And in other news... Shane Waldron (fired)

[knownone]

Williams showing the inaccuracy that was noticed in college. He definitely has missed guys by wide margins. His issue was the hype and contract issues he tried to force...he isn't living up to any of it.

This.

Williams can't hit wide-open receivers. He's 10% under his expected completion percentage and is currently the least efficient quarterback in the league, which is saying something, considering Bryce Young is in that sample.

Waldron may be part of the problem, but the numbers indicate Williams is the problem. He's been awful.

 

[chris98251]

No Rookie QB has thrown a TD yet this season after 2 games, not sure if it's the current product coming into the league or lack of camp time and hitting that is stunting them. I can see one in a bad offense of team, but all of them?

 

[Cyrus12]

He is a rookie in his second game. Stuff like that will be worked out over time. It doesn’t all happen instantly.

If the offense is still floundering after the OL is (hopefully and finally) fixed by Poles next year, then I would fire Eberflus and his staff and start over. But if Bears win 7-8 games this year, Warren might fire them all and I will definitely lose the $160 I bet on over 8.5 wins.

Just saying it was a flaw noted in college. Also I agree they need to fire the works.

 

[JPatera76]

Fields tearing it up? He's had a 156 yard passing game with no TD's and a 117 yard game with 1 TD. They've beaten the Falcons and Broncos and scored 18 and 13 points in those efforts.

Maybe Waldron does suck, but he is dealing with a rookie QB and a horrid Oline. Williams was sacked 7 times against the Texans. Hard to get anything going with that kind of pressure. Its worse than what we have in Seattle right now.

What his record currently with Steelers compared to Williams? Thats all that matters. 2-0

 

[Bear-Hawk]

This.

Williams can't hit wide-open receivers. He's 10% under his expected completion percentage and is currently the least efficient quarterback in the league, which is saying something, considering Bryce Young is in that sample.

Waldron may be part of the problem, but the numbers indicate Williams is the problem. He's been awful.

If you spent less time looking at statistics and more time looking at Bears games, you’d have a different impression. Mahomes would have struggled and missed targets with rushers flying in his face from all directions.

The next three games are the soft part of the schedule. We should be able to run the ball on these teams, and that will help. Need to get Keenan Allen back. It will get better…..please Lord!!

 

[Spin Doctor]

I don’t think the issue is necessarily Williams fault.

They’re running long developing plays and empty sets with an offensive line that make ours look like all pros.

It’s hard to get a fair assessment on Williams due to the line play and play calls they are running. The bears are setting their guy up for failure.

 

[IndyHawk]

Maybe Wright will get it together in year #3 like Cross, but Cross has only 2 games on the resume in 2024. I will be sold if he’s still there after 17 games. He was less than spectacular in 2022 and 2023.

I agree on JSN. I believe Waldron has noticed, and he’s going to use Keenan Allen like the Seahawks are (now) using JSN. That’s the least of our problems, until the OL is fixed. Everything else pales by comparison.

BH, you will see the light eventually because Waldron sucks period.
Your QB is NOT a pocket QB, he's a one read pull it and either runs
out of pocket to create or just tries to take off.
Your not going to find an OL for that type nah, been there, done and seen
that type.
Also talking heads in the booth clearly agreed that Caleb does not have
the speed to be running around in the NFL.
You keep going ahead and making excuses for him but you'll instead see me
in a year or two asking if your "done" yet?

 

[Bear-Hawk]

BH, you will see the light eventually because Waldron sucks period.
Your QB is NOT a pocket QB, he's a one read pull it and either runs
out of pocket to create or just tries to take off.
Your not going to find an OL for that type nah, been there, done and seen
that type.
Also talking heads in the booth clearly agreed that Caleb does not have
the speed to be running around in the NFL.
You keep going ahead and making excuses for him but you'll instead see me
in a year or two asking if your "done" yet?

I do not have any prediction on any of this. You might be right. Right now, I’ll settle for a center and right guard who can block somebody.

 

[knownone]

If you spent less time looking at statistics and more time looking at Bears games, you’d have a different impression. Mahomes would have struggled and missed targets with rushers flying in his face from all directions.

The next three games are the soft part of the schedule. We should be able to run the ball on these teams, and that will help. Need to get Keenan Allen back. It will get better…..please Lord!!

