2014 Seattle Mariners

[Smelly McUgly]

They still need another starter and someone that can play center or right at a competent level and can also hit.

Paxton might help with that first one if he comes back strong, but they have to cut a deal for an outfielder. The Rays are going to fix Nick Franklin and make him an All-Star, probably, so we might as well trade him and a bullpen arm or two for Zobrist.

I don't really have faith in this team to make the playoffs, but who knows; they need to reel off a winning streak here soon, though, to give themselves a cushion. It seems like they're headed the other way.

 

[m0ng0]

sounds like the Mariners are still in the mix for Price also

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/tra ... rice-trade

 

[Atradees]

This is an epic move if Morales returns to form. batting 230 wont get the job done.

 

[SeatownJay]

I finally get a chance to watch the Ms and the offense disappears.

 

[CurryStopstheRuns]

I finally get a chance to watch the Ms and the offense disappears.

The offense has been nonexistent for a few games now. I believe the stat is that the. Mariner's have scored two or less runs in eleven of the last seventeen games.

 

[hawkfan68]

The Mariners are hitting their way out of the wild-card race. KC, Yankees, and Blue Jays have caught them and are surpassing them.

 

[SeatownJay]

Given the pathetic offensive performance the last two nights that I've watched, I think I'll skip today's game and watch some soccer instead.

 

[SonicHawk]

Given the pathetic offensive performance the last two nights that I've watched, I think I'll skip today's game and watch some soccer instead.

Considering who's pitching for the O's today, there should be at least 2 runs scored.

 

[CurryStopstheRuns]

Given the pathetic offensive performance the last two nights that I've watched, I think I'll skip today's game and watch some soccer instead.

Considering who's pitching for the O's today, there should be at least 2 runs scored.

Doubled your prediction already.

 

[m0ng0]

Elias appears to be ON today 8)

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Another series loss. Oh boy, this feels like a downward spiral. Sure hope they can right the ship.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Another series loss. Oh boy, this feels like a downward spiral. Sure hope they can right the ship.

They can't score runs. End of story.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

This team is done. I hope the organization is smart enough not to retain Jack Z after this year, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[hawkfan68]

The problem isn't Jack Z. How many GMs are they going to receycle through before people understand it's not the GMs that are the problem? Firing Jack Z doesn't solve the problem...the problem lies above Jack Z. Jack Z is not Pat Gillick but he's not Bill Bavasi either. He's just an average GM who has his hands tied with this organization.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

The problem isn't Jack Z. How many GMs are they going to receycle through before people understand it's not the GMs that are the problem? Firing Jack Z doesn't solve the problem...the problem lies above Jack Z. Jack Z is not Pat Gillick but he's not Bill Bavasi either. He's just an average GM who has his hands tied with this organization.

Nintendo is a bigger problem, but that doesn't absolve Jack Z. Oakland's ownership is cheap and runs the team on pocket change, but Jack Z does things like blowing most of his budget on a 31-year-old 2B when he doesn't have the money to surround him with actual decent offensive players to take advantage of the back end of his peak and Billy Beane does things like taking a flyer on Yoenis Cespedes for 4/36. Jack Z is still a problem, but yeah, Nintendo needs to sell this team. I'm assuming Lincoln will never get fired if Ninty holds on to the team, so hopefully the WiiU market drops out completely soon.

 

[Sports Hernia]

The problem isn't Jack Z. How many GMs are they going to receycle through before people understand it's not the GMs that are the problem? Firing Jack Z doesn't solve the problem...the problem lies above Jack Z. Jack Z is not Pat Gillick but he's not Bill Bavasi either. He's just an average GM who has his hands tied with this organization.

Nintendo is a bigger problem, but that doesn't absolve Jack Z. Oakland's ownership is cheap and runs the team on pocket change, but Jack Z does things like blowing most of his budget on a 31-year-old 2B when he doesn't have the money to surround him with actual decent offensive players to take advantage of the back end of his peak and Billy Beane does things like taking a flyer on Yoenis Cespedes for 4/36. Jack Z is still a problem, but yeah, Nintendo needs to sell this team. I'm assuming Lincoln will never get fired if Ninty holds on to the team, so hopefully the WiiU market drops out completely soon.

Howard Lincoln IS the MAJOR problem. This team eroded from a 116 win team to a 100 loss team under his watch.
I'm not Z's biggest fan BUT the minor league cupboard was empty and barren from the Gillick and Bavasi era, so he has had to completely rebuild the Mariners minor league system from scratch. Lincoln and his toadies are the cancer that has been killing this team for over a decade.

No GM compares to Beane and how he gets more for much less, the guy is a small market/small budget genius.

 

[Msfann]

M's Offense under the "Jack Z" tenure (copied from seattlecoug on another forum)

Out of 30 teams
2009:
Runs: 28th
Avg: 22nd

2010:
Runs: 30th
Avg: 30th

2011:
Runs: 30th
Avg: 30th

2012:
Runs: 27th
Avg: 30th

2013:
Runs: 22nd
Avg: 28th

2014 Runs: 24th
Avg: 23rd

OBP:
2009: 29th
2010: 30th
2011: 30th
2012: 30th
2013: 26th
2014: 28th
(this one is ultra pathetic)

SLG:
2009: 23rd
2010: 30th
2011: 30th
2012: 30th
2013: 20th
2014: 27th

 

[davidonmi]

jack z is absolutely part of the problem. Plenty of GM's have won with poor ownership. It isn't like Lincoln is overruling jack on every move he makes.

Z has yet to put together even a competent offense in 6 years, we've had 4 87+ loss seasons and this team is probably no better than 500.
He needs to go

 

[Tical21]

I think more than anything, Jack has been really unlucky. He acquired some of the biggest prospects you could get. How can we expect him to produce and take this thing from the ground up when he gets absolutely zero for Smoak, Montero, Ackley and Hultzen. A couple super high prospects and a couple #2 overall picks. If even ONE of those guys panned out, our offense would be exponentially better.

 

[mbtitleist]

I'll just leave this here since there's some talk about Jack Z recently.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...ete-deals-some-rival-executives-wonder-072814