Aldon Smith apparently arrested again

[hawknation2014]

With a healthy Bradford, I think Stl is a bigger threat to SF (and us). I expect their rooks of last year, especially Ogletree on D and Austin on O /ST, to have break out years and if Stacy can duplicate last year, he alone is going to make Bradford better / healthier. They are not as far along as SF, but the Rams worry me as much, if not more, and I think Palmer will implode in this his (likely) final year for Zona. It's back to the cellar for them (imo).

I think Palmer will actually improve in his second year in that system behind a better offensive line.

But I agree about St. Louis. They are going to be tough. However, I think they're another couple years (and a new QB) away from being really good. NFC West is going to be even more insane than last year.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Isn't his gun case supposed to wrap up during this off-season?

Probably, but when football players are involved with crime they seem to allow the lawyers to make things quite convenient for the player.

One thing to consider is the weapons case being pretty much a sure thing. I can still see a deal being worked, but a stint in rehab isn't going to help the weapons charge. That is one of those deals where circumstances can't help him and there is a precedence for it.

With the state of CA having tough gun laws, the star power likely won't help Smith in that one. A felony, no questions asked. Any time the legal system gets a chance to hammer gun charges, they do it as a sign to others.

The attorney might try to get that case strung out really, really far because they know that a penalty is coming. I doubt that the state negotiates a deal that reduces it to a misdemeanor. Maybe one that cuts the jail time to nothing or very small, but gun charges are tough to beat. He either had one that was not allowed in CA or he didn't. He won't be able to say "it was a friend's gun" or claim it wasn't on his property.

Depending on where he was when he bought it, there might even be a record of him purchasing it. We will find out soon enough, but no way does Smith skate on everything.

 

[rlkats]

I get the feeling that Smith will be starting come week one. That court stuff will be pending when the season starts and that Harbafreak will give him the nod until he can't.

As far as the Cards go? They are going to need to be a lot more consistent for me to believe that they are at the SF/SEA level of football. They might make some noise but I wouldn't be surprised if they got swept by the Hawks and Niners in 2014. Sure, they beat the Hawks at home, but Seattle wins that game 9 out of 10 times.

Ya your right vi guess that's why they say any given Sunday. NFCW is down right good

 

[Sports Hernia]

I get the feeling that Smith will be starting come week one. That court stuff will be pending when the season starts and that Harbafreak will give him the nod until he can't.

As far as the Cards go? They are going to need to be a lot more consistent for me to believe that they are at the SF/SEA level of football. They might make some noise but I wouldn't be surprised if they got swept by the Hawks and Niners in 2014. Sure, they beat the Hawks at home, but Seattle wins that game 9 out of 10 times.

Ya your right vi guess that's why they say any given Sunday. NFCW is down right good

Best division in football, that's why the NFC champs have come from this division the last 2 years, and will for the next few years IMHO.

 

[dunceface]

Isn't his gun case supposed to wrap up during this off-season?

Probably, but when football players are involved with crime they seem to allow the lawyers to make things quite convenient for the player.

One thing to consider is the weapons case being pretty much a sure thing. I can still see a deal being worked, but a stint in rehab isn't going to help the weapons charge. That is one of those deals where circumstances can't help him and there is a precedence for it.

With the state of CA having tough gun laws, the star power likely won't help Smith in that one. A felony, no questions asked. Any time the legal system gets a chance to hammer gun charges, they do it as a sign to others.

The attorney might try to get that case strung out really, really far because they know that a penalty is coming. I doubt that the state negotiates a deal that reduces it to a misdemeanor. Maybe one that cuts the jail time to nothing or very small, but gun charges are tough to beat. He either had one that was not allowed in CA or he didn't. He won't be able to say "it was a friend's gun" or claim it wasn't on his property.

Depending on where he was when he bought it, there might even be a record of him purchasing it. We will find out soon enough, but no way does Smith skate on everything.

Yeah good point on having little to no wiggle room and I imagine that will complicate things with this current charge once it comes around...

Do you think there will be any similarities to the Plaxico Burress situation that we can expect?

 

[Fuzzman55]

It seems the Niners didn't have to relocate to Santa Clara after all.

 

[dunceface]

They also revealed who they are targeting with the 30th pick in the draft...

 

[RolandDeschain]

I wonder if Aldon's attorney plans to use the dreaded Chewbacca defense?

 

[RolandDeschain]

A new logo for the Santa Clara 49ers was just leaked.

