49ers forfeit 5th round pick

[Jville]

I thought this was maybe a good place to ask this question.

I’m at a complete loss when I try to figure out how San Francisco can fit all these contracts under the cap???? They have the best left tackle in the league, the highest paid defensive player in bosa , the 2nd best TE, Hargrave, ward, Kyle j, mccaffery , green law and Warner and more. An embarrassment of riches. They seem to never lose anyone while the chiefs have to let tackles and wr’s walk all the time because of the cap.

Is lynch a genius?

Are they kicking the can down the road and in terrible shape financially in the future??

Can someone explain to me what specifically they’ve done to get these guys all under the cap?

Thanks!

Contract structure. Backend loaded. Their current cap space for 2025 is about $39 million over the projected 2025 cap.

After this season, they will pressure selected players to take less than agreed to for 2025 or trade selected players.

 

[Kinger95]

If purdy makes say 55 mill a year it shows bosa cap goes way up too. How do you afford to keep ward or hufanunga too?

 

[MORGULON]

Funny how I have mentioned several times that it seems sketchy how the Niners and Rams don't seem to have a Cap.

This is going back to the 80s and that little sketchy dude playing GM for them. (Miners)

 

[hawkfan68]

This is going back to the 80s and that little sketchy dude playing GM for them. (Miners)

Are you referring to the time when Eddie DeBartolo owned them? That was Carmen Policy, I believe.

 

[bileever]

Having your franchise quarterback on a cheap 7th round salary helps a lot. They've also drafted well, and have had a number of good players on rookie contracts. It helps that they aren't overpaying any mediocre players (like we were/are--Adams, Jones, etc). And they made some tough decisions to let some players go, like DeForest Buckner and some players on their O line.

 

[Lagartixa]

They cheat. They have no cap. Same as the Rams.

You keep asserting this, but every time you're asked to provide any evidence, you fail to produce any. I've even challenged you to do something even easier than providing actual evidence by asking you simply to point out anything, just one thing, even remotely suspicious in the Rams' and 49ers' cap maneuvers, and you've failed to come up with even one example of something suspicious on their caps.

All the information you need about the cap hits from every contract in the league is availably publicly. Two sites that collect cap-relevant information and make it available free are overthecap.com and spotrac.com.

But once again, you'll fail to provide a single example of anything even suspicious (much less something actually against the rules), because your frequent assertions about the Rams' and 49ers' caps basically come down to "I don't understand the salary cap, so the teams I don't like must be cheating."

But don't bother asking, you'll get told you're crazy.

If you indeed get told you're crazy, it's because you keep making unfounded accusations of cheating, and when asked for evidence or even anything that looks suspicious, you fail to provide even a single example. But you don't let getting humiliated repeatedly by failing to provide evidence stop you from continuing to make your unfounded accusations, even though you know in your heart of hearts they're false. That's pretty crazy, so if the shoe fits...

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I don't care what you think, it's that simple. I think they're shady. That's my right. Believe what you want, I'll believe what I want.

 

[Lagartixa]

I don't care what you think, it's that simple. I think they're shady. That's my right. Believe what you want, I'll believe what I want.

It's not a matter of opinion. Either the Rams and 49ers do things on the cap other teams are not allowed to do or they don't. You routinely make these accusations, and when asked for evidence you basically admit you know they're false because you don't even try to meet the reduced standard I offered you of showing just one example of something that looks like it might be suspicious in the 49ers and Rams' cap management. You're even further from meeting the standard you'd have to reach to morally justify your accusations, which would be a single example (each) of the Rams and 49ers getting away with cap maneuvers other teams wouldn't be allowed to do.

If you continue to insist on this even when confronted with the fact that there is no reason to believe the Rams and 49ers are cheating on the cap, that will make you a liar and a maker of false accusations. Is that really who you want to be? Knowingly making false accusations just because you don't like the teams? Do you do that kind of thing in real life? When you have a disagreement with a person or you are treated badly by a person or you just don't like a person, do you go around telling other people nasty lies about that person?

The first laws in the Code of Hammurabi are about false accusations. One of the Ten Commandments, too. Most countries have laws about multiple forms of false accusations with penalties that include prison time. There appears to be near-universal agreement worldwide that false accusations are bad for society, from as far back as we have recorded laws and all the way up to the world of today.

