there is still more room for improvement. I'm also saying implying that he needs to start thinking about evolving his style as he ages.
Dude you need to check your "facts". If you want to be taken serious you should get the facts straight about your teams starting QB. Last season Wilson had 34 TD and 11 ints. Nowhere near "almost as many". :roll:
You wanna throw out stuff like that then we may as well scratch the entire post as far as I'm concerned.
He's talking about the first three quarters in 2017, Seymour, not Wilson's overall stats for the year.
Seymour":1f1uqlyu said:adeltaY":1f1uqlyu said:Seymour":1f1uqlyu said:Spin Doctor":1f1uqlyu said:You just glossed over everything I said. I said at first glace he looks like the model of consistency, but when you go at look at his game on a quarter by quarter basis things start falling apart. Last season he threw for almost as many INT as TDs, and had two quarters below 60 percent completion in his first three quarters. This has largely been the case throughout his career save for 2015. THAT is inconsistency and this is something that is unique to Russ. The likes of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc do not have this kind of struggle.
The rope a dope style of play is not ideal. I'm not saying he is a bad QB, I'm saying there is still more room for improvement. I'm also saying implying that he needs to start thinking about evolving his style as he ages.
Dude you need to check your "facts". If you want to be taken serious you should get the facts straight about your teams starting QB. Last season Wilson had 34 TD and 11 ints. Nowhere near "almost as many". :roll:
You wanna throw out stuff like that then we may as well scratch the entire post as far as I'm concerned.
He's talking about the first three quarters in 2017, Seymour, not Wilson's overall stats for the year.
Even the first 3 quarters is 15 to 10. Not exactly "almost as many" at +50%. :177692: People that exaggerate or distort the facts to prove their point lose the argument in my book.
Yeah, it is. I often time forget to proof read my post before commenting.adeltaY":gsrpm0a6 said:I think he just got mixed up with his wording. In the first two quarters, wilson had 8 TD and 6 INT - that's what he was looking at. I don't think he was intentionally making anything up.
Popeyejones":3fkf1so1 said:onanygivensunday":3fkf1so1 said:Read in a recent article that Schotty wants him to stop and survey the field at the end of his drop back.
Huh? Hope he didn’t say that because it has been decades since NFL offenses have worked like that.
I’m generally against messing with QBs mechanics.
Spin Doctor":47mxw4cm said:I want a QB that is consistent, that is what all of this work that Schottenheimer is doing with him is all about. Consistency. Something that Russ has severely lacked. Last season he was legendary in the fourth quarter, but he was horrid in every other. In his first three quarters last season he threw almost as many picks, as touchdowns, and in 2/4 of the quarters he completed less than 60 percent of his passes. In the first quarter it is particularly bad at 57 percent. Our offenses inability to produce until the last quarter was a huge issue last season. Did the lack of a running game, and line play a part? Absolutely. Did Russ play a part in that as well? You betcha.mrt144":47mxw4cm said:Spin Doctor":47mxw4cm said:Duane got in Russ's face on several occasions last season. As I keep saying, Russ makes Duane's job really hard to do. He really needs to work on his pocket movement to bring his game up to the next level.toffee":47mxw4cm said:I read that Duane Brown was shouting at Russ after one play a few days ago. Between Duane and Doug, one can assume that Russ had some issues, hoping with help from teammates and new OC, Russ can improve.
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And what if he doesn't? Better flush RW and keep everyone else and just hope you hit on whatever replacement you cobble together despite the trail of sorrow left by the vast majority of QBs who enter the league? Better hope you didn't whiff on nearly every RB since Marshawn left, been stingy with retaining WRs, been comically inept with OL talent, somehow misuse a player and lose that players head when he was a bonafide stud when playing in an offensive scheme that were suited to their talents...
He's already in the 90th percentile of QBs by almost any metric of your choosing. So you want specific instance betterness in like 5-10% of plays run? We all do but my goodness you're pining for a QB that hits like 80% of their attempts (and no points for throwing screens here)
Russell Wilson does not know how to manipulate the pocket, and his footwork can get sloppy a times even with no pressure. His default is to back pedal, which makes the job of any lineman significantly harder. The reason why stepping up into the pocket is a thing, is it allows lineman to use the momentum of an edge rusher against them. One of the fundamental techniques is redirection. With Russ at QB that is not an option most of the time. Now --- he is able to get away with this when most QB's wouldn't because he is one of the most elusive QB's to ever put on cleats. He also has the uncanny ability to throw accurately from strange positions. Russ is the only QB that could get away with back peddling.
So why does it matter if its been working for him might you ask? Russ's style is feast or famine. He'll pop off, and get long bomb after long bomb, or he will not be able to get out of his own way, and miss open receivers because his back is to them. Schottenheimer is trying to find a way to intermingle Russ's unique abilities with traditional QB play. This is an evolution he will have to make if he plans on playing in the league for an extended duration. We got a taste of what this looks like in 2015. I have no doubts in my mind that he could look like that every year if he refined his quarterback play.
The scary thing is, Russell Wilson is still very rough around the edges. Imagine what he could be if he is ever able to refine his game? Brady who?