I watched most of the first and all of the second game. My impression matches the numbers. I'm not saying this is who Caleb will be, but he's been terrible through two games. It's not all coaching or the offensive line. And not to bring more stats into the discussion, but Mahomes is actually under pressure slightly more often than Williams. The difference is he's near the top of the league against pressure, whereas Caleb is dead last. Similarly, Mahomes is one of the best in the league from a clean pocket, and Williams is again among the worst.

We'll see how the next three games go.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

The Chicago fans I know are still in denial. 'The oline is bad' is the excuse. Cue me telling them it was and still is bad here in Seattle yet our current OC can adjust.

 

[pittpnthrs]

What his record currently with Steelers compared to Williams? Thats all that matters. 2-0

Lol. Yeah the Steelers are a better team than the Bears. It's hardly Fields 'tearing it up' though.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Come on Pitt, you know by now WHY people would say he's "tearing it up"

 

[Bear-Hawk]

I watched most of the first and all of the second game. My impression matches the numbers. I'm not saying this is who Caleb will be, but he's been terrible through two games. It's not all coaching or the offensive line. And not to bring more stats into the discussion, but Mahomes is actually under pressure slightly more often than Williams. The difference is he's near the top of the league against pressure, whereas Caleb is dead last. Similarly, Mahomes is one of the best in the league from a clean pocket, and Williams is again among the worst.

We'll see how the next three games go.

Williams is a rookie in his second pro game. If the OL holds up even half-decently the next 3 game, I think the Bears win. One of the things that is pretty much agreed in Bears World is that Williams needs to do a better job of reading blitzes and knowing where to throw. That’s what Mahomes knows and Williams is still learning. That will develop with more NFL experience. This offensive line is a different story. Poles keeps thinking he can find a cheap solution. We’re into year #3 and it’s WORSE than when he arrived.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Is already drawing the ire of Bears fans. Apparently they were abysmal on 3rd down, running 1st down empty sets, and inexplicably choosing not to run in favor of just tossing the ball around... on TE bubble screens.

Sound familiar? Let the debate end about whether the dude was part of the problem last year or not be put to rest.

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Love it when our demons are cast off to torment someone else...

Huh. And when Waldron started with his 'plan' - I thought it was PC holding him back from executing.

I was wrong. He just sucks apparently.

 

[keasley45]

Huh. And when Waldron started with his 'plan' - I thought it was PC holding him back from executing.

I was wrong. He just sucks apparently.

Yup.

Id wager the waldron hire went something like this:

Phone rings in the '20 offseason after we lose to the Rams in the wildcard...

Russ camp: Russell isnt happy with the offense and isnt going to be shy about it. We want a new coordinator.

Pete and John : we could have done more with what we had. Brian S. Sees room for improvement.

Russ Camp: No. Brian isnt innovative enough. We need explosiveness. We need something ala KC, SF, Rams... the McVay way. We want that for Russ and like i said, Russ is taking his frustration public until a change is made. And Russ wants a say in who comes in.

Pete on the phone with Schotty : Brian, we need you to consider being more explosive on offense.

Schotty: Seriously? We arent running the offense we have. Now you want me to modify what im doing to be 'more explosive'? If it was run the right way it would be plenty explosive. We dont need to change the plays, we need to run the plays.

Pete and John: so you are saying you wont do it?... ok, well Russ is trashing the team, calling out the O... me, you... we have to do something.

Schotty: Im not doing anything. You want different plays called, get someone else to call them.

Pete: understood. I think we will have to move on then. Thanks for everything. We will make a statement citing philiosphical differences as the reason for moving on. Ill give you whatever reference you need.

Schotty: Thanks and good luck.


Pete and John back on the phone with Russ's camp:

Ok. Schotty is out. Who do you have in mind?

Russ's camp: Somebody from McVay's inner circle. They embarrased us in thr playoffs with a scrub throwing the ball. Get whoever is helping draw up their stuff.

Pete and John : ok. We made some calls. The only guy at the board with Sean is this guy Shane Waldron. He hasnt done anything. He doesnt scheme the offense. We just know he works with Mcvay to design plays and put together gameplans. No other experience. We can put him on thr list but there are a few other candidates we think we want to bring in

Russ camp: no. He's the guy. Russ can work with him to create the plays and scheme on sunday. Russ has the experience to fill in what he doesnt know. We dont need another 'experienced' oc trying to tell Russ how to play. .

