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All this talk about cream rising to the top...

You do realize that the mistake that Pete made, that essentially undermined his entire philosophy (but that now he can get back to) was what Sherm, Baldwin, and others pointed out 8 years ago and what our loss in the Superbowl made crystal clear. That the compete mantra and the idea that the best man woukd be on the field and accountability ruled was mocked by Pete's coddling of Russ. You can't pitch 'compete, scrap and fight',, when the 'coaches son' can do what he wants, and despite what teammates know to be true week in and week out (that some players can do what they want, how they want because they are praised by the coach and beloved by the media), things aren't changed.

Bit how can you change them when on the surface, the guy that needs to pick up his game is MR Franchise. You can't.
Pete and this team have been stuck in this post LOB and Beast Mode malaise for 6 years. Never quite succeeding under the Wilson flag, but nonetheless charging ahead, all the while, subtle cracks forming that culminated in the Sh!t$how that has been the last almost 3 years. Russ was our Qb but he wasn't the leader of the team. He never had the kind of character that guys could rally around. Yes. When he went into Russ mode and completely abandoned the playbook, we could do great things. But tye credit for that, by virtue of the fact that he didn't rely on his teammates actually doig their job to get the W (although they did), wasn't shared. Tyler got his press. Dk got his when he'd see the ball. But it was all too often NOT a result of them executing the way the were supposed to, but rather being where Russ wanted them to be based on his play.

That's not team ball. There's little reward for doing your job correctly. No accomplishment. Just a guy making plays and seeking out the dudes he needs to do that.

And Pete neutering criticism of Russ and declawing his defense during its peak was a massive mistake. It seeded resentment and likely dulled the edge the group played with. Defense requires aggression, anger. Russ was optimistic... and awkward. Pete went with the strange optimism ( separation is in the preparation... ) in shaping the team after 2016.

So nit competing and not playing with an edge has been a result of catering to a player that was untouchable, and in his later years, more consumed with his own identity than the teams - a qb who didn't command the same respect, by virtue of his own persona, and failed to get guys to fall in behind him.

How many other starting qbs have backups that get more love from their teammates than they do? TJack was praised and beloved and in a brief stint at atarting, Geno saw a swell of respect and support.

The fracture of this team is reflected in the broken nature of what our offense was. You'd never sit Russ because he could make things go, put up HOF stats on his own, and still won, but in ways only he could, to the detriment to the 'team' contributing, succeeding, and coming together in support of eachother and belief in the unit. The collateral damage was never seen to be 'damaging' enough that it warranted turning out the lights on the magic that Russ could wield - the spectacular wins, the stat sheet, and the idea that if we could only tweek this or that just a bit, we could get back to the big dance. We were close for a long time, but at the end, overestimated our ability to overcome the fatal flaws in the culture and strategy that Pete allowed to persist and Russ relished in.

The idea of trading Russ was always hard because he was the golden child. League star. Face of the franchise. So the skeletons were pushed to the back of the closet and discontent, quietly pushed aside.

The cream will rise to the top and the leadership is certainly there. Diggs and Adams don't have to worry about taking a back seat to the Wilson Wagon and likely biting their tongues at the obvious flaws they had to watch on the other side of the ball week in and week out. Not saying a word when their QB woukd say to the world in a postbgane presser that the issue with the team wasnt on his sude if the ball... because they were putting up points... do you think Sherm woukd have let that fly? Bennet? Do you think Russ woukd have said it if they were there or if Pete hadn't quietly condoned his behavior?

Brooks and Taylor wont have to stand behind the quiet leadership of Wagner - a guy I absolutely love, but was never the leader during the LOB days and was reluctant in stepping into the position after that group left.

In an odd way, the subtraction of the teams top two stars will have the equivalent effect of lifting the lid off a simmering pot and turning up the heat. The personalities and culture that was result of those two players will yield the fire the team has been missing.

The attitude will be back. The punishing running and fast defense will be there. And the contributions from rookies who run around with their hair on fire will come again. There's room again for more personality than just Wilson. When you understand why it left in the first place, it's not hard to predict.

What's best, and you could see this last year - even if / when either Lock or Geno struggle, I sincerely believe that there will be support for them and a commitment to pick up the slack in a way we haven't seen in a while. Simple 'team' culture support and execution. We haven't had that. Why would we have when the Seahawks were a one man show, and the HC permitted it.
Pete sold his soul to one Russell Wilson, when he finally realize, it was too late,like a drug addict failing to quit.
 
