Amazing game by Russell Wilson today

[Tical21]

He doesn't struggle against zone defenses, but he struggles reading them. Often that leads to him holding the ball rather than take a risk throwing the ball into something he doesn't trust. The lack of interceptions are a double-edged sword. Against zone, he typically does one of three things repeatedly. Watch the tape for yourself. I beg you. It's silly to continue to have this discussion in this format if you refuse to watch the tape.

Look, I hope as much as anyone that he has mastered the short passing game, I'll gladly pass often. I have thoughts as to why he was so successful this week, why it was predictable and not likely repeatable, but this is a week to just marvel at an outstanding performance.

LOL he does not struggle against zone defenses, but he struggles reading them. LOL that funny. Its also factually incorrect. As to the rest he spent almost all of 2015 doing the short passing game, so he can master

Whats silly is your need to continually say things that are factually false. The only thing you said that is right is we should enjoy this outstanding performance.oh an fFYI I have watched tape and nothing you say is as simple as you say, there are always variables that you fail to mention like, play call, oline, down and distance, etc. So once again factually speaking everything you say is wrong except enjoying the performance. But that for the laughs

"He doesn't struggle against zone defenses, but he struggles reading them." That is funny

Factually incorrect that Russell Wilson struggles reading zone defenses.

I don't know what you want me to say man. If you can't see it, I guess all the better for you. I dunno.

The 2015 season was an anomaly because we were a passing team playing against defenses that were gearing up to stop our running game. Of the 6 games I charted, we saw 60% man defense. We tried to replicate this success in 2016, but saw defenses switch to almost 60% zone, and unfortunately our success with the short passing game fell off a cliff. It wasn't until we got back to running the football and putting teams back into man defense and predictable coverages that we started to have success again. So, we way be able to play halves or games where we feature the short passing game prominently, but if we adopt that as our style, it will change the way that defenses play us, and that could greatly hamper our effectiveness and the efficiency of Russell Wilson. There's also a possibility that he is just that much better of a quarterback due to getting more experience and playing under Schotty, and it won't matter what defenses do, but I'd probably bet against it.

Leading up to the game, Seahawk2k was doing Steelers prep and concluded that their greatest vulnerability was a quick passing game, because of reasons I've mentioned in this and other threads. I thought that would make DK the benefactor, rather than Lockett, because Lockett hasn't shown much ability to get early separation. But it was a great adjustment and even better execution. Whether or not the success validates the opinion of everyone who believes the key to our success is opening up the offense and deploying a quick passing attack on a routine basis is a bit of a stretch though IMO.

Yes factually incorrect find a fact that show sthat. Le tme help you those facts would include a poor completion %, a poor Qb rating, A poor td/int ratio that problem is non exist, because it is not true. You keep saying 2015 was an anomally, and yet he just did it again last game and if you look at other game ssicne then he has done it other times to, when they use that game plan. You keep trying to blame Wilson for not using it more when it is not him calling the plays, or game plan. He may have input but in the end it is up to PC and has said he does not like dinking and dunking. So once again show facts to support your stance, because so far all you have done is state you opinion which is obvious to all is not a fact.

Let me help you this is a fact



So well I guess like I said your wrong as he did it just last year too. So if he struggles reading, it so much, which again you have no factual proof of how is it he also had the highest b rating against the zone, oh yeah because he does not struggle against the zone.

So you can have your opinion but knwo the facts clearly show your wrong.

I was trying to be nice, but you won't freaking drop it so I'm not going to be nice anymore.

If a quarterback were having trouble reading defenses, I might want to, I dunno, see how long he holds onto the ball? How many sacks they take? How often the quarterback is able to hit his back foot and let the ball go? How often they look at a defense for 15 seconds trying to figure out what is going on? How quickly they bail out of the pocket? How early they hit their dumpoffs? How often they throw 50/50 balls down the sideline? How excited they get when they see man-1 or cover-0.

When did I ever blame Wilson for the game plan? Ever once? You can look up my posting history, correct? Pete doesn't like the quick game because he is trying to maximize Russell's skillset and minimize the times he has to read and quickly execute against zones. Period.

Name me one game between 2015 and Sunday where the quick game looked effective. One. One. One. Go ahead. We tried it for two years. Did it EVER work, even ONCE???