Pete : ok. If wr bring him in, Russ is good?

Russ camp : yeah.

And voila, Waldron is our OC and given full autonomy to craft the offense with Russ.

A year later, Russ is out and Shane goes on a 3 year skid on the road from offensive coordonator in the NFL, to soon-to-be passing game coordinator again... if he's lucky.

He was never qualified. He was a forced hire to appease RW3.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Yup.

Id wager the waldron hire went something like this:

Phone rings in the '20 offseason after we lose to the Rams in the wildcard...

Russ camp: Russell isnt happy with the offense and isnt going to be shy about it. We want a new coordinator.

Pete and John : we could have done more with what we had. Brian S. Sees room for improvement.

Russ Camp: No. Brian isnt innovative enough. We need explosiveness. We need something ala KC, SF, Rams... the McVay way. We want that for Russ and like i said, Russ is taking his frustration public until a change is made. And Russ wants a say in who comes in.

Pete on the phone with Schotty : Brian, we need you to consider being more explosive on offense.

Schotty: Seriously? We arent running the offense we have. Now you want me to modify what im doing to be 'more explosive'? If it was run the right way it would be plenty explosive. We dont need to change the plays, we need to run the plays.

Pete and John: so you are saying you wont do it?... ok, well Russ is trashing the team, calling out the O... me, you... we have to do something.

Schotty: Im not doing anything. You want different plays called, get someone else to call them.

Pete: understood. I think we will have to move on then. Thanks for everything. We will make a statement citing philiosphical differences as the reason for moving on. Ill give you whatever reference you need.

Schotty: Thanks and good luck.


Pete and John back on the phone with Russ's camp:

Ok. Schotty is out. Who do you have in mind?

Russ's camp: Somebody from McVay's inner circle. They embarrased us in thr playoffs with a scrub throwing the ball. Get whoever is helping draw up their stuff.

Pete and John : ok. We made some calls. The only guy at the board with Sean is this guy Shane Waldron. He hasnt done anything. He doesnt scheme the offense. We just know he works with Mcvay to design play and put together ganeplans. No other experience. We can put him on thr list but there are a few other cabdidates we think we want to bring in

Russ camp: no. He's the guy. Russ can work with him to create the plays and scheme on sunday. Russ has the expeience to fill in what he doesnt know. We dont need another 'experienced' oc trying to tell Russ how to play. .

Pete : ok. If wr bring him in, Russ is good?

Russ camp : yeah.

And voila, Waldron is our OC and given full autonomy to craft the offense with Russ.

A year later, Russ is out and Shane goes on a 3 year skid on the road from offensive coordonator in the NFL, to soon-to-be padsing game coordinator again... if he's lucky.

He was never qualified. He was a forced hire to appease RW3.

Sounds plausible to me

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Imo Bears would have been better off trading down to #8 and taking Penix and Odunze back to back then drafting Oline with those extra picks. Maybe should have spent majority of thier FA money on big splashes on Oline.

Don’t know what Poles was doing trying to establish a strong WR core when Waldron scheme is so dependent on TEs functioning in the passing game. They could have easily got a Fant, Parkinson, or Dissly plus Everett.


But this biggest head scratcher was that
Caleb Williams did not seem like a Waldron type QB at least to me but he was the best of those top 3 who all weren’t perfect fits. Wilson and Geno were not exact fits but Geno at least put in the work to make it work while Wilson more or less shrugged off Waldron’s scheme and had to be traded.

Penix is more aligned to the pocket presence passers the Shannahan/McVay trees thrived off of.

Not to say Williams is not going to be great but it feels like Waldron was a poor choice especially since they really didn’t do their franchise QB any favors in giving him a solid Oline and because of that didn’t really didn’t help Waldron in terms of enabling his TEs to facilitate the passing game.

Remember Waldrons best stretch as the Seahawks coordinator was when his Oline and TEs were healthy in the first half of 2022. Then injuries started to rack up and defenses also got smarter in terms of taking it away by forcing the TEs out of the passing game more and more and his ability to navigate his offense through WR use and the Running Game fell off. However, it seemed when QBs were allowed to play to thier strengths they were successful both Russ and Geno exhibited this.