Other QB's have done it, QB's that made a name for themselves as mobile Quarterbacks even. The one season he really focused in on that aspect of his game he was at his best. It is a skill that doesn't degrade with age, or injury.NINEster":ryikapnm said:Spin Doctor":ryikapnm said:I want a QB that is consistent, that is what all of this work that Schottenheimer is doing with him is all about. Consistency. Something that Russ has severely lacked. Last season he was legendary in the fourth quarter, but he was horrid in every other. In his first three quarters last season he threw almost as many picks, as touchdowns, and in 2/4 of the quarters he completed less than 60 percent of his passes. In the first quarter it is particularly bad at 57 percent. Our offenses inability to produce until the last quarter was a huge issue last season. Did the lack of a running game, and line play a part? Absolutely. Did Russ play a part in that as well? You betcha.mrt144":ryikapnm said:Spin Doctor":ryikapnm said:Duane got in Russ's face on several occasions last season. As I keep saying, Russ makes Duane's job really hard to do. He really needs to work on his pocket movement to bring his game up to the next level.
And what if he doesn't? Better flush RW and keep everyone else and just hope you hit on whatever replacement you cobble together despite the trail of sorrow left by the vast majority of QBs who enter the league? Better hope you didn't whiff on nearly every RB since Marshawn left, been stingy with retaining WRs, been comically inept with OL talent, somehow misuse a player and lose that players head when he was a bonafide stud when playing in an offensive scheme that were suited to their talents...
He's already in the 90th percentile of QBs by almost any metric of your choosing. So you want specific instance betterness in like 5-10% of plays run? We all do but my goodness you're pining for a QB that hits like 80% of their attempts (and no points for throwing screens here)
Russell Wilson does not know how to manipulate the pocket, and his footwork can get sloppy a times even with no pressure. His default is to back pedal, which makes the job of any lineman significantly harder. The reason why stepping up into the pocket is a thing, is it allows lineman to use the momentum of an edge rusher against them. One of the fundamental techniques is redirection. With Russ at QB that is not an option most of the time. Now --- he is able to get away with this when most QB's wouldn't because he is one of the most elusive QB's to ever put on cleats. He also has the uncanny ability to throw accurately from strange positions. Russ is the only QB that could get away with back peddling.
So why does it matter if its been working for him might you ask? Russ's style is feast or famine. He'll pop off, and get long bomb after long bomb, or he will not be able to get out of his own way, and miss open receivers because his back is to them. Schottenheimer is trying to find a way to intermingle Russ's unique abilities with traditional QB play. This is an evolution he will have to make if he plans on playing in the league for an extended duration. We got a taste of what this looks like in 2015. I have no doubts in my mind that he could look like that every year if he refined his quarterback play.
The scary thing is, Russell Wilson is still very rough around the edges. Imagine what he could be if he is ever able to refine his game? Brady who?
Old habits die hard.
Stick with what works. 161 TD passes in 6 seasons without great pocket presence?
Don't change a thing.
Not a chance bro. The Griffen family and all of central Florida has moved in. :sarcasm_off:SpokaneHawks":1x7d4rao said:Baldwin's always been outspoken and when things arent going well he let's it be known. That's OK, it's his way of motivating the offense. As far as the fans that throw shade at Wilson and call him inconsistent, Where were you before the Russell Wilson era? And, do you actually watch football? Russ's slow starts and miraculous comebacks are legendary and designed that way! Pete's entire coaching philosophy revolves around keeping it close and having a chance at the end. Guess what? It's worked more often than not! The seahawks are the second or third most successful team since like 2012. That's pretty good company! Jesus, I hope the bandwagon clears out soon so I can get tickets in lower level seats again.
Spin Doctor":3fhj0u0e said:The main thing I'm getting at here is that what Schottenheimer is preaching is just what Russ needs to take the next step as a player. It is something that has been overlooked by Bevell, and our QB coach. It will make him more consistent, and public enemy number one in the NFL. I'm already seeing some dividends even in one preseason game.
toffee":3oidvtvz said:Wilson '15-'17 Quarter by Quarter. Our Russ's TD > Int in all quarters, our Russ excelled in 4th, downright superman in 4th within 7 points. Come to think of it, '17 may be one of his finest year, playing with zero running game and an difunctional OL.
mikeak":1qs6y5ya said:I ignore the last few words in Doug's statement and interpret it as
How good we could have been if people that are paid to work with players actually did their freaking job and taught him how to take things to the next level. Then RW would have been able to do so and we would have been way better
I don't read it as anything against RW. He is just stating that RW didn't follow some basic fundamentals which is interesting because all we heard is how much film he watched. Well if the coaches and the players aren't on the same page it doesn't translate to improvements
Russ Willstrong":18gajvl7 said:I read this as Doug just full of himself. Laying another egg for attention. That's all!! He never spoke to why he started the fight with Percy either.
A clean pocket will do wonders for a QB.nrayorr":x6spwwah said:I do think he had a better stance and stood his ground with exception to a couple of plays where he ran the ball himself. Overall he did well.