Russell Wilson Retires

Ozzy · 2026-06-04T13:39:01-0700

RiverDog said:
A first ballot HOF'er? I agree, we don't need the negativity in this thread, but nor do we need heavily spiked Kool Aid, either.

Eli Manning hasn't' come close to getting a gold jacket in two seasons of eligibility despite having 2 SB MVP's and more passing yards and TD passes than Russell has. Plus, you have to consider Russell's huge belly flop at the end of his career and the fact that out of 50 voters in the league MVP balloting, he never received a single vote in any season. I'm not saying that Manning should have gotten in, rather as a voter, it's hard to justify voting for Russell when you didn't vote for Eli.

But I'll stop there with the negativity. He was an exciting player to watch, and I'll always be grateful for his contributions to what was the best period of Seahawk football in franchise history. He's the best QB this franchise has had, and that's saying something when you consider that we're in our 50th season. He's a slam dunk for the ROH.

Eli's stats are nowhere even remotely close to Wilson as a passer. I also will say it again the MVP voting is a joke and a bad argument. He should've won two MVP's.

Ozzy · 2026-06-04T13:40:32-0700

My favorite part of the Russ stuff is we now know he was at least partly right about Carroll holding the team back but people hate him regardless and can't admit he wasn't wrong. You can hate how he did it but he was right. Macdonald proved in a short time that Carroll was hurting this team.

Ozzy · 2026-06-04T13:44:17-0700

Here is a 5 year stretch in Wilsons prime where is equal or better than some names we all know:

Thanks to the handy csv export feature on PFR, it was pretty easy to do it myself. I took pretty much all the important advanced passing stats (dropped AY/A+ and NY/A+ because ANY/A+ combines the two).

Note that all of these are rate stats, not cumulative stats. Across each player's first six years, I weighted the advanced stat for each player by the number of pass attempts to get an overall efficiency rating. 100 = league average, 115 = one standard deviation better than average, 85 = one standard deviation worse than average.

Player	Y/A+	ANY/A+	Cmp%+	TD%+	Int%+	Sack%+	Rate+
Peyton Manning	111.2	114.9	116.4	111.5	100.5	119.8	112.7
Russell Wilson	116.3	112.5	107.9	114.1	109.3	87.1	114.9
Drew Brees	103.4	108.3	113.5	104.5	106.3	116.1	109.2
Aaron Rodgers	123.7	123.5	117.5	125.5	116.8	92.2	126.2
Tom Brady	103.8	109.4	108.1	109.8	110.6	106.6	110.9

His first decade in the league he had the highest passer rating in league history. This nonsense that he was merely good and not great is just outing yourself.

Hawksnest12 · 2026-06-04T13:47:36-0700

Russell was good in his pime, but those other QB's were great for years..

Glasgow Seahawk · 2026-06-04T14:16:50-0700

Thought real hawk talk summed it up well last night. I respect and love everything he done for the seahawks but I sort of feel nothing upon hearing the news (mainly as he has been washed for a while). If you told me that in 2020 i'd never have believed you. I think a lot of the fanbase have just sort of moved on.

Rat · 2026-06-04T14:27:34-0700

Ozzy said:
how many guys are way ahead of him statistically? His rating, TD/INT, Rushing, efficiency, his 4th quarter stuff, game winning drives all of it .... I mean his third in the league in touchdowns since entering the league 13 years ago. That's not upper tier?

I think people are mad at Russ so they hold him to standards that no other guys are held to.

The numbers for Wilson vs the average HOF QB even the new era would make him an automatic inductee.

That doesn't answer my question of which modern inductees his stats "dwarf". Looks like you just cherry picked some categories without mentioning how he compares to others (I already addressed QB rating), used only part of his career, and then did the whole "you just don't like him" garbage. I know that fallacy has a name, but I'm blanking on what it is. Will probably come to me later.

RiverDog · 2026-06-04T14:45:05-0700

Ozzy said:
Eli's stats are nowhere even remotely close to Wilson as a passer. I also will say it again the MVP voting is a joke and a bad argument. He should've won two MVP's.