So best case scenario for Williams if they are looking to win now is let him play to his strengths and do his own this thing and improvise but that probably comes with sacrificing Waldrons scheme.

I just don’t really know why they went after Waldron if they were locked in on Caleb. It didn’t make sense to me then and it’s showing now.

 

[keasley45]

Imo Bears would have been better off trading down to #8 and taking Penix and Odunze back to back then drafting Oline with those extra picks. Maybe should have spent majority of thier FA money on big splashes on Oline.

Don’t know what Poles was doing trying to establish a strong WR core when Waldron scheme is so dependent on TEs functioning in the passing game. They could have easily got a Fant, Parkinson, or Dissly plus Everett.


But this biggest head scratcher was that
Caleb Williams did not seem like a Waldron type QB at least to me but he was the best of those top 3 who all weren’t perfect fits. Wilson and Geno were not exact fits but Geno at least put in the work to make it work while Wilson more or less shrugged off Waldron’s scheme and had to be traded.

Penix is more aligned to the pocket presence passers the Shannahan/McVay trees thrived off of.

Not to say Williams is not going to be great but it feels like Waldron was a poor choice especially since they really didn’t do their franchise QB any favors in giving him a solid Oline and because of that didn’t really didn’t help Waldron in terms of enabling his TEs to facilitate the passing game.

Remember Waldrons best stretch as the Seahawks coordinator was when his Oline and TEs were healthy in the first half of 2022. Then injuries started to rack up and defenses also got smarter in terms of taking it away by forcing the TEs out of the passing game more and more and his ability to navigate his offense through WR use and the Running Game fell off. However, it seemed when QBs were allowed to play to thier strengths they were successful both Russ and Geno exhibited this.

So best case scenario for Williams if they are looking to win now is let him play to his strengths and do his own this thing and improvise but that probably comes with sacrificing Waldrons scheme.

I just don’t really know why they went after Waldron if they were locked in on Caleb. It didn’t make sense to me then and it’s showing now.

I think they went after waldron for the same reason denver went after Russ. From the outside it was confusing to some trying to ubderstand what was happening in seattle when Pete was here. It was easy to write-off failures on offense as Pete's meddling and mandating a certain approach. Im sure Chicago thought just like Denver that when they got their guy away from the dated philosophy known as Peteball, that he'd light it up. And im sure thst Waldron probably interviewed well because he knows offense. He's just hopeless as a tactician.

Too late now.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Imo Bears would have been better off trading down to #8 and taking Penix and Odunze back to back then drafting Oline with those extra picks. Maybe should have spent majority of thier FA money on big splashes on Oline.

Don’t know what Poles was doing trying to establish a strong WR core when Waldron scheme is so dependent on TEs functioning in the passing game. They could have easily got a Fant, Parkinson, or Dissly plus Everett.


But this biggest head scratcher was that
Caleb Williams did not seem like a Waldron type QB at least to me but he was the best of those top 3 who all weren’t perfect fits. Wilson and Geno were not exact fits but Geno at least put in the work to make it work while Wilson more or less shrugged off Waldron’s scheme and had to be traded.

Penix is more aligned to the pocket presence passers the Shannahan/McVay trees thrived off of.

Not to say Williams is not going to be great but it feels like Waldron was a poor choice especially since they really didn’t do their franchise QB any favors in giving him a solid Oline and because of that didn’t really didn’t help Waldron in terms of enabling his TEs to facilitate the passing game.

Remember Waldrons best stretch as the Seahawks coordinator was when his Oline and TEs were healthy in the first half of 2022. Then injuries started to rack up and defenses also got smarter in terms of taking it away by forcing the TEs out of the passing game more and more and his ability to navigate his offense through WR use and the Running Game fell off. However, it seemed when QBs were allowed to play to thier strengths they were successful both Russ and Geno exhibited this.

So best case scenario for Williams if they are looking to win now is let him play to his strengths and do his own this thing and improvise but that probably comes with sacrificing Waldrons scheme.

I just don’t really know why they went after Waldron if they were locked in on Caleb. It didn’t make sense to me then and it’s showing now.

Rewatch Seattle vs Baltimore last year. That will tell you everything you need to know about Shane Waldron.

 

[Appyhawk]

Rewatch Seattle vs Baltimore last year. That will tell you everything you need to know about Shane Waldron.

That would also tell you a lot about why you are going to like Coach Mac so much.