 

[NINEster]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but if I'm York / Baalke, I'm on the phone with 31 teams by tomorrow. The Niners have no choice, it will be a PR nightmare if they don't make a stand. Someone out there will take a chance on Smith. He is just too good and reports suggest he's a reasonably nice guy...just "incredibly dumb".

It will NEVER happen and the Niners would NEVER allow it to happen, but if Aldon was willing to cut his pay in half (and he may have to) I'd offer SF our 2nd for him. Again, I know this won't happen but imagine having Smith coming off the edge for us. 14 PPG would probably see us go *undefeated.

*except, perhaps a couple of the 8 games Goodell will likely be handing down to Aldon Smith IF he was in fact inebriated. If he was not drunk or high, I don't see this as a huge deal and anything more than 1 game would be excessive, IMO, and I doubt he gets (significant) jail time. If I were the judge, for his own benefit I would give him 1 year and would defer all but 10 days. I would also give him a 3 year probation with random tests for drugs and alcohol. If he pisses dirty even once, he serves that year in county.

Smith has loads of issues, is frustrating his fans, teammates, coaches, FO and is on a shorter and shorter leash.

However, getting rid of him isn't the move.

The reality is you can't let your best players go that easily. Believe me, if this was Thomas or Sherman, you'd be putting up with quite a lot before really walking the walk in releasing them.

Unless it's murder , confirmed rape, or hit and run vehicular homicide, there's no obvious decision here.

PR is one thing, but teams do what has to be done within limits to keep the best roster. Dumping Smith to appease self righteous media critics will not win any favors in the long run anyways.

And you will have then lost your best player, and possibly added strength to a foe. The 49ers wish they could take back their Charles Haley trade partner.

 

[Tech Worlds]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but if I'm York / Baalke, I'm on the phone with 31 teams by tomorrow. The Niners have no choice, it will be a PR nightmare if they don't make a stand. Someone out there will take a chance on Smith. He is just too good and reports suggest he's a reasonably nice guy...just "incredibly dumb".

It will NEVER happen and the Niners would NEVER allow it to happen, but if Aldon was willing to cut his pay in half (and he may have to) I'd offer SF our 2nd for him. Again, I know this won't happen but imagine having Smith coming off the edge for us. 14 PPG would probably see us go *undefeated.

*except, perhaps a couple of the 8 games Goodell will likely be handing down to Aldon Smith IF he was in fact inebriated. If he was not drunk or high, I don't see this as a huge deal and anything more than 1 game would be excessive, IMO, and I doubt he gets (significant) jail time. If I were the judge, for his own benefit I would give him 1 year and would defer all but 10 days. I would also give him a 3 year probation with random tests for drugs and alcohol. If he pisses dirty even once, he serves that year in county.

Smith has loads of issues, is frustrating his fans, teammates, coaches, FO and is on a shorter and shorter leash.

However, getting rid of him isn't the move.

The reality is you can't let your best players go that easily. Believe me, if this was Thomas or Sherman, you'd be putting up with quite a lot before really walking the walk in releasing them.

Unless it's murder , confirmed rape, or hit and run vehicular homicide, there's no obvious decision here.

PR is one thing, but teams do what has to be done within limits to keep the best roster. Dumping Smith to appease self righteous media critics will not win any favors in the long run anyways.

And you will have then lost your best player, and possibly added strength to a foe. The 49ers wish they could take back their Charles Haley trade partner.

Exactly. As much as all the Homers on this board are saying to cut him loose, (because it helps us) it's just not going to happen unless it gets much worse. This probably helps the ninners long term as its going to beat the price down on an extremely good player.

 

[TXHawk]

You know you're having a rough offseason when trading for Blaine Gabbert is the highlight of it.

I would just like to reiterate how important this post is.

And you just know there has to be a small group of die-hard gabbert homers that have now signed on to the niner forums and are driving everyone crazy.

Something along the lines of "Everyone SERIOUSLY undervalues Gabbert, he has elite skills and measurables, he was on the worst team in the league, with the SF o-line and receivers, he could be elite!"

...that sort of thing?

"If insert name of favorite QB here played for the Seahawks with Marshawn Lynch and that defense he would have won the Super Bowl, too."

That claim is pretty much a staple of NFL forums so I'm sure some die-hard Gabbert fan has made it at some point. Maybe his Mom.

 

[-The Glove-]

 

[Marvin49]

Isn't his gun case supposed to wrap up during this off-season?