Now if you do ever provide some kind of evidence that the 49ers or Rams are getting away with cheating on the cap, I'll be howling for justice. At this point, I consider the probability of you providing evidence to be below 5%. In most societies, the burden of proof is on the accuser, and in ours, each person is to be considered innoocent until proven guilty. So if you have no evidence nor even anything that suggests actual cheating, there's no reason for us to talk about those teams cheating, and discussion of their cap management should instead focus on what they've done right. For the 49ers to still be in the shape they are now after what they gave up for Trey Lance is impressive. Sure, lucking into Purdy at the very end of the draft helps, but there are genuine lessons to be learned from how they've managed their roster and draft picks, and you can bet other front offices are studying it.

 

[Lagartixa]

I don't care what you think, it's that simple. I think they're shady. That's my right. Believe what you want, I'll believe what I want.

I'll say this for the NFL: if they're twisting the salary-cap rules to favor the 49ers and Rams, they're frickin' geniuses, because they've managed to hide the favoritism so well that nobody can find signs of anything even suspicious about how those teams manage their salary caps.

 

[chris98251]

Not long ago the 49ers were busted for paying players thru secondary businesses, Carmin Policy and Fast Eddie Debartolo were caught years ago, Policy was also caught when in Cleveland doing shenanigans, they have a history of creative endeavors to pay players. The same family owns them, if they have done it before then you can have suspicion of them possibly doing something again. It takes suspicion to have an investigation.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

Due to accounting irregularities, the 49ers will be penalized by forfeiting their 5th round pick in 2025:

Niners to forfeit 2025 fifth-round pick as result of administrative payroll accounting errors

The league determined that it was a technical screw-up and the 49ers were not trying to circumvent the salary cap. I assume that if they were trying to do something more nefarious that it would have been a bigger penalty.

Or they would’ve gotten away with it and we wouldn’t hear about it. I like when it’s that way. Feels more American.

 

[94Smith]

If purdy makes say 55 mill a year it shows bosa cap goes way up too. How do you afford to keep ward or hufanunga too?

Hufuanga will be gone and they already have drafted repalcements in Malik Mustapha and Ji Ayir Brown. Mooney Ward will also be gone. Second rounder Renardo Green showed promise in preseason but its early

 

[MORGULON]

I bet all teams have attempted to get creative regarding salary cap . Where it gets noticed , is when good teams are able to sustain their success season after season.
I'm sure it has been done and will be again , and I'm not just speaking about SF.

This became an actual thing when they decided to go with a salary cap. It was supposedly brought in to make it more fair for the smaller markets , but I think it was more for salary control.

No, I have nothing to support my view, I just talk shite.

 

[bigskydoc]

There are salary cap professionals, on 31 other teams, who’s entire job is structuring their own salary cap and examining what every other team is doing with their salary cap, dissecting exactly where every penny of the Niners cap is going.

You’re telling me that these people, who will take advantage of every small quirk in the rules to gain a competitive advantage, are somehow all completely looking the other way when the Niners are “cheating the salary cap rules?”

It’s excruciating to see how well the Niners have drafted, and constructed their roster, but it’s pretty obvious how they have “gotten away with it.”

Keep in mind, Shanahan and Lynch were just one roll of the Purdy-Lance die away from being considered awful at this draft and cap game. The biggest draft screw up in recent history, redeemed by the best draft call in recent history. Everything else they have done would have been interpreted through the “yes, but the Lance draft” lens.

 

[MORGULON]

There are salary cap professionals, on 31 other teams, who’s entire job is structuring their own salary cap and examining what every other team is doing with their salary cap, dissecting exactly where every penny of the Niners cap is going.

You’re telling me that these people, who will take advantage of every small quirk in the rules to gain a competitive advantage, are somehow all completely looking the other way when the Niners are “cheating the salary cap rules?”

It’s excruciating to see how well the Niners have drafted, and constructed their roster, but it’s pretty obvious how they have “gotten away with it.”

Keep in mind, Shanahan and Lynch were just one roll of the Purdy-Lance die away from being considered awful at this draft and cap game. The biggest draft screw up in recent history, redeemed by the best draft call in recent history. Everything else they have done would have been interpreted through the “yes, but the Lance draft” lens.

Excellent post as usual .

I think our shared hatred for SF influences the general sentiment that " 49ers are cheating" when in fact they've just been kicking ace for recent memory. They have drafted damn well. And yes, I hate them for it.

Oh yeah , Los Angeles could be looked at the same way. With that coach etc. they're always formidable.I have a strong dislike/respect
for them but not like when Fischer was there , I kinda wanted them to get leprosy.