Aldon's suspension is nine games

[Brahn]

IMHO 9 games is light. If anyone here (besides any self employed) did the same thing how many would have a job at all? Sports is waaaay more forgiving of this kind of behavior. It all about the money. I think it is wrong because the sport will make its money with or without Aldon Smith.

Honestly, and this really has little to do with Aldon, I think that line of reasoning is really faulty.

First off, my employer wouldn't even know it had happened let alone thinking it's in their prevue to punish me for it. That's what the legal system is for.

I work for a Tech company and they aren't going over me record for DUIs or misdemeanors in order to levy suspensions or fines.

That may be different in other professions, but for the most part the legal system is there to take care of issues with the law. Its not on the employer to levy its own punishment.

When you were hired for your job did you sign the types of documents Aldon did? You know the ones about PERSONAL CONDUCT WHILE IN THE NFL? The one he signed that allowed for him to let the Corporation (Goodell) assign penalties above those that the law may require? Or are those the documents he would of signed that you did not?

He knew all the rules before he broke them. All the players do, from punching your wife, to smoking weed,to PEDs, to dui, to crashing your car into a ladies front yard while on your way to work but you fell alseep from intoxication while having the pedal full throttle, to bringing assault rifles across state lines and not knowing proper fire arm laws, to possibly saying you have a bomb at an airport, to have an incident at your residence where hand guns were fired in the air and someone was shot(even if the two are not related but coincidental). But we need to let Aldon be responsible for Aldon?

Would you hope for your daughter to start dating Aldon Smith?

 

[Marvin49]

...and no 49er thread on .net is complete without a "Niners time is done" post from someone. LOL.

Solid rebuttal.

Don't freak out when the Cowboys beat you.

C'mon be serious here. I look at that schedule and 5-4 is totally doable.

LOL.

I'm finally kinda starting to come down off the ledge now.

Honestly, they went 5-0 last year with no Aldon and Willis missing 2 games. It ain't gonna be easy at all, but at least they don't have only one viable WR and a gimpy TE now.

If they can stay within a game or 2, they'll get Bowman and Aldon back for a late season push and both games vs Seattle. Could be interesting.

 

[bigtrain21]

Hey Marvin, I just kind of skimmed so maybe you addressed this but how do you know that Roger didn't take the rehab into account. I have seen you mention that numerous times but you really have no way of knowing.

 

[Marvin49]

IMHO 9 games is light. If anyone here (besides any self employed) did the same thing how many would have a job at all? Sports is waaaay more forgiving of this kind of behavior. It all about the money. I think it is wrong because the sport will make its money with or without Aldon Smith.

Honestly, and this really has little to do with Aldon, I think that line of reasoning is really faulty.

First off, my employer wouldn't even know it had happened let alone thinking it's in their prevue to punish me for it. That's what the legal system is for.

I work for a Tech company and they aren't going over me record for DUIs or misdemeanors in order to levy suspensions or fines.

That may be different in other professions, but for the most part the legal system is there to take care of issues with the law. Its not on the employer to levy its own punishment.

When you were hired for your job did you sign the types of documents Aldon did? You know the ones about PERSONAL CONDUCT WHILE IN THE NFL? The one he signed that allowed for him to let the Corporation (Goodell) assign penalties above those that the law may require? Or are those the documents he would of signed that you did not?

He knew all the rules before he broke them. All the players do, from punching your wife, to smoking weed,to dui, to crashing your car into a ladies front yard while on your way to work but you fell alseep from intoxication while having the pedal full throttle, to bringing assault rifles across state lines and not know proper fire arm laws, to possibly saying you have a bomb at an airport, to have an incident at your residence where hand guns were fired in the air and someone was shot(even if the two are not related but coincidental).

Would you hope for your daughter to start dating Aldon Smith?

...couple things.

Never said that he wasn't under personal conduct policy or that he shouldn't be suspended. I was referring only to the "what would have happened in MY job if I'd done that" responses that don't hold any water. We aren't in the public eye and our employers don't levy punishment when we get a DUI or get arrested for owning illegal guns (at least most of us, depending on profession).

