And in other news... Shane Waldron (fired)

[MORGULON]

Yes, it's strange @Bear-Hawk is missing .. Come on out .

Having (2) favorite teams seems weird to me . He has the right to do exactly that yet
Think about it

I have one and hate everyone else .

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Yes, it's strange @Bear-Hawk is missing .. Come on out .

Bears fans are in grief over how poorly the offensive line is playing. Shelton and Davis are horrible, allowing rush right up the middle. Williams was under pressure almost every pass. They all have no clue how to block against blitz and stunts.

Defense is very good, but if we can’t get the OL fixed, it won’t matter.

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

I've posted this in the gameday forum, but it belongs here as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChicagoBearsNFL/s/HgiWDvn6WJ

 

[Spin Doctor]

You like Williams?
If so this where we differ.
I'm not impressed at all with him, to me he's like a younger Me3 but not as fast.

Here is a major difference, Williams is a rookie. The issue with what Waldron is doing is forcing some incredibly complicated reads on a guy that is new to the NFL. He's putting a lot of pressure on both his QB and the offensive line with empty sets. Sometimes the designated read is inexplicable. Williams may never amount to anything in the NFL, but that isn't the point. The point is, they're playing into Williams weaknesses as a passer. You're never going to be successful as a signal caller is that is how things are being run. It's amazing to me just how bad and dense Shane Waldron is. I knew he was misusing talent here, but I didn't know it was to the degree that it was.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

This is not Shane Waldron’s fault. It doesn’t matter what play you call, if your OL can’t block anybody. Poles has had 3 years to build an OL, and has brought in nothing but Darnell Wright, and he’s about like Cross — not yet playing up to the level you’d want from a guy taken #9 in first round. Other Bears fans think he’s great. I don’t. Poles paid Davis $30 million, and he’s been a disaster. The center position is even worse. Jenkins seems to be regressing. Braxton Jones isn’t bad, but is still vulnerable to good bull rushers. As a unit, they can’t pick up blitzes or coordinate to switch off to handle stunts. I put blame there on the OL line coach (Morgan). These are veteran players who should be capable of managing fundamental stuff like that.

We missed Keenan Allen yesterday. He can run those short routes like JSN to give Williams a target. Williams had a couple interceptions just trying to make something out of nothing.

 

[toffee]

First off I didn't watch the game, so pulling my opinion out of you know where lol.

Folks blame the OC in this honeymoon period with the QB. What if the Bears have a QB that is a poor men's Russell Wilson who loves his hero balls?

 

[JPatera76]

This is not Shane Waldron’s fault. It doesn’t matter what play you call, if your OL can’t block anybody. Poles has had 3 years to build an OL, and has brought in nothing but Darnell Wright, and he’s about like Cross — not yet playing up to the level you’d want from a guy taken #9 in first round. Other Bears fans think he’s great. I don’t. Poles paid Davis $30 million, and he’s been a disaster. The center position is even worse. Jenkins seems to be regressing. Braxton Jones isn’t bad, but is still vulnerable to good bull rushers. As a unit, they can’t pick up blitzes or coordinate to switch off to handle stunts. I put blame there on the OL line coach (Morgan). These are veteran players who should be capable of managing fundamental stuff like that.

We missed Keenan Allen yesterday. He can run those short routes like JSN to give Williams a target. Williams had a couple interceptions just trying to make something out of nothing.

It’s 100% Shane Waldrons who is contributing though. I’ll go as far as to say ereflus (sry spelling but you know) is also to blame. Fields goes to the Steelers and tears it up so far. Coaching issue. You guys have a defensive minded coach imo that’s like PC set in his ways and an OC who is just meh and doesn’t adjust or play to your QBs strengths and off what defenses give. Thats been the same pairings Seattle had for years until this yr. Where Seattle actually makes adjustments, Genos taking what’s being given to him, Grubb adjusts, Coach Mike let’s Grubb do his thing.

Now I’ll be honest I don’t know how much of it is Mike, Grubb or the forgotten one Frazier but it’s working. The Bears imo have a hard choice to make at the end of the yr if they still can’t produce enough wins. imo it would be best for them to Shit can Coach, Caleb Williams as much as I hate the force hype, shouldn’t be this bad whatsoever. He’s just got bad coaching staff leading him wrong.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

It’s 100% Shane Waldrons who is contributing though. I’ll go as far as to say ereflus (sry spelling but you know) is also to blame. Fields goes to the Steelers and tears it up so far. Coaching issue. You guys have a defensive minded coach imo that’s like PC set in his ways and an OC who is just meh and doesn’t adjust or play to your QBs strengths and off what defenses give. Thats been the same pairings Seattle had for years until this yr. Where Seattle actually makes adjustments, Genos taking what’s being given to him, Grubb adjusts, Coach Mike let’s Grubb do his thing.