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We are rank #32 in the league, that ought to make some folks ecstatic, Christmas came early for TeamRuss.
32. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
When you remove Russell Wilson from the equation in Seattle, it becomes immediately apparent how bad the situation around him had become over the years, with Wilson’s play hiding the true extent of the damage. It doesn’t help that the quarterback competition between Drew Lock and Geno Smith represents the worst quarterback situation in the league. We have become accustomed to thinking of Seatte as a playoff contender, but that was only a constant as long as their quarterback was elite, and that’s far from the case now.
 

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We are rank #32 in the league, that ought to make some folks ecstatic, Christmas came early for TeamRuss.
I don't agree with this ranking but 'most' media outlets and Sportsbooks have the Sehawks in the bottom 8. It's not that fans here are being unreasonable with some of the less flattering predictions for 2022. Predicting a .500 or better record seems very optimistic.
 

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this seems about right to me. A bad defence coupled with the worst QB in the league. Thats a recipie for a terrible season. I see this as one long preseason. line out what you have, get a great draft postition and draft your next franchise QB while rebuilding your defense to some semblance of competency.
 

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Our strength of schedule is .014 percentage points from the 16 spot (middle of the pack).

Falcons
Lions
Saints
Jets
Panthers

We also catch the Cards without Hopkins.

3 of those games are in the first 4. Something to be said for momentum and confidence if we can pull W's.

And if we are going to take credit away from Geno for beating the Jags last year... you know who's defense was worse than theirs? The Jets, the lions and the Falcons. The Panthers were only slightly better, same with the Giants. Will they be better? Probably. But likely not to start the season.

And I'm not buying the Broncos hype at all.

That's 5 gimme games and 2 reasonably winnable.

We aren't going 0 for 10 in the others.

Even Jim Mora's team won 5 games and they were an unmitigated disaster.
youre assuming that you have at least competent QB play. You don't. You dont win games in the NFL with bottom 3 QB play.
 

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youre assuming that you have at least competent QB play. You don't. You dont win games in the NFL with bottom 3 QB play.

Bottom three according to you. The one guy who actually played for us, only started 3 games, completed 68% of his passes and had a 5to1 td ratio. And in 3 of those games, was sacked only once.

In what universe is that bottom 3 qb play?

And Lock had thr league talking about hie great he was the last time he started in a Waldron styled offense.

If you want to be doom and gloom, then at least bring something other than Geno sucks and Lock is terrible. Both have shown that they aren't when playing in the offense Shane runs. And neither in the history of their careers have had tge weapons at their disposal that they will here, nor the coaching.
 

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being realistic isnt "doom and gloom" its called reality. Geno is a backup. Not a very good back up at that, in fact a garbage one. Lock will clearly be the starter. Lock is young and could improve but its unlikely. If you watched Geno play last year and saw anything other than an ineffective back up QB without any shot at influencing a game positively then I just don't know what to tell you. Nobody has drew lock rated anywhere but the bottom 5 starters in the league. NOBODY. You cant win games with garbage QB play.
 

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being realistic isnt "doom and gloom" its called reality. Geno is a backup. Not a very good back up at that, in fact a garbage one. Lock will clearly be the starter. Lock is young and could improve but its unlikely. If you watched Geno play last year and saw anything other than an ineffective back up QB without any shot at influencing a game positively then I just don't know what to tell you. Nobody has drew lock rated anywhere but the bottom 5 starters in the league. NOBODY. You cant win games with garbage QB play.
Geno played 3 games and a couple of tiimes in garbage time during his time in Seattle. Your definitive statements seem a bit over the top for someone who played so little.

Oh, and I think that Lock will win the job in camp. ;)
 

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Bottom three according to you. The one guy who actually played for us, only started 3 games, completed 68% of his passes and had a 5to1 td ratio. And in 3 of those games, was sacked only once.

In what universe is that bottom 3 qb play?

And Lock had thr league talking about hie great he was the last time he started in a Waldron styled offense.

If you want to be doom and gloom, then at least bring something other than Geno sucks and Lock is terrible. Both have shown that they aren't when playing in the offense Shane runs. And neither in the history of their careers have had tge weapons at their disposal that they will here, nor the coaching.
Not sure where you are getting that Smith was only sacked once. Stats show he was sacked 13 times in 3 games and 6 of those sacks came on 3rd downs.

Smith was sacked a shade over 4 times a game in which he played. Taking that over 17 game schedule roughly comes to 68 times. David Carr holds the record of being sacked the most in single season with 76.
 
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I stand corrected .

I take it the completion percentage and td / int were correct ?

It's funny, Russ gets sacked game in and gane out and it's the offenses fault. Geno gets sacked and it's allllll Geno
 

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I stand corrected .

I take it the completion percentage and td / int were correct ?