Not saying he should not have been suspended. My issue is the length of the suspension and the message you send by not taking rehab into account. IMO, anything that gives players with a problem a reason to go to rehab is a good thing. Not taking it into account sends the wrong message. Just MHO.

Daughters? Can't answer that. I have 2 sons. If I did, I'd be much more comfortable having them with Aldon than with Ray Rice.

 

[Brahn]

Hey Marvin, I just kind of skimmed so maybe you addressed this but how do you know that Roger didn't take the rehab into account. I have seen you mention that numerous times but you really have no way of knowing.

Asked him that in this thread also

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95408

Still awaiting a reply

 

[UK_Seahawk]

IMHO 9 games is light. If anyone here (besides any self employed) did the same thing how many would have a job at all? Sports is waaaay more forgiving of this kind of behavior. It all about the money. I think it is wrong because the sport will make its money with or without Aldon Smith.

Honestly, and this really has little to do with Aldon, I think that line of reasoning is really faulty.

First off, my employer wouldn't even know it had happened let alone thinking it's in their prevue to punish me for it. That's what the legal system is for.

I work for a Tech company and they aren't going over me record for DUIs or misdemeanors in order to levy suspensions or fines.

That may be different in other professions, but for the most part the legal system is there to take care of issues with the law. Its not on the employer to levy its own punishment.

When you were hired for your job did you sign the types of documents Aldon did? You know the ones about PERSONAL CONDUCT WHILE IN THE NFL? The one he signed that allowed for him to let the Corporation (Goodell) assign penalties above those that the law may require? Or are those the documents he would of signed that you did not?

He knew all the rules before he broke them. All the players do, from punching your wife, to smoking weed,to dui, to crashing your car into a ladies front yard while on your way to work but you fell alseep from intoxication while having the pedal full throttle, to bringing assault rifles across state lines and not know proper fire arm laws, to possibly saying you have a bomb at an airport, to have an incident at your residence where hand guns were fired in the air and someone was shot(even if the two are not related but coincidental).

Would you hope for your daughter to start dating Aldon Smith?

...couple things.

Never said that he wasn't under personal conduct policy or that he shouldn't be suspended. I was referring only to the "what would have happened in MY job if I'd done that" responses that don't hold any water. We aren't in the public eye and our employers don't levy punishment when we get a DUI or get arrested for owning illegal guns (at least most of us, depending on profession).

Not saying he should not have been suspended. My issue is the length of the suspension and the message you send by not taking rehab into account. IMO, anything that gives players with a problem a reason to go to rehab is a good thing. Not taking it into account sends the wrong message. Just MHO.

Daughters? Can't answer that. I have 2 sons. If I did, I'd be much more comfortable having them with Aldon than with Ray Rice.

As keeps getting said, maybe they did take his rehab into account, for all we know they might have originally suspended him for the year.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

...and no 49er thread on .net is complete without a "Niners time is done" post from someone. LOL.

Solid rebuttal.

Don't freak out when the Cowboys beat you.

C'mon be serious here. I look at that schedule and 5-4 is totally doable.

LOL.

I'm finally kinda starting to come down off the ledge now.

Honestly, they went 5-0 last year with no Aldon and Willis missing 2 games. It ain't gonna be easy at all, but at least they don't have only one viable WR and a gimpy TE now.

If they can stay within a game or 2, they'll get Bowman and Aldon back for a late season push and both games vs Seattle. Could be interesting.

Good. Because much as I wish it the 49ers aren't going into the tank over this. They may not win the division but they will be in the playoff hunt at worst. And likely in them to be honest.

 

[Jville]

Given that ........Harbaugh East loses his guy for 2 games.

While Harbaugh West loses his guy for 9 games.

Do these acts rekindle the east coast bias agenda?