Not even remotely close? Better check'em out:

Total yards: Eli 57,034 Russell 46,966.

TD Passes: Eli 366, Russell 353.

To be fair, Russell has an advantage in completion percentage, TD/INT, and yards per attempt, but those first two are biggies. To claim that Eli "nowhere even remotely close " is preposterous.

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The biggest rap on Eli isn't his stats. His stats are OK, but not eye popping like they were with Drew Brees and Dan Marino. The biggest rap on Eli is his record as a starter, barely 50%.

As far as the MVP voting goes, I agree, it's not perfect and like all things voted on, is very subjective. But from Russell's POV, it's pretty hard to complain about it when the man in his entire career never got even a single vote out of 50 that cast ballots in each of Russell's 14 season, which includes writers selected from every team's region. You can't say it was because of an east coast bias.

IndyHawk · 2026-06-04T14:47:21-0700

glenwo2 said:
Am I missing something?

He helped the team win their first, right?

When did he win a 2nd?

Yeah, he choked away a second, the one play we needed him
to sandlot it in and he tried to execute the play and failed.

IndyHawk · 2026-06-04T14:50:17-0700

glenwo2 said:
I noticed that, too.

It's not like a Darnold deep pass that hits a receiver in stride (or right in the bucket).

It looks more like a Hail-Mary and prayer that a Seahawk would come down with the ball, more often than not.

Still, though...it worked for him during that time and it helped win this franchise's first championship and that's all that matters.

I do give him credit for the Golden Tate throw; It needed to be up for Tate
to grab it with the CB before they both landed.

Tusc2000 · 2026-06-04T15:38:51-0700

Hawksnest12 said:
Russell was good in his pime, but those other QB's were great for years..

And yet Russ has the same number of rings as Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees -- and twice the Super Bowl appearances.

Hawksnest12 · 2026-06-04T15:48:28-0700

Tusc2000 said:
And yet Russ has the same number of rings as Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees -- and twice the Super Bowl appearances.

Super bowl appearances are team accomplishments not individual. Do you really think Russ was better than Drew?... Drew should have 3 MVP trophies and Aaron Rodgers has 4, and Russ's best chance at winning that award he was beat out by Cam Newton..

So, Brees and Rodgers have better stats more individual awards, and you believe Russ is better because of Super Bowl appearances?

I guess that makes Doug Baldwin a better WR than Calvin Johnson?

Tusc2000 · 2026-06-04T15:56:13-0700

Hawksnest12 said:
Super bowl appearances are team accomplishments not individual. Do you really think Russ was better than Drew?... Drew should have 3 MVP trophies and Aaron Rodgers has 4, and Russ's best chance at winning that award he was beat out by Cam Newton..

So, Brees and Rodgers have better stats more individual awards, and you believe Russ is better because of Super Bowl appearances?

I guess that makes Doug Baldwin a better WR than Calvin Johnson?

I didn't say he was better than any of them. And it is indeed a team game. But in the end, the goal is the ring.

RiverDog · 2026-06-04T15:58:44-0700

Tusc2000 said:
And yet Russ has the same number of rings as Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees -- and twice the Super Bowl appearances.

But there's a huge statistical difference, which looms large when it comes to a position as quantifiable as an NFL quarterback. That's how Dan Marino got in without a ring. Plus, both those guys have MVP awards that Russell doesn't have, again a consideration when it comes to quarterbacks.

The other counter argument when it comes to Brees and Rodgers is that they never played on a team with a defense anywhere close to as good as the ones Russell played on.

Hawksnest12 · 2026-06-04T15:59:15-0700

Tusc2000 said:
I didn't say he was better than any of them. And it is indeed a team game. But in the end, the goal is the ring.

?.. You indeed said Wilson was better because that was your whole point of saying Wilson had more super bowl appearances which all three QB's have 1 ring each.. so, your point is mute right now..

Tusc2000 · 2026-06-04T16:04:45-0700

Hawksnest12 said:
?.. You indeed said Wilson was better because that was your whole point of say Wilson had more super bowl appearances which all three QB's have 1 ring each.. so, your point is mute right now..

You're reading more into this than was intended. But I get your dislike for Russ.