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I gotta' be honest Tical, it's nice to just read an argument that's not between you and I :lol:

 

[Fade]

Hey Tical check 2017 against the Eagles on SNF. The 1st half especially. They came out with the quick game, and carved them up.

It's a coaching philosophy thing. Not a player deficiency thing.

Though, if you want to nitpick Wilson it is his biggest weakness. 6/10.

 

[Tical21]

I gotta' be honest Tical, it's nice to just read an argument that's not between you and I :lol:

:irishdrinkers: :irishdrinkers:

 

[Tical21]

Hey Tical check 2017 against the Eagles on SNF. The 1st half especially. They came out with the quick game, and carved them up.

It's a coaching philosophy thing. Not a player deficiency thing.

Though, if you want to nitpick Wilson it is his biggest weakness. 6/10.

I dunno, we tried it for half of 15 and tried to replicate it in 16 and 17. Pete may not have been comfortable with it, but he didn't stop it from happening.

With how relatively ugly those seasons were, and how much Russ' efficiency dropped, It became pretty obvious that we really needed to lean on the running game again to get this thing going back in the right direction. We did that in 2018, achieved a success I don't think any of us imagined, and yet nobody here wants to give the credit for that success to the running game and Schottenheimer, despite all the evidence. So you tell me who is playing to their biases here?

 

[John63]

LOL he does not struggle against zone defenses, but he struggles reading them. LOL that funny. Its also factually incorrect. As to the rest he spent almost all of 2015 doing the short passing game, so he can master

Whats silly is your need to continually say things that are factually false. The only thing you said that is right is we should enjoy this outstanding performance.oh an fFYI I have watched tape and nothing you say is as simple as you say, there are always variables that you fail to mention like, play call, oline, down and distance, etc. So once again factually speaking everything you say is wrong except enjoying the performance. But that for the laughs

"He doesn't struggle against zone defenses, but he struggles reading them." That is funny

Factually incorrect that Russell Wilson struggles reading zone defenses.

I don't know what you want me to say man. If you can't see it, I guess all the better for you. I dunno.

The 2015 season was an anomaly because we were a passing team playing against defenses that were gearing up to stop our running game. Of the 6 games I charted, we saw 60% man defense. We tried to replicate this success in 2016, but saw defenses switch to almost 60% zone, and unfortunately our success with the short passing game fell off a cliff. It wasn't until we got back to running the football and putting teams back into man defense and predictable coverages that we started to have success again. So, we way be able to play halves or games where we feature the short passing game prominently, but if we adopt that as our style, it will change the way that defenses play us, and that could greatly hamper our effectiveness and the efficiency of Russell Wilson. There's also a possibility that he is just that much better of a quarterback due to getting more experience and playing under Schotty, and it won't matter what defenses do, but I'd probably bet against it.

Leading up to the game, Seahawk2k was doing Steelers prep and concluded that their greatest vulnerability was a quick passing game, because of reasons I've mentioned in this and other threads. I thought that would make DK the benefactor, rather than Lockett, because Lockett hasn't shown much ability to get early separation. But it was a great adjustment and even better execution. Whether or not the success validates the opinion of everyone who believes the key to our success is opening up the offense and deploying a quick passing attack on a routine basis is a bit of a stretch though IMO.

Yes factually incorrect find a fact that show sthat. Le tme help you those facts would include a poor completion %, a poor Qb rating, A poor td/int ratio that problem is non exist, because it is not true. You keep saying 2015 was an anomally, and yet he just did it again last game and if you look at other game ssicne then he has done it other times to, when they use that game plan. You keep trying to blame Wilson for not using it more when it is not him calling the plays, or game plan. He may have input but in the end it is up to PC and has said he does not like dinking and dunking. So once again show facts to support your stance, because so far all you have done is state you opinion which is obvious to all is not a fact.

Let me help you this is a fact



So well I guess like I said your wrong as he did it just last year too. So if he struggles reading, it so much, which again you have no factual proof of how is it he also had the highest b rating against the zone, oh yeah because he does not struggle against the zone.

So you can have your opinion but knwo the facts clearly show your wrong.

I was trying to be nice, but you won't freaking drop it so I'm not going to be nice anymore.

