2013-14 EPL Season

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The dirty Scot is Ferguson...

Agree on else. The hire of Dalglish was a sentimental move to stabilize the club . he ended up nearly burying us. Rodgers biggest accomplishment is undoing that mere 18 months. Dalglish tried, and was a massive improvement to Hodgson...but the PL had passed him by.
 
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Hawkspur":d7fnmipx said:
Firstly, very good post, Storts. I don't agree entirely, but for the most part it's bang on. In fact, I agree with almost all of it apart from the fact that I think I'm a bit more optimistic about the future than you appear to be. I disagree with Gate that the money spent meant that missing top 4 is a failure. We only had that money because we'd lost our 3 best players over previous couple of seasons. It is difficult to replace Bale and Modric (and to a lesser extent, van der Vaart) and expect to get stronger. However, the fact that the vast majority of the Bale cash went on Lamela, Soldado and Paulinho, none of whom have done much.

I'm not overly pessimistic though, with one huge caveat: a high quality manager must be brought in ASAP. As Storts mentioned, the club has been the gong show this year. I agree about Vertonghen's attitude, but he must look at what's going on in the boardroom and on the training field and wonder what the hell is going on. We need a manager with a clear strategy, good people skills and more support from Levy.

Here's my squad breakdown:

GK - We need someone with a reputation and gravitas to convince Lloris to give us one more season.

DEF - For as long as I've posted on this board, every transfer window I've listed fullback as a primary need. We've played this season with Rose and Naughton who are so far away from being Champions League level fullbacks it's ridiculous. So we need 2 - 3 new fullbacks and we probably need to spend big on them. Dawson's not good enough. I was gutted when he turned downn the QPR move and feel vindicated by his performance this season. Seems like a great guy and a club man, but unless he can drop his 40 time by half a second or so he's done. We need someone to motivate Vertonghen. Probably need 2 more centre backs. Shouldn't have sold Caulker. We need someone to give the players a game plan to follow and defensive tactics that don't result in the countless stream of calamities we've seen this season.

MID - The midfield has looked confused and hesitant all season. As Storts lamented, Lennon has been dross. Townsend should be on the left. I'd be happier if he were a bench player next season though. Whoever manages the team next season needs to work out where Lamela fits. I agree with building the team around Eriksen at 10, and Lamela should be part of that gameplan. Paulinho looks like he's been scared of getting injured before the World Cup. I hope he doesn't make it now as a result. Sandro may not be great on the ball, but he's a defensive force in the middle and can pass pretty well. He plays well with Dembele and vice versa. We really needed to pressure a lot more in the centre of the field this season and these are the best pair for doing that, by a country mile. Bentaleb looks pretty promising and hopefully this experience has done him some good. Hopefully the flak that's been directed his way doesn't get to him. He does look like a red-card liability though. A few dodgy tackles/stamps this season that he needs to sort out. Chadli has been alright. He's young and should be perservered with. Can't shoot to save himself, but heck, that sums up almost everyone at Spurs right now. Sigurdsson is decent as an impact sub. He's not afraid to have a shot, which is something we could do with more of. I don't think that the midfield, as it stands, needs a lot of attention, but Lennon and Paulinho are replaceable if they are going to perform like they have for most of this season, and we could do with a winger or two.

The forwards have had very little in the way of service all season. Soldado has had some terrible games but also some pretty good ones. He's clearly not Suarez but his season was reminiscent of Suarez' one a couple of years back when he was doing everything pretty well but not putting the ball in the net. Adebayor has been fantastic. I'm not sure if we can keep him next season though as I'm sure that City were only paying half his wages for the first 2 years. The fact that you don't know what you're going to get from him probably makes Levy reluctant to pick up the rest of the bill so he'll probably be sold (if this is indeed the situation). Having seen some of the highlight packages I wonder whether Lamela might be suited to playing up front in a 2 man attack. Regardless of whether he can or not, we will probably need to add a striker, especially if Adebayor can't stay.