 

[Brahn]

IMHO 9 games is light. If anyone here (besides any self employed) did the same thing how many would have a job at all? Sports is waaaay more forgiving of this kind of behavior. It all about the money. I think it is wrong because the sport will make its money with or without Aldon Smith.

Honestly, and this really has little to do with Aldon, I think that line of reasoning is really faulty.

First off, my employer wouldn't even know it had happened let alone thinking it's in their prevue to punish me for it. That's what the legal system is for.

I work for a Tech company and they aren't going over me record for DUIs or misdemeanors in order to levy suspensions or fines.

That may be different in other professions, but for the most part the legal system is there to take care of issues with the law. Its not on the employer to levy its own punishment.

When you were hired for your job did you sign the types of documents Aldon did? You know the ones about PERSONAL CONDUCT WHILE IN THE NFL? The one he signed that allowed for him to let the Corporation (Goodell) assign penalties above those that the law may require? Or are those the documents he would of signed that you did not?

He knew all the rules before he broke them. All the players do, from punching your wife, to smoking weed,to dui, to crashing your car into a ladies front yard while on your way to work but you fell alseep from intoxication while having the pedal full throttle, to bringing assault rifles across state lines and not know proper fire arm laws, to possibly saying you have a bomb at an airport, to have an incident at your residence where hand guns were fired in the air and someone was shot(even if the two are not related but coincidental).

Would you hope for your daughter to start dating Aldon Smith?

...couple things.

Never said that he wasn't under personal conduct policy or that he shouldn't be suspended. I was referring only to the "what would have happened in MY job if I'd done that" responses that don't hold any water. We aren't in the public eye and our employers don't levy punishment when we get a DUI or get arrested for owning illegal guns (at least most of us, depending on profession).

Not saying he should not have been suspended. My issue is the length of the suspension and the message you send by not taking rehab into account. IMO, anything that gives players with a problem a reason to go to rehab is a good thing. Not taking it into account sends the wrong message. Just MHO.

Daughters? Can't answer that. I have 2 sons. If I did, I'd be much more comfortable having them with Aldon than with Ray Rice.

Fair enough points bro. Only issue I still have at this point is how come you keep saying rehab wasn't taken into consideration. I have yet to see otherwise. My only guess is you feel it wasn't taken into consideration based off your preconceived number of games he would get.

 

[Shadowhawk]

Bottom line: if a harsh suspension helps get the message across to that bag of rocks on Aldon Smith's shoulders that he's got to get out of trouble and STAY out of trouble, it will benefit Smith and SF in the long run (as well as anyone he might have hurt or killed in a future incident.)

And regarding his rehab last year, I asked the following question in a previous thread but never got an answer: was he getting paid that whole time or did he lose five games' worth of paychecks? Because if he did not suffer some kind of financial penalty last year I don't see why Goodell should have taken that into account (though either way he should not have said he would or should at least give an explanation now as to why he didn't.)

I think he was paid...but you can just fine his a$$ then.

Bottom line, this suspension does nothing to encourage players with problems with alcohol to go to rehab. If they are going to lower a suspension, is that ideal? No...but if it gets them in the door that's a GOOD thing.

Not taking it into account is just stupid and serves no purpose.

Okay, fair enough. If it were, say, a six game suspension and a fine equivalent to five 2013 game checks, I'd have been okay with that. But what about you, Marvin? If you were commissioner and it was your job to impose a punishment here, what would you have given Smith?

This should have been announced weeks ago, though. There is no way a team should have to wait until one week before the season starts to get news of a suspension this serious.

 

[Marvin49]

Hey Marvin, I just kind of skimmed so maybe you addressed this but how do you know that Roger didn't take the rehab into account. I have seen you mention that numerous times but you really have no way of knowing.

Several tweets....

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn · 1h
The five games Aldon Smith missed last season while voluntarily seeking assistance for alcohol abuse did not impact his punishment

Trying to find more of them, but saw it several times.

 

[Marvin49]

Bottom line: if a harsh suspension helps get the message across to that bag of rocks on Aldon Smith's shoulders that he's got to get out of trouble and STAY out of trouble, it will benefit Smith and SF in the long run (as well as anyone he might have hurt or killed in a future incident.)