It's funny, Russ gets sacked game in and gane out and it's the offenses fault. Geno gets sacked and it's allllll Geno
It's limited data against different opponents but Wilson was sacked on 7.6% of drop-backs last season. Smith was sacked on 12%. Career-wise Smith has a slightly higher sack rate and the average is about .5 yards per sack higher.
 
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You cant win games with garbage QB play.
Brady's January 2021 play vs Packers was dumpster quality, with 3 photogenic INTs in the 2nd half. Buc's D, special teams, a ridiculous LaFleur decision, all underpinned by the GM 'needing' to draft Jordan Love, instead of (almost) any other contributing Offensive help for A Rod.
Two weeks later in Tampa Bay, Brady was 'better', but the moral of the story is: the games were about much more than just the QB. The media are too dumb or too lazy to discuss anything else.
 

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It's limited data against different opponents but Wilson was sacked on 7.6% of drop-backs last season. Smith was sacked on 12%. Career-wise Smith has a slightly higher sack rate and the average is about .5 yards per sack higher.
Good info, although I don't knownhow relevant his experience is with the Jets. No qb since brett Favre has posted good numbers there. And the sample size with us is too small.

The only thing you can say about geno is that he did improve. People want to disregard his last game against the Jags, ut it's not as if they were last in every statistical category. They were middle to 22nd or so in quite a few. Not great, but better than a few NFL teams. And like i said. That same Jags team went up to buffalo the following week and beat Josh Allen. That doesn't mean they were world beaters, just that they weren't so bad that a convincing, record setting qb performance against them should be dismissed.

But for the record, between Lock and geno, i think only Lock gives us a chance at any longterm success. Geno had talent, but maybe just not the mental toughness to be a reliable franchise guy... he's missing some intangibles.
 

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Brady's January 2021 play vs Packers was dumpster quality, with 3 photogenic INTs in the 2nd half. Buc's D, special teams, a ridiculous LaFleur decision, all underpinned by the GM 'needing' to draft Jordan Love, instead of (almost) any other contributing Offensive help for A Rod.
Two weeks later in Tampa Bay, Brady was 'better', but the moral of the story is: the games were about much more than just the QB. The media are too dumb or too lazy to discuss anything else.
Bucs defense came alive during that playoff run late against Washington and then leading all the way into the Super bowl that year. Bucs offense was sluggish in the playoffs, but really only fired on all cylinders on Super bowl Sunday.

Football will always be a complimentary game between offense, defense and special teams. THREE of the BIG reasons why Brady chose Tampa was because of 1. The Offensive line 2. Weapons on offense, 3. Young, energetic aggressive defense that plays the run.

As for Geno and his performance I am not even looking at his play against Jax even though he was on fire. I was impressed by his play against better competition that was on par or superior. And he was competing and that is all you can ask out of a backup QB IMO.

I would even argue that if Geno is considered a mediocre average QB he should outplay a below average Jax team right? Not only did he demolish Jax but he went toe to toe with better talented teams in his short stint.

That is a good sign IMO if you want a QB that can be a distributor of the football on offense. Geno demonstrated he looked NFL average out there and even may show a long term trend of being statistically above average to good but there are not enough data points to go that far yet.

Lock has more upside but Geno showed he can be competent. Either way I feel that the risk on either QB is low but the upside for either one is very high.
 

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I stand corrected .

I take it the completion percentage and td / int were correct ?

It's funny, Russ gets sacked game in and gane out and it's the offenses fault. Geno gets sacked and it's allllll Geno
The completion pct and td/int are correct. He had 5 tds and 1 int. Those numbers look good if it was 1 or 2 games. But those were his totals after 3 games. That's slightly over 1 td per game avg. That needs major improvement.
 

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Geno doesn't have to improve dramatically his TD production if this offense is going to be a run oriented offense. What Geno must do is keep his TOs down.

If Geno can have less than 15 TOs total over a 17 game season while being able to generate at least 20+ TDs that is huge win.

Trevor Siemian started four games last year for NO and had 11 TDs 3 INTs which looks great on paper if you spread that out over a 17 game season. And despite this Siemian lost all four games he started and the Saints defense isn't bad by any means. What happened was Siemian wasn't accurate enough and he refused to push the ball downfield. Judging QBs by TD/INT ratio is one aspect but not the only metric.

In fact the one game where Geno and the offense did not do enough was against NO last season ironically. But even then Geno had a better QB rating than Winston in that game. If Geno was more accurate in that game and the defense did more they may have pulled off a win against the Saints. But credit to the Saints defense as they gave fits to many offenses last season.

But NO shows they are capable of grinding out wins or playing competitively regardless of what QB they throw out there. Football is a team game.
 
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