If a quarterback were having trouble reading defenses, I might want to, I dunno, see how long he holds onto the ball? How many sacks they take? How often the quarterback is able to hit his back foot and let the ball go? How often they look at a defense for 15 seconds trying to figure out what is going on? How quickly they bail out of the pocket? How early they hit their dumpoffs? How often they throw 50/50 balls down the sideline? How excited they get when they see man-1 or cover-0.

When did I ever blame Wilson for the game plan? Ever once? You can look up my posting history, correct? Pete doesn't like the quick game because he is trying to maximize Russell's skillset and minimize the times he has to read and quickly execute against zones. Period.

Name me one game between 2015 and Sunday where the quick game looked effective. One. One. One. Go ahead. We tried it for two years. Did it EVER work, even ONCE???

I showed facts you have shown nothing enough said.

 

[John63]

Hey Tical check 2017 against the Eagles on SNF. The 1st half especially. They came out with the quick game, and carved them up.

It's a coaching philosophy thing. Not a player deficiency thing.

Though, if you want to nitpick Wilson it is his biggest weakness. 6/10.

I dunno, we tried it for half of 15 and tried to replicate it in 16 and 17. Pete may not have been comfortable with it, but he didn't stop it from happening.

With how relatively ugly those seasons were, and how much Russ' efficiency dropped, It became pretty obvious that we really needed to lean on the running game again to get this thing going back in the right direction. We did that in 2018, achieved a success I don't think any of us imagined, and yet nobody here wants to give the credit for that success to the running game and Schottenheimer, despite all the evidence. So you tell me who is playing to their biases here?

Here is an idea provide something t support your claim. First proof we tried it in 2016 and 2017, then proof it did not work because of Wilson. If all you are going to do is talk, and provide nothing to support you , you are wasting everyone times.

So to sum up

the FACTS show Wilson is good at reading a zone and playing against a zone, Facts provided within this thread

Wilson is good at the short game again facts show within this thread

You assertions

He cant read zone defenses, no facts provide dto support, however facts shown proving this is WRONG\

WIlson cant perform in a quick passing game, or short passing game, no proof provided, however proof proved with in this thread showing your wrong.

We tried this in 2016 and 2017 and it failed and it was Wilson fault. No proof provided to support this at all.

Final summation, the FACTS show that Wilson can indeed read and perform great against a Zone. Wilson can, has and id perform in a short, quick passing game. No facts provided by you to support any of your fictitious claims.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Pancakes, Waffles or French Toast??

 

[John63]

Pancakes, Waffles or French Toast??

French Toast LOL!

 

[Seymour]

Pancakes, Waffles or French Toast??

How bout Tedric Toast with booberry syrup??

:lol: :lol:

 

[HawkStrong]

LOL he does not struggle against zone defenses, but he struggles reading them. LOL that funny. Its also factually incorrect. As to the rest he spent almost all of 2015 doing the short passing game, so he can master

Whats silly is your need to continually say things that are factually false. The only thing you said that is right is we should enjoy this outstanding performance.oh an fFYI I have watched tape and nothing you say is as simple as you say, there are always variables that you fail to mention like, play call, oline, down and distance, etc. So once again factually speaking everything you say is wrong except enjoying the performance. But that for the laughs

"He doesn't struggle against zone defenses, but he struggles reading them." That is funny

Factually incorrect that Russell Wilson struggles reading zone defenses.

I don't know what you want me to say man. If you can't see it, I guess all the better for you. I dunno.

The 2015 season was an anomaly because we were a passing team playing against defenses that were gearing up to stop our running game. Of the 6 games I charted, we saw 60% man defense. We tried to replicate this success in 2016, but saw defenses switch to almost 60% zone, and unfortunately our success with the short passing game fell off a cliff. It wasn't until we got back to running the football and putting teams back into man defense and predictable coverages that we started to have success again. So, we way be able to play halves or games where we feature the short passing game prominently, but if we adopt that as our style, it will change the way that defenses play us, and that could greatly hamper our effectiveness and the efficiency of Russell Wilson. There's also a possibility that he is just that much better of a quarterback due to getting more experience and playing under Schotty, and it won't matter what defenses do, but I'd probably bet against it.