TL:DR = I think we've got a decent squad but there was no plan at all this season and the club appears to be being run by a bunch of goat herders. While it didn't help that half of the squad were new, the players attitudes were affected by this and so a reputable manager MUST be appointed ASAP to get the best out of some decent players. Apart from the backs. Most of them suck. Levy will NEED to spend a bit more than he's likely to bring in through sales this season. He'd better bloody do it for once.

So what you're saying is that you're okay with your team spending 100 million and not making Top 4 and seeing Spurs either winning a game or being completely humiliated if they don't win.
 

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Of course. I'm not 'happy' but I came into this season with lower expectations than I'd had the previous couple of seasons, regardless of money spent. The same happened with City after their initial investment (a bit more spent than Spurs but nobody of note being sold). It's hard to throw essentially an entire team together and sustain success for a whole season. It's a lot of money but as I said they only had the money to spend because they sold their best players. I'm much more pissed about Redknapp/Levy screwing up when we had those players. And as I said above, I think the players bought were fine. But to thrust 6 new starters into a team that was this poorly run and expect immediate success is fanciful. Bear in mind, Spurs missed out on numerous players because they were not in the Champions League as well. Most of the players brought in were young and talented but were poorly managed. If we can hire a good manager we'll be fine.
 

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I'd prefer they didn't get humped by the good teams (ee're not alone there either, eh Gate) but at least they could usually manage to put away the rest. Both AVB and Sherwood's tactics and team selections against the good teams have been ridiculously poor too. We need a manager.
 

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Hawkspur":x5ythclx said:
I'd prefer they didn't get humped by the good teams (ee're not alone there either, eh Gate) but at least they could usually manage to put away the rest. Both AVB and Sherwood's tactics and team selections against the good teams have been ridiculously poor too. We need a manager.


yeah, its been quite shocking how poor the league has been outside the top 3. the next 4 teams (Arsenal, Everton, Spurs, United) have dont little to nothing against the top 3 while middling about with the rest of the league. They seem to be just the top of a very distinct second tier (although Arsenal have slipped to that tier, while Everton show signs of emerging from it).

I agree than both AVB and Sherwood have been remarkably poor in their team selection and system choices from game to game. Hard to imagine so much distinct and noticeable failures from the managers position at this level, but i'd agree that sums up your Spurs season.

But given the player choices (of where the Bale/Modric money was spent) in your opinion who constituted a good purchase and should stay and who should be shipped off?
 

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Of the new players, nobody has been outstanding, but Eriksen, Chiriches and Chadli have looked promising. Soldado has had some good performances and some poor ones but also hasn't had great service from midfield. I think he's worth sticking with for another season. Paulinho looked decent initially but recently has looked disinterested and Capoue obviously looks to be heading out. Those are the two I'd look to sell. Lamela looked good most of the time before getting injured. He obviously wasn't AVB's choice though and clearly suffered as a result. He had good movement and ball skills but his teammates often missed his runs and one-twos. I really hope he pans out because I think he and Eriksen could be good together.

The main problems have been existing players: Rose and Naughton flat out suck. Lennon has been terrible this year. Dawson has been pretty bad. Bentaleb is promising but for my money our best midfield pair is Sandro and Dembele.
 

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I think it's been such a mess that in many ways this team has performed above expectations. I actually have high hopes for next season and think that they should be much stronger. I'll probably have them as favourites for 4th next season, especially if Everton finish 4th this season.
 
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Every single Arsenal fan right now:

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Why?

Cause Aaron Ramsey is back and available for selection against Everton!
 

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Gatehawk":29vt2bme said:
Every single Arsenal fan right now:

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Why?

Cause Aaron Ramsey is back and available for selection against Everton!


rest of the PL

Yawning
 

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Uncle Si":w5som1a0 said:
Gatehawk":w5som1a0 said:
Every single Arsenal fan right now:

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Why?

Cause Aaron Ramsey is back and available for selection against Everton!


rest of the PL

Yawning

Is that Mido?

And for the love of God, put some trousers on, Gate.
 

