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Personally, I have no idea, only time will tell ...
Personally, I have no idea, only time will tell ...
Hawk_Nation":1ea7i3ru said:Hmm..
Don't see how this can be worse than the Niners trading back into the 1st round, giving up 3 picks, for a player that probably would have been there when they picked in the 2nd.
Hawk_Nation":2twqolha said:Hmm..
Don't see how this can be worse than the Niners trading back into the 1st round, giving up 3 picks, for a player that probably would have been there when they picked in the 2nd.
Hawk_Nation":2n304i9z said:Hmm..
Don't see how this can be worse than the Niners trading back into the 1st round, giving up 3 picks, for a player that probably would have been there when they picked in the 2nd.
Hass2Carlson":aozrklqn said:Well he was the last pick, so in theory, shouldn't he be the worst pick?
1. Seattle Seahawks: Germain Ifedi, OT, Texas A&M
To say we differed from the Seahawks’ assessment of Ifedi, their selection at No. 31 overall, is an understatement. Ifedi had a sixth-round grade on our big board and was our 12th overall tackle in the class. He simply did not grade well at all, finishing with a negative pass-blocking grade a season ago. Sure, he is strong, and has a fantastic frame for the position, but his technique is nowhere near an NFL level yet. It will take him a few years to even get to an NFL starter’s level, and then at that point the Seahawks will have to break out the checkbook for his second contract.
Popeyejones":3nbvzmg5 said:Hawk_Nation":3nbvzmg5 said:Hmm..
Don't see how this can be worse than the Niners trading back into the 1st round, giving up 3 picks, for a player that probably would have been there when they picked in the 2nd.
If so you're not going to hear that from PFF b/c they had Garnett graded insanely highly.
Efedi also isn't going to do well in PFF's grading because he's more athelete than football player at this point.
Basically the Seahawks' drafting strategy and PFF's grading seem to be more or less antithetical to each other.
If you think of the Seahawks drafting as being SPARQ based, they're trying to find value by drafting athletes who they then try to coach into football players (i.e. measurables >>> performance).
PFF on the other hand, doesn't give a rat about measurables, and instead, the argument would go, finds value by only caring about performance and not caring at all about what a guy does in shorts or if he looks the part or not (i.e. performance >>>> measurables).
If you take this back to Garnett and Ifedi you can see the effects of the different approaches.
Garnett just destroys people while run blocking and is really technically sound, but is pretty fat and sloppy looking and will never jump out of the gym.
Ifedi looks the part in every way and he's testing off the charts, but really needs to develop his football skills.
Not claiming that one is better than the other, but it's definitely two ways to think about value.
Hawk_Nation":r9xn6trs said:Well apparently the Niners didn't listed to Anthony Davis when he tweeted that they should choose an OT.
For a team with so many holes, it really doesn't make any sense to trade up for what 10 picks.
Popeyejones":2nxcopi2 said:Hawk_Nation":2nxcopi2 said:Hmm..
Don't see how this can be worse than the Niners trading back into the 1st round, giving up 3 picks, for a player that probably would have been there when they picked in the 2nd.
If so you're not going to hear that from PFF b/c they had Garnett graded insanely highly.
Efedi also isn't going to do well in PFF's grading because he's more athelete than football player at this point.
Basically the Seahawks' drafting strategy and PFF's grading seem to be more or less antithetical to each other.
If you think of the Seahawks drafting as being SPARQ based, they're trying to find value by drafting athletes who they then try to coach into football players (i.e. measurables >>> performance).
PFF on the other hand, doesn't give a rat about measurables, and instead, the argument would go, finds value by only caring about performance and not caring at all about what a guy does in shorts or if he looks the part or not (i.e. performance >>>> measurables).
If you take this back to Garnett and Ifedi you can see the effects of the different approaches.
Garnett just destroys people while run blocking and is really technically sound, but is pretty fat and sloppy looking and will never jump out of the gym.
Ifedi looks the part in every way and he's testing off the charts, but really needs to develop his football skills.
Not claiming that one is better than the other, but it's definitely two ways to think about value.
hawknation2016":3pcme6up said:Popeyejones":3pcme6up said:Hawk_Nation":3pcme6up said:Hmm..
Don't see how this can be worse than the Niners trading back into the 1st round, giving up 3 picks, for a player that probably would have been there when they picked in the 2nd.
If so you're not going to hear that from PFF b/c they had Garnett graded insanely highly.
Efedi also isn't going to do well in PFF's grading because he's more athelete than football player at this point.
Basically the Seahawks' drafting strategy and PFF's grading seem to be more or less antithetical to each other.
If you think of the Seahawks drafting as being SPARQ based, they're trying to find value by drafting athletes who they then try to coach into football players (i.e. measurables >>> performance).
PFF on the other hand, doesn't give a rat about measurables, and instead, the argument would go, finds value by only caring about performance and not caring at all about what a guy does in shorts or if he looks the part or not (i.e. performance >>>> measurables).
If you take this back to Garnett and Ifedi you can see the effects of the different approaches.
Garnett just destroys people while run blocking and is really technically sound, but is pretty fat and sloppy looking and will never jump out of the gym.
Ifedi looks the part in every way and he's testing off the charts, but really needs to develop his football skills.
Not claiming that one is better than the other, but it's definitely two ways to think about value.
As PFF correctly noted in their scouting report, Garnett was destroyed by the best defensive lineman he faced, DeForest Buckner. Playing in the Pac-12 over the last few years, he just did not face as many specular defensive line athletes as an offensive lineman in the SEC.
Yet, PFF's grading system in no way accounts this. If a lineman does well on a play, he gets a plus grade. If he does something bad, like allowing a pressure, he gets dinged. PFF fails to account for disparity in competition when assigning grades. That becomes more obvious as they move from the general parity of the NFL to the profound disparity of college competition.
It was not a bad pick by the Whiners, but we will have to wait and see how Garnett holds up in pass pro in the big leagues.