And regarding his rehab last year, I asked the following question in a previous thread but never got an answer: was he getting paid that whole time or did he lose five games' worth of paychecks? Because if he did not suffer some kind of financial penalty last year I don't see why Goodell should have taken that into account (though either way he should not have said he would or should at least give an explanation now as to why he didn't.)

I think he was paid...but you can just fine his a$$ then.

Bottom line, this suspension does nothing to encourage players with problems with alcohol to go to rehab. If they are going to lower a suspension, is that ideal? No...but if it gets them in the door that's a GOOD thing.

Not taking it into account is just stupid and serves no purpose.

Okay, fair enough. If it were, say, a six game suspension and a fine equivalent to five 2013 game checks, I'd have been okay with that. But what about you, Marvin? If you were commissioner and it was your job to impose a punishment here, what would you have given Smith?

This should have been announced weeks ago, though. There is no way a team should have to wait until one week before the season starts to get news of a suspension this serious.

...and apparently they learned of it at noon today. SMH.

The breakdown is as follows, 4 games for DUI and 5 for the gun charges. I think they should wipe the DUI, fine him 4 games checks and call that portion "time served" and issue a 5 game suspension for the gun charges.

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn · 1h
Source says Aldon Smith 9-game suspension broke down this way: 4 games substance-abuse violation, 5 games personal-conduct violations

 

[Brahn]

Hey Marvin, I just kind of skimmed so maybe you addressed this but how do you know that Roger didn't take the rehab into account. I have seen you mention that numerous times but you really have no way of knowing.

Several tweets....

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn · 1h
The five games Aldon Smith missed last season while voluntarily seeking assistance for alcohol abuse did not impact his punishment

Trying to find more of them, but saw it several times.

Okay so the 5 games did not effect the suspension length, that does not say the fact he went to rehab was not considered. Hell, maybe they were gonna give him a year but decided rehab should count.

Isn't the point of going to rehab to receive help? If you are only doing it to lessen a suspension in the future you are not really at rehab.

 

[Marvin49]

Honestly, and this really has little to do with Aldon, I think that line of reasoning is really faulty.

First off, my employer wouldn't even know it had happened let alone thinking it's in their prevue to punish me for it. That's what the legal system is for.

I work for a Tech company and they aren't going over me record for DUIs or misdemeanors in order to levy suspensions or fines.

That may be different in other professions, but for the most part the legal system is there to take care of issues with the law. Its not on the employer to levy its own punishment.

When you were hired for your job did you sign the types of documents Aldon did? You know the ones about PERSONAL CONDUCT WHILE IN THE NFL? The one he signed that allowed for him to let the Corporation (Goodell) assign penalties above those that the law may require? Or are those the documents he would of signed that you did not?

He knew all the rules before he broke them. All the players do, from punching your wife, to smoking weed,to dui, to crashing your car into a ladies front yard while on your way to work but you fell alseep from intoxication while having the pedal full throttle, to bringing assault rifles across state lines and not know proper fire arm laws, to possibly saying you have a bomb at an airport, to have an incident at your residence where hand guns were fired in the air and someone was shot(even if the two are not related but coincidental).

Would you hope for your daughter to start dating Aldon Smith?

...couple things.

Never said that he wasn't under personal conduct policy or that he shouldn't be suspended. I was referring only to the "what would have happened in MY job if I'd done that" responses that don't hold any water. We aren't in the public eye and our employers don't levy punishment when we get a DUI or get arrested for owning illegal guns (at least most of us, depending on profession).

Not saying he should not have been suspended. My issue is the length of the suspension and the message you send by not taking rehab into account. IMO, anything that gives players with a problem a reason to go to rehab is a good thing. Not taking it into account sends the wrong message. Just MHO.

Daughters? Can't answer that. I have 2 sons. If I did, I'd be much more comfortable having them with Aldon than with Ray Rice.