Probably, but when football players are involved with crime they seem to allow the lawyers to make things quite convenient for the player.

One thing to consider is the weapons case being pretty much a sure thing. I can still see a deal being worked, but a stint in rehab isn't going to help the weapons charge. That is one of those deals where circumstances can't help him and there is a precedence for it.

With the state of CA having tough gun laws, the star power likely won't help Smith in that one. A felony, no questions asked. Any time the legal system gets a chance to hammer gun charges, they do it as a sign to others.

The attorney might try to get that case strung out really, really far because they know that a penalty is coming. I doubt that the state negotiates a deal that reduces it to a misdemeanor. Maybe one that cuts the jail time to nothing or very small, but gun charges are tough to beat. He either had one that was not allowed in CA or he didn't. He won't be able to say "it was a friend's gun" or claim it wasn't on his property.

Depending on where he was when he bought it, there might even be a record of him purchasing it. We will find out soon enough, but no way does Smith skate on everything.

I really don't know the law well enough to argue your point too strongly, but what you are saying goes against just about every legal opinion I've read on the subject.

As I understand it, the way the law is written is that it would have to be proven that he knowingly went to Arizona to buy the guns in an effort to circumvent the law in CA. Most lawyers I've read who have written about it were a bit surprised he was charged at all with respect to the guns because he was attacked that night and the guns were only found when the police searched the property. It isn't normal that the police are called to the house of a man that was stabbed in his home and then he gets charged for the guns he owns in his closet. That doesn't make them legal, but they wouldn't typically be charged.

Those same lawyers seem to think that the Gun Charge was added in attempt to get a better plea deal in the DUI case and that the gun charge will likely be dropped. Very difficult to prove. It also a response to the Police Department having egg on its face after inviting Aldon and other team members to a Police Function at a shooting range AFTER the incident.

As I said...I don't completely understand the law but the people I've read on the subject who do understand the law don't seem to think the gun charge will stick. I'm not justifying what he's done...just sayin' I don't think its going to turn out the way you think it does.

Just on a side note, and this isn't to you specifically...but its not like Aldon has broken new ground here (ok...maybe saying bomb in an Airport is new. LOL). Marshawn Lynch was no angel in Buffalo. Hit and Run. DUI. Felony Gun possession. There was a reason the Bills were willing to get rid of him. This isn't a slam on Lynch as I'm a Cal Bear fan and I've always liked the guy. I'm just saying that players can start out as knuckleheads and turn themselves around. I just hope it doesn't require him being released to figure it out. If you don't believe me about Lynch BTW...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3909366

 

[Sterling Archer]

Lynch had to leave the team he was on at the time in order to "change his ways". Not a great sign for the niners and Aldon continuing a copacetic relationship. Additionally, as much as Aldon isn't sowing new ground, it's a CURRENT concern for the niners, whereas Lynch isn't one for the Seahawks, so nice try in making yourself feel better I suppose.

 

[Marvin49]

Lynch had to leave the team he was on at the time in order to "change his ways". Not a great sign for the niners and Aldon continuing a copacetic relationship. Additionally, as much as Aldon isn't sowing new ground, it's a CURRENT concern for the niners, whereas Lynch isn't one for the Seahawks, so nice try in making yourself feel better I suppose.

LOL.

That's my exact concern. I just hope the lightbulb goes on before he needs to change addresses. My fear is that it won't.

 

[dunceface]

Lynch had to leave the team he was on at the time in order to "change his ways". Not a great sign for the niners and Aldon continuing a copacetic relationship. Additionally, as much as Aldon isn't sowing new ground, it's a CURRENT concern for the niners, whereas Lynch isn't one for the Seahawks, so nice try in making yourself feel better I suppose.

LOL.

That's my exact concern. I just hope the lightbulb goes on before he needs to change addresses. My fear is that it won't.

And just because we've had players do similar things in their past doesn't mean we can't enjoy your teams current felonious meltdown :th2thumbs:

 

[RichNhansom]

Isn't his gun case supposed to wrap up during this off-season?

Probably, but when football players are involved with crime they seem to allow the lawyers to make things quite convenient for the player.

One thing to consider is the weapons case being pretty much a sure thing. I can still see a deal being worked, but a stint in rehab isn't going to help the weapons charge. That is one of those deals where circumstances can't help him and there is a precedence for it.

With the state of CA having tough gun laws, the star power likely won't help Smith in that one. A felony, no questions asked. Any time the legal system gets a chance to hammer gun charges, they do it as a sign to others.