Now I’ll be honest I don’t know how much of it is Mike, Grubb or the forgotten one Frazier but it’s working. The Bears imo have a hard choice to make at the end of the yr if they still can’t produce enough wins. imo it would be best for them to Shit can Coach, Caleb Williams as much as I hate the force hype, shouldn’t be this bad whatsoever. He’s just got bad coaching staff leading him wrong.

I will blame Waldron if he doesn’t start keeping a fullback in the backfield to help with pass protection AND a lot more two TE’s on the field to help some, but Kmet totally whiffed on blocking Anderson on one of the 7 sacks. That’s saying a lot, because Williams is very mobile and his TTT is around 2.5 (much quicker processing and release than Fields). I have watched all pass plays from the Texans game in slow motion. It is hideous. This is the worst Bears OL in memory.

The one thing we all agree about on the Bears forum is that Poles must go all-in next year in free agency and the draft for OL. He should have done it already. I’m not saying Odunze won’t eventually be a good receiver, but……

 

[Cyrus12]

Williams showing the inaccuracy that was noticed in college. He definitely has missed guys by wide margins. His issue was the hype and contract issues he tried to force...he isn't living up to any of it.

 

[CallMeADawg]

This is not Shane Waldron’s fault. It doesn’t matter what play you call, if your OL can’t block anybody. Poles has had 3 years to build an OL, and has brought in nothing but Darnell Wright, and he’s about like Cross — not yet playing up to the level you’d want from a guy taken #9 in first round. Other Bears fans think he’s great. I don’t. Poles paid Davis $30 million, and he’s been a disaster. The center position is even worse. Jenkins seems to be regressing. Braxton Jones isn’t bad, but is still vulnerable to good bull rushers. As a unit, they can’t pick up blitzes or coordinate to switch off to handle stunts. I put blame there on the OL line coach (Morgan). These are veteran players who should be capable of managing fundamental stuff like that.

We missed Keenan Allen yesterday. He can run those short routes like JSN to give Williams a target. Williams had a couple interceptions just trying to make something out of nothing.

Cross is the top ranked LT in the league right now.

Shane Waldron is garbage. Funny you mention JSN. Waldron had him, and did absolutely nothing with him. Grubb comes here and JSN is absolutely balling out so far.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Williams showing the inaccuracy that was noticed in college. He definitely has missed guys by wide margins. His issue was the hype and contract issues he tried to force...he isn't living up to any of it.

There wasn’t a contract issue. The issue is that he has pressure in his face 2 seconds after the ball is snapped. Only meatball Bears fans put the problem on Williams.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Cross is the top ranked LT in the league right now.

Shane Waldron is garbage. Funny you mention JSN. Waldron had him, and did absolutely nothing with him. Grubb comes here and JSN is absolutely balling out so far.

Maybe Wright will get it together in year #3 like Cross, but Cross has only 2 games on the resume in 2024. I will be sold if he’s still there after 17 games. He was less than spectacular in 2022 and 2023.

I agree on JSN. I believe Waldron has noticed, and he’s going to use Keenan Allen like the Seahawks are (now) using JSN. That’s the least of our problems, until the OL is fixed. Everything else pales by comparison.

 

[Lagartixa]

This is not Shane Waldron’s fault. It doesn’t matter what play you call, if your OL can’t block anybody. Poles has had 3 years to build an OL, and has brought in nothing but Darnell Wright, and he’s about like Cross — not yet playing up to the level you’d want from a guy taken #9 in first round.

I'd suggest adjusting that to something like "...and he's about like Cross last year - not yet playing up to..."

By spending more time paying attention to the Bears, you appear to have missed Cross's performance so far this season. He has been the Seahawks' best offensive lineman by a lot, and it's not just because the rest of the line sucks.
But don't get me wrong. The rest of the line definitely has sucked so far. Center has been a lot weaker than we had hoped, and both of the so-far-starting guards have both utterly sucked. The best thing I can say about Tomlinson is "well, at least the Seahawks are paying him a lot less than they gave Joeckel." Bradford appears to be getting worse with experience, not better. And as you're probably aware, the Seahawks are starting their third-string right tackle, Stone Feet Forsythe. The only offensive lineman I trust at all at this point is Cross.

But it's more than just that. Cross has been playing really well.

 

[Cyrus12]

There wasn’t a contract issue. The issue is that he has pressure in his face 2 seconds after the ball is snapped. Only meatball Bears fans put the problem on Williams.