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Another nice win for Palace today, looked fairly comfortable, another 3 points should be enough to see us safe for this season.
 
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Anybody think Man City has been getting away with way too many things this season?
 
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peachesenregalia":3qqouqrw said:
And listen, I don't mean this personally against you, so don't take it this way, but Arsenal are a shite football team at the minute. Everton were streets ahead of them today, and I reckon Everton are gonna pip them to the post for 4th. Arsenal to finish 5th. That being said, would everyone agree that it's the FA cup or out for Wenger?

I can't defend that result in anyway, I normally try to find a way to defend any loss. But like the Chelsea match, nothing was there to defend, Arsenal were just out of it for 80 minutes(the final 10 they were somewhat in it, but Everton was already heading to the locker room with the 3 points by that point). I can't even find many positives to take from it, only one positive to be exact. Ramsey's return to action was a shining light in a snowstorm of shit. And I'll stand by that Sanogo's goal should of stood as he looked to be in line with the last defender(wouldn't change anything in the end though).

Everton are definitely in the drivers seat for top 4 now, but with both Manchester cubs and Southampton still on their schedule while Arsenal's toughest remaining game is Newcastle, it's gonna be tough for the Toffees to stay there without slipping up.
 

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Arsenal are a dumpster fire at the moment. Hard to see Everton not taking over 4th at this point.

West Ham didn't register a shot on goal that didn't include a punch in the face. Ridiculous. Bring on City.
 
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peachesenregalia":2a7ywuju said:
It's just sad to watch this every year, Gate. Must be really bad for you - a fan of the team. Arsenal just seem to either start off too slow (like last season), or run out of steam in the second half of the season. Yes, they've had injuries, but players like Cazorla, Giroud, Mertesacker and Arteta just haven't been close to good enough. Ozil started off well, but quickly faded and became a serious weak link. The two things Arsenal have going for them right now is an easy-looking run-in on paper, and the fact that they're in the semi-final of the FA cup with no big teams left in it. Even if Everton don't overtake them for 4th, Everton have looked miles better than Arsenal since the turn of the year.

What's really weird is that what I said at the beginning season in my predictions, "Weakness: Consistency and Depth. Arsenal have this annoying habit of having a crazy rollercoaster form for the first half of the season, which tends to be what kills their chances of a league title(or even a Top 2 or 3 finish). Also as a result of the summer clearout, the Gunners have a paper thin squad, should an injury hit one of those places that is lacking in options, Arsenal could be in serious trouble.", is exactly what's happened to Arsenal since February.
 

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Yeah fair assessment and injuries have derailed them. I'm wondering your thoughts now on Ozils 42 million and whether it should have brought in 3 very good players over one star?
 
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To be brutally honest, and this is not a knock on Everton, but can we actually say they'd be in the position they're in without the loan players they acquired last summer? I'm not trying to downplay anything here, what Martinez has done is incredible and he's definitely proved me wrong as I thought he was the wrong choice to manage Everton since he was the one who managed Wigan into relegation. But, I still get this feeling that if not for the acquisition of Lukaku and Berry, among others, is the main reason Everton could snatch 4th place.

It's crazy to think that it's possible after the fact that nearly a month ago when Arsenal beat Spurs, a large majority of people assumed that the Top 4 teams were decided and that only the order was left to be decided. Arsenal's nightmare loss to Chelsea and Everton and the disappointing draw to Swansea has thrown the Top 4 race back open.

The Gunners without a shred of doubt can't afford any more slip ups, especially with the much more favorable final 5 games compared to Everton's. Everton have almost no room for error though as they've got the 5 biggest games in recent memory for the club coming up and a loss in any of them could severely hurt their hopes for Champions League football next season.
 

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Lukaku, Barry are easily two of Evertons 5 best players. Delafou has helped at times. Be interesting if they are able to make go for them

Lukaku obviously made his feelings known about who his coach was when he ran the length to embrace Martinez after his goal vs. Arsenal.

Whether Mourinho would deal him I guess is to be seen
 
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