The attorney might try to get that case strung out really, really far because they know that a penalty is coming. I doubt that the state negotiates a deal that reduces it to a misdemeanor. Maybe one that cuts the jail time to nothing or very small, but gun charges are tough to beat. He either had one that was not allowed in CA or he didn't. He won't be able to say "it was a friend's gun" or claim it wasn't on his property.

Depending on where he was when he bought it, there might even be a record of him purchasing it. We will find out soon enough, but no way does Smith skate on everything.

I really don't know the law well enough to argue your point too strongly, but what you are saying goes against just about every legal opinion I've read on the subject.

As I understand it, the way the law is written is that it would have to be proven that he knowingly went to Arizona to buy the guns in an effort to circumvent the law in CA. Most lawyers I've read who have written about it were a bit surprised he was charged at all with respect to the guns because he was attacked that night and the guns were only found when the police searched the property. It isn't normal that the police are called to the house of a man that was stabbed in his home and then he gets charged for the guns he owns in his closet. That doesn't make them legal, but they wouldn't typically be charged.

Those same lawyers seem to think that the Gun Charge was added in attempt to get a better plea deal in the DUI case and that the gun charge will likely be dropped. Very difficult to prove. It also a response to the Police Department having egg on its face after inviting Aldon and other team members to a Police Function at a shooting range AFTER the incident.

As I said...I don't completely understand the law but the people I've read on the subject who do understand the law don't seem to think the gun charge will stick. I'm not justifying what he's done...just sayin' I don't think its going to turn out the way you think it does.

Just on a side note, and this isn't to you specifically...but its not like Aldon has broken new ground here (ok...maybe saying bomb in an Airport is new. LOL). Marshawn Lynch was no angel in Buffalo. Hit and Run. DUI. Felony Gun possession. There was a reason the Bills were willing to get rid of him. This isn't a slam on Lynch as I'm a Cal Bear fan and I've always liked the guy. I'm just saying that players can start out as knuckleheads and turn themselves around. I just hope it doesn't require him being released to figure it out. If you don't believe me about Lynch BTW...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3909366

Besides all these things being spaced out in time frames unlike Aldon, Lynch didn't injure someone and then flee the scene. He was in a crowded situation where someone claimed he hit them and he went home parked in front of his house and the police officer stated he looked genuinely surprised when the questioned him about it. There was no damage to his car and it wasn't like he tried to hide the vehicle like you would expect someone who just hit someone.

The gun charge was stupid but that was a lifetime ago and he didn't shoot it into a crowd to try and scare people. his DUI was reduced because he blew right at the legal limit. Not nearly twice the limit like Aldon and they didn't find a pot pipe in his center console and prescription drugs too. Not to mention he wasn't passed out cold with his foot smashed to the accelerator while being smashed up against a tree in a residential neighborhood at 7:30 in the morning when kids were going to school and a repeat offender. How long was it between DUI's for Aldon? 8 months?

Trying to use Lynch as an example just makes you look like a complete idiot. There is no justification in the world to compare Lynch's ancient history to Aldon's continuous special Olympics brain power. You must be spending to much time on the webzone justifying Aldon's ignorance. I imagine you are probably typing with your knuckles by now with having worn your fingers down so far from the spinning and manipulating you constantly do to justify your criminal filled team.

How does it feel to look up to the Raiders and Bengals as teams that are better than you? At least off the field anyway.

 

[Sports Hernia]

^thats some ownage right there^ :th2thumbs:

 

[loafoftatupu]

Um Marvin.

California law says that if you have a non conforming weapon in your possession, that is not legal in the state of CA, that you broke the law unless you can prove that gun was registered by the owner before a date in 2005. A weapon of such nature (like Smith's) can be possessed in the state if the DOJ has granted an exemption (not typical)

So.. if Smith either had the DOJ approval, or registered the gun prior to 2005, he can have it. Doesn't matter if he fired it or not, if he doesn't have the conditions met, he committed a felony. There are many that find CA laws unconstitutional, including me, but states can do that and punish accordingly. So regardless of what you read about the case and him beating the rap, the fact remains.

It's that simple. If you want to go down the point of possession and argue that, be my guest, but in the regular world CA is a nasty place to get a gun charge like that. Maybe he has a revolutionary case and argues 2nd Amendment shit, maybe he makes a deal, but it isn't getting dropped and if he goes to trial, he will lose.