Leading up to the game, Seahawk2k was doing Steelers prep and concluded that their greatest vulnerability was a quick passing game, because of reasons I've mentioned in this and other threads. I thought that would make DK the benefactor, rather than Lockett, because Lockett hasn't shown much ability to get early separation. But it was a great adjustment and even better execution. Whether or not the success validates the opinion of everyone who believes the key to our success is opening up the offense and deploying a quick passing attack on a routine basis is a bit of a stretch though IMO.

Yes factually incorrect find a fact that show sthat. Le tme help you those facts would include a poor completion %, a poor Qb rating, A poor td/int ratio that problem is non exist, because it is not true. You keep saying 2015 was an anomally, and yet he just did it again last game and if you look at other game ssicne then he has done it other times to, when they use that game plan. You keep trying to blame Wilson for not using it more when it is not him calling the plays, or game plan. He may have input but in the end it is up to PC and has said he does not like dinking and dunking. So once again show facts to support your stance, because so far all you have done is state you opinion which is obvious to all is not a fact.

Let me help you this is a fact



So well I guess like I said your wrong as he did it just last year too. So if he struggles reading, it so much, which again you have no factual proof of how is it he also had the highest b rating against the zone, oh yeah because he does not struggle against the zone.

So you can have your opinion but knwo the facts clearly show your wrong.

I was trying to be nice, but you won't freaking drop it so I'm not going to be nice anymore.

If a quarterback were having trouble reading defenses, I might want to, I dunno, see how long he holds onto the ball? How many sacks they take? How often the quarterback is able to hit his back foot and let the ball go? How often they look at a defense for 15 seconds trying to figure out what is going on? How quickly they bail out of the pocket? How early they hit their dumpoffs? How often they throw 50/50 balls down the sideline? How excited they get when they see man-1 or cover-0.

When did I ever blame Wilson for the game plan? Ever once? You can look up my posting history, correct? Pete doesn't like the quick game because he is trying to maximize Russell's skillset and minimize the times he has to read and quickly execute against zones. Period.

Name me one game between 2015 and Sunday where the quick game looked effective. One. One. One. Go ahead. We tried it for two years. Did it EVER work, even ONCE???

Someone is using facts, someone is using opinion.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I ran out of popcorn too. Oh well, some good reading regardless.
Tedric Toast for the win

 

[Seymour]

....and someone's opinion is tilted toward serious bias against Wilson. ukeface:

Nothing he says can he prove or provide any support for. Most would refer to this as pulling it out of your ass.

 

[John63]

....and someone's opinion is tilted toward serious bias against Wilson. ukeface:

Nothing he says can he prove or provide any support for. Most would refer to this as pulling it out of your ass.

exactly.

 

[Fade]

Hey Tical check 2017 against the Eagles on SNF. The 1st half especially. They came out with the quick game, and carved them up.

It's a coaching philosophy thing. Not a player deficiency thing.

Though, if you want to nitpick Wilson it is his biggest weakness. 6/10.

I dunno, we tried it for half of 15 and tried to replicate it in 16 and 17. Pete may not have been comfortable with it, but he didn't stop it from happening.

With how relatively ugly those seasons were, and how much Russ' efficiency dropped, It became pretty obvious that we really needed to lean on the running game again to get this thing going back in the right direction. We did that in 2018, achieved a success I don't think any of us imagined, and yet nobody here wants to give the credit for that success to the running game and Schottenheimer, despite all the evidence. So you tell me who is playing to their biases here?

Wilson's efficiency dropped because they were absolutely anemic (historically bad) running the ball. Opponents didn't have to load the box, and they could sit back in 2 high with 22 eyeballs on Wilson, rush 4, and still get immediate pressure.

And you're surprised Wilson's efficiency dropped? LOL



If what you think is true (can't read zone) Wilson wouldn't have experienced an efficiency drop, but instead a total collapse.

But Wilson is such a beast he masked their issues through those years, and damn near won an MVP in 2017.

 

[John63]

Hey Tical check 2017 against the Eagles on SNF. The 1st half especially. They came out with the quick game, and carved them up.

It's a coaching philosophy thing. Not a player deficiency thing.

Though, if you want to nitpick Wilson it is his biggest weakness. 6/10.

I dunno, we tried it for half of 15 and tried to replicate it in 16 and 17. Pete may not have been comfortable with it, but he didn't stop it from happening.

