An Interesting Patriot Tactic

[Grahamhawker]

Go on defense first, get jitters out make Mayo feel the pressure, and then bring pressure, if he runs, Jones clock his skinny ass. could also get a turnover. Then score and keep the pressure on and watch Vrabel go ballastic.

Mayo?

 

[Natethegreat]

Negative. Cheating, if you choose to call it that, is simply a fact of life when it comes to many things. The pearl clutching here, and everywhere, over the Patriots is comical when nobody bats an eye about doing 85-90 on the freeway or fudging their taxes to keep more of their own money in their pocket.

Selective moral outrage is an ugly double standard.

Remind me not to compete against you in anything if thats really your view on life.
And no, I don't cheat in competition or taxes. I certainly have sped before but I really don't think thats comparable in my view.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Damn, and I thought Hawks fans sticking up for the Rams was strange. This is kind of next level. Sticking up for the Patriots? What?

Sunday can't get here soon enough. I've heard it all now. Cheating is now something that should be praised

 

[chris98251]

Mayo?

Mayonnaise

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Negative. Cheating, if you choose to call it that, is simply a fact of life when it comes to many things. The pearl clutching here, and everywhere, over the Patriots is comical when nobody bats an eye about doing 85-90 on the freeway or fudging their taxes to keep more of their own money in their pocket.

Selective moral outrage is an ugly double standard.

Speeding is an interesting example to say the least.

Not only are the two not the same, cheating and speeding, but it's a very disingenuous comparison because, yeah, people do speed but you know what happens when you get caught? You get fined or punished. By that logic the Patriots are still in the wrong for cheating.

Not to mention there's a stark difference with going 15 or 20 over on the freeway and a multi-billion dollar sporting event that is tied to advertising, contracts, deals, and publicity that alter for the winning or losing team.

 

[Grahamhawker]

I don't know if anyone's arguing right or wrong. The implication leans more toward taking advantage of any rules to extract leverage, even if it amounts to a loophole. And every team is likely doing it to one extent or another in the competitive NFL environment.

 

[MD5eahawks]

There are varying levels of cheating.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And the Pats are the champions of cheating.

 

[Aircrew]

"Cheating", if you all want to call it that, is something everyone who consistently wins does. It's not really cheating, rather, it's the process of taking advantage of any number of opportunities in the rules or processes of a given environment or situation. Go study the Art of War and get back to me.

Everyone's simplistic shock and outrage over what amounts to asymmetric warfare best compares to a child throwing a fit over finding out Santa Clause isn't real.

What your outrage should be directed at is that our own team doesn't do it enough or as well as the Pats.

Or...maybe we are?

 

[Sperrydogg]

Not if the game ends up with an asterisk beside it, and the legacy is tarnished. That's never a win.

I’m joking

 

[glenwo2]

Cheating.....not Cheating.....WHO GIVES A F--K?

Is it Sunday yet?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

"Cheating", if you all want to call it that, is something everyone who consistently wins does. It's not really cheating, rather, it's the process of taking advantage of any number of opportunities in the rules or processes of a given environment or situation. Go study the Art of War and get back to me.

Everyone's simplistic shock and outrage over what amounts to asymmetric warfare best compares to a child throwing a fit over finding out Santa Clause isn't real.

What your outrage should be directed at is that our own team doesn't do it enough or as well as the Pats.

Or...maybe we are?

Just go get your Pats jersey already.

 

[chris98251]

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Cheating.....not Cheating.....WHO GIVES A F--K?

Is it Sunday yet?

15 yards Taunting !

 

[Hybrid]

Meet the new Pats...Same as the old Pats.

 

[flv2]

I guess it all depends on what people regard as cheating. In F1 teams and drivers will automatically break a rule if the gain from cheating outweighs the penalty for cheating. Everyone expects it. In the NFL that can sometimes happen, (such as the last defender dragging the ball-carrier down by a horse-collar to prevent a TD), but generally it's frowned upon.

For example: some years ago, the Seahawks were a few points down of their opponent, (yes - Rams), and Wilson turned the ball over with 2 minutes and 2 seconds remaining. The Seahawks had already used all 3 time-outs. The Rams couldn't just take a knee because of the 2-minute warning. They could have exploited the situation by running an illegal play knowing that the Seahawks couldn't accept the penalty, (everyone holds/pass to an interior lineman etc). Would that have been cheating or just being smart?

A better example would be the infamous Ravens - Bengals game where the Ravens used the everyone holds play with 11 seconds remaining to take a safety rather than punt.

later edit:
Ravens - Bengals incident on YouTube

 

[Ad Hawk]

Or when the kicker, say, attempts to trip the returner who is headed for the endzone...

No, that wouldn't really happen.

 

[Followthelegion]

this thread has really taken a left turn! teams will exploit the rules, my point was purely limited to the refs officiating the rules in a fairer manner to prevent defenses getting away with this tactic.

 

[Aussie Seahawk]

Meet the new Pats...Same as the old Pats.

Well said... and I salute your most excellent avatar!

 

[Year of The Hawk]

There is pushing the limits of the rules. Then there are the Patriots. They were caught outright cheating (not just bending the rules). There was an article a while ago that spelled out how much the patriots actually cheated. They only got caught with deflate gate and the one filming session. They did a lot more than that. IMHO deflate gate was the "Al Capone" punishment for what they really did. Deflategate was something they could also “catch” them for without risking the integrity of the game. Outright cheating (like they did a lot) would have put a huge damper on the sports betting world.

 

[Atradees]

A 3 score lead makes this completely irrelevant. A 2 pt lead makes this really important. Start fast, keep stacking plays and don't look back.

Chase those edges!