While I will say he has been pressured he missed several guys that looked open. Moore was visibly frustrated at times. As long as Eberflus and Waldo are there it's possible he ends up withe Bears qb curse....

 

[Bear-Hawk]

While I will say he has been pressured he missed several guys that looked open. Moore was visibly frustrated at times. As long as Eberflus and Waldo are there it's possible he ends up withe Bears qb curse....

He is a rookie in his second game. Stuff like that will be worked out over time. It doesn’t all happen instantly.

If the offense is still floundering after the OL is (hopefully and finally) fixed by Poles next year, then I would fire Eberflus and his staff and start over. But if Bears win 7-8 games this year, Warren might fire them all and I will definitely lose the $160 I bet on over 8.5 wins.

 

[Hawknight]

Poor Caleb Williams

He was doomed as soon as Waldron signed on

 

[pittpnthrs]

It’s 100% Shane Waldrons who is contributing though. I’ll go as far as to say ereflus (sry spelling but you know) is also to blame. Fields goes to the Steelers and tears it up so far. Coaching issue. You guys have a defensive minded coach imo that’s like PC set in his ways and an OC who is just meh and doesn’t adjust or play to your QBs strengths and off what defenses give. Thats been the same pairings Seattle had for years until this yr. Where Seattle actually makes adjustments, Genos taking what’s being given to him, Grubb adjusts, Coach Mike let’s Grubb do his thing.

Now I’ll be honest I don’t know how much of it is Mike, Grubb or the forgotten one Frazier but it’s working. The Bears imo have a hard choice to make at the end of the yr if they still can’t produce enough wins. imo it would be best for them to Shit can Coach, Caleb Williams as much as I hate the force hype, shouldn’t be this bad whatsoever. He’s just got bad coaching staff leading him wrong.

Fields tearing it up? He's had a 156 yard passing game with no TD's and a 117 yard game with 1 TD. They've beaten the Falcons and Broncos and scored 18 and 13 points in those efforts.

Maybe Waldron does suck, but he is dealing with a rookie QB and a horrid Oline. Williams was sacked 7 times against the Texans. Hard to get anything going with that kind of pressure. Its worse than what we have in Seattle right now.

 

[Maelstrom787]

This is not Shane Waldron’s fault. It doesn’t matter what play you call, if your OL can’t block anybody. Poles has had 3 years to build an OL, and has brought in nothing but Darnell Wright, and he’s about like Cross — not yet playing up to the level you’d want from a guy taken #9 in first round. Other Bears fans think he’s great. I don’t. Poles paid Davis $30 million, and he’s been a disaster. The center position is even worse. Jenkins seems to be regressing. Braxton Jones isn’t bad, but is still vulnerable to good bull rushers. As a unit, they can’t pick up blitzes or coordinate to switch off to handle stunts. I put blame there on the OL line coach (Morgan). These are veteran players who should be capable of managing fundamental stuff like that.

We missed Keenan Allen yesterday. He can run those short routes like JSN to give Williams a target. Williams had a couple interceptions just trying to make something out of nothing.

Not really disagreeing here with the overall message, but personally, I've been fine with Cross since he was drafted. He has always been a competent protector with upside.

Now I'm more than fine with him. He's been positively elite through camp and now through 2 games.

 

[flv2]

But Waldron is a McVay coaching tree disciple! He pisses excellence, just like Ricky Bobby!
How can you doubt that Waldron's McVay-mentored brilliance will have the Bears hoisting a Lombardi within 2 or 3 years?
Bears just need to trade for Stafford, and the Lombardi is a done deal!

/s

He didn't coach for McVay. He was McVay's personal fluffer.



...Allegedly.

 

[flv2]

I will blame Waldron if he doesn’t start keeping a fullback in the backfield to help with pass protection AND a lot more two TE’s on the field to help some, but Kmet totally whiffed on blocking Anderson on one of the 7 sacks. That’s saying a lot, because Williams is very mobile and his TTT is around 2.5 (much quicker processing and release than Fields). I have watched all pass plays from the Texans game in slow motion. It is hideous. This is the worst Bears OL in memory.

The one thing we all agree about on the Bears forum is that Poles must go all-in next year in free agency and the draft for OL. He should have done it already. I’m not saying Odunze won’t eventually be a good receiver, but……

Waldron doesn't use RBs for anything other than running the football. They don't pass, they don't block they don't run routes, they don't motion to draw away a defender, they don't act as a decoy. Either they hide the up-field side of an OL at the LOS so the QB can throw an incomplete pass at his own feet, or they run a -7 yard flare pattern to the sideline so the QB can throw the ball away without getting called for grounding. Passing plays are effectively a 10-man offense.