With how relatively ugly those seasons were, and how much Russ' efficiency dropped, It became pretty obvious that we really needed to lean on the running game again to get this thing going back in the right direction. We did that in 2018, achieved a success I don't think any of us imagined, and yet nobody here wants to give the credit for that success to the running game and Schottenheimer, despite all the evidence. So you tell me who is playing to their biases here?

Wilson's efficiency dropped because they were absolutely anemic (historically bad) running the ball. Opponents didn't have to load the box, and they could sit back in 2 high with 22 eyeballs on Wilson, rush 4, and still get immediate pressure.

And you're surprised Wilson's efficiency dropped? LOL



If what you think is true (can't read zone) Wilson wouldn't have experienced an efficiency drop, but instead a total collapse.

But Wilson is such a beast he masked their issues through those years, and damn near won an MVP in 2017.

It always amazes me how he states Wilson's efficiency dropped and uses that as proof he cant run a quick hitting passing attack and yet fails to mention that our run game was bottom half of the league both years and that Wilson was our leading rusher one of those years. Or that PC has said he does not like the short passing game. Nor does he provide any proof we tried it at all. Or that for example 2017 Wilson accounted for every TD we scored on offense but 1 or 97%, and he accounted for over 80% of our total offensive yards. By the way he was the first player in the history of the NFL to do that. Or that he played hurt most of 2016. In fact he provided no facts to support his now clearly wrong stance. Just his deep need to show Wilson is not good.

 

[Tical21]

First of all, keep your simple ass away from my threads. Where do you live? I will watch a game with you and show you every single play that Russ can’t read. Every one. Before the snap. Is that factual enough for you? Step up or piss off.

How would you recommend I show facts about not readin coverages? Seems sack numbers and average time to throw the ball or not converting a 3rd and long IN A DECADE qualify as facts, no? Where are your facts??

Zeeks this weekend? My treat.

 

[Tical21]

Hey Tical check 2017 against the Eagles on SNF. The 1st half especially. They came out with the quick game, and carved them up.

It's a coaching philosophy thing. Not a player deficiency thing.

Though, if you want to nitpick Wilson it is his biggest weakness. 6/10.

I dunno, we tried it for half of 15 and tried to replicate it in 16 and 17. Pete may not have been comfortable with it, but he didn't stop it from happening.

With how relatively ugly those seasons were, and how much Russ' efficiency dropped, It became pretty obvious that we really needed to lean on the running game again to get this thing going back in the right direction. We did that in 2018, achieved a success I don't think any of us imagined, and yet nobody here wants to give the credit for that success to the running game and Schottenheimer, despite all the evidence. So you tell me who is playing to their biases here?

Wilson's efficiency dropped because they were absolutely anemic (historically bad) running the ball. Opponents didn't have to load the box, and they could sit back in 2 high with 22 eyeballs on Wilson, rush 4, and still get immediate pressure.

And you're surprised Wilson's efficiency dropped? LOL



If what you think is true (can't read zone) Wilson wouldn't have experienced an efficiency drop, but instead a total collapse.

But Wilson is such a beast he masked their issues through those years, and damn near won an MVP in 2017.

An 18 point rating drop is pretty significant, no?

And in no world but your own did he almost win an MVP in his second worst season.

 

[Tical21]

....and someone's opinion is tilted toward serious bias against Wilson. ukeface:

Nothing he says can he prove or provide any support for. Most would refer to this as pulling it out of your ass.

You’re welcome to join us. End this shit once and for all. I think everyone here has had enough of you flapping your gums while providing zero in the form of substance to any conversation on this board. Be better or go yell at people in YouTube comments.

 

[John63]

First of all, keep your simple ass away from my threads. Where do you live? I will watch a game with you and show you every single play that Russ can’t read. Every one. Before the snap. Is that factual enough for you? Step up or piss off.

How would you recommend I show facts about not readin coverages? Seems sack numbers and average time to throw the ball or not converting a 3rd and long IN A DECADE qualify as facts, no? Where are your facts??

Zeeks this weekend? My treat.

Hmm still no facts backing your statement Wilson can read a zone or that he cant run a short passing game. Dont worry I provided plenty showing your wrong.