Fair enough points bro. Only issue I still have at this point is how come you keep saying rehab wasn't taken into consideration. I have yet to see otherwise. My only guess is you feel it wasn't taken into consideration based off your preconceived number of games he would get.

No..it was all tweeted out. Didn't assume anything.

4 games for DUI, 5 for gun charges, Rehab not factored in.

 

[Brahn]

No..it was all tweeted out. Didn't assume anything.

4 games for DUI, 5 for gun charges, Rehab not factored in.

I still see nothing about rehab not being factored in, just the 5 games he missed last year not counting. He missed those games to get better right? If he was using it to try and dodge part of his future suspension he was not really at rehab.

If we break it down do you really think he was given 1.3 games per gun? Or do you think it was higher at one point and lowered?

 

[Marvin49]

Just thought this was funny in light of everything...

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn · 1h
NFL's new disciplinary policy regarding domestic violence will not be retroactively applied. That should benefit #Panthers Greg Hardy

 

[Shadowhawk]

Bottom line: if a harsh suspension helps get the message across to that bag of rocks on Aldon Smith's shoulders that he's got to get out of trouble and STAY out of trouble, it will benefit Smith and SF in the long run (as well as anyone he might have hurt or killed in a future incident.)

And regarding his rehab last year, I asked the following question in a previous thread but never got an answer: was he getting paid that whole time or did he lose five games' worth of paychecks? Because if he did not suffer some kind of financial penalty last year I don't see why Goodell should have taken that into account (though either way he should not have said he would or should at least give an explanation now as to why he didn't.)

I think he was paid...but you can just fine his a$$ then.

Bottom line, this suspension does nothing to encourage players with problems with alcohol to go to rehab. If they are going to lower a suspension, is that ideal? No...but if it gets them in the door that's a GOOD thing.

Not taking it into account is just stupid and serves no purpose.

Okay, fair enough. If it were, say, a six game suspension and a fine equivalent to five 2013 game checks, I'd have been okay with that. But what about you, Marvin? If you were commissioner and it was your job to impose a punishment here, what would you have given Smith?

This should have been announced weeks ago, though. There is no way a team should have to wait until one week before the season starts to get news of a suspension this serious.

...and apparently they learned of it at noon today. SMH.

The breakdown is as follows, 4 games for DUI and 5 for the gun charges. I think they should wipe the DUI, fine him 4 games checks and call that portion "time served" and issue a 5 game suspension for the gun charges.

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn · 1h
Source says Aldon Smith 9-game suspension broke down this way: 4 games substance-abuse violation, 5 games personal-conduct violations

Again, fair enough. Thanks for the input.

 

[Brahn]

Just thought this was funny in light of everything...

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn · 1h
NFL's new disciplinary policy regarding domestic violence will not be retroactively applied. That should benefit #Panthers Greg Hardy

There was another person right from the east coast?

Would Talib receive punishment still even tho it was his mammy that fired at him?

 

[Marvin49]

No..it was all tweeted out. Didn't assume anything.

4 games for DUI, 5 for gun charges, Rehab not factored in.

I still see nothing about rehab not being factored in, just the 5 games he missed last year not counting. He missed those games to get better right? If he was using it to try and dodge part of his future suspension he was not really at rehab.

If we break it down do you really think he was given 1.3 games per gun? Or do you think it was higher at one point and lowered?

Who knows.

From what I heard, it was negotiated by the NFLPA and is why there is no appeal process.

From what I've read, the biggest issue was whether he'd get to spend the time with the team or had to be removed entirely.

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether they took rehab into account. I think it sets a really bad precedent.

 

[Scottemojo]

Not a doubt in my mind Aldon is paying for the Ray RIce debacle.

As for Roger not factoring the rehab, Aldon needed rehab pretty goddamm bad. Right then, in the middle of the season. Rehab was not something he could wait on. If his purpose in going was a lighter sentence from Roger, shame on him,but I don't think that was his purpose.

I hope Aldon gets it right now.