Hawksnest12 · 2026-06-04T16:11:05-0700

Tusc2000 said:
You're reading more into this than was intended. But I get your dislike for Russ.

You bring up Super Bowl appearances as a defense for Russ then say rings are all that matters.. Which all three of these QB's have 1 ring each?.. I'm having trouble following your argument because it looks like you're on both sides here..

What makes a better QB super bowl appearances or rings?... Jim Kelly has 4 Super Bowl appearances and Dan Marino has 1, so which QB was better?..

This has nothing to do with my dislike, or like for Russell.

CalgaryFan05 · 2026-06-04T16:21:39-0700

Mistashoesta said:
If people can forgive Hutch, then they should be able to forgive Russ. Just my opinion.

Who the **** forgave Hutch?

Torc · 2026-06-04T16:23:43-0700

CalgaryFan05 said:
Who the **** forgave Hutch?

I forgive him. Heck, he works for the team now.

SeahawkSteve80 · 2026-06-04T16:37:48-0700

RiverDog said:
A first ballot HOF'er? I agree, we don't need the negativity in this thread, but nor do we need heavily spiked Kool Aid, either.

Eli Manning hasn't' come close to getting a gold jacket in two seasons of eligibility despite having 2 SB MVP's and more passing yards and TD passes than Russell has. Plus, you have to consider Russell's huge belly flop at the end of his career and the fact that out of 50 voters in the league MVP balloting, he never received a single vote in any season. I'm not saying that Manning should have gotten in, rather as a voter, it's hard to justify voting for Russell when you didn't vote for Eli.

But I'll stop there with the negativity. He was an exciting player to watch, and I'll always be grateful for his contributions to what was the best period of Seahawk football in franchise history. He's the best QB this franchise has had, and that's saying something when you consider that we're in our 50th season. He's a slam dunk for the ROH.

He ranks 12th in all time TDs thrown with 353, 4th all time in rushing yards for QB with 5,568 rushing yards, has a career 100.3 passer rating, 2nd in NFL history, 16th all time in passing yards with 46,966.
Was elected to ten Pro Bowls, had second most passing TDs in the first ten years of a career in NFL history.

I don’t know, I believe an argument can be made for him not only to be a HOFer, but potentially first ballot. You can cherry pick stats saying one way or another like I just did, but overall, those are some great statistics, not to mention his 32 regular season 4th quarter comebacks, which ranks 9th all time and 40 game winning drives. Statistically, he’s one of the greatest QBs of all time, unfortunately people let their hurt feelings and emotions from his last couple years here cloud their judgement of him.

And yeah, I was pissed at him too when he forced his way out, but we got a sh*t ton of draft capital in return and used that to reload for another championship, which is still open. I say let bygones be bygones and let the stats speak for themselves, and in his case, they’re pretty damn good.

RiverDog · 2026-06-04T16:47:19-0700

SeahawkSteve80 said:
He ranks 12th in all time TDs thrown with 353, 4th all time in rushing yards for QB with 5,568 rushing yards, has a career 100.3 passer rating, 2nd in NFL history, 16th all time in passing yards with 46,966.
Was elected to ten Pro Bowls, had second most passing TDs in the first ten years of a career in NFL history.

I don’t know, I believe an argument can be made for him not only to be a HOFer, but potentially first ballot. You can cherry pick stats saying one way or another like I just did, but overall, those are some great statistics, not to mention his 32 regular season 4th quarter comebacks, which ranks 9th all time and 40 game winning drives. Statistically, he’s one of the greatest QBs of all time, unfortunately people let their hurt feelings and emotions from his last couple years here cloud their judgement of him.

And yeah, I was pissed at him too when he forced his way out, but we got a sh*t ton of draft capital in return and used that to reload for another championship, which is still open. I say let bygones be bygones and let the stats speak for themselves, and in his case, they’re pretty damn good.

It depends on who's in his class when his name comes up, but I'd bet heavily against a first ballot selection.

IMO the most telling factor is his failure to get even one vote for league MVP in 14 seasons with 50 ballots being cast each year. Granted, there are very few if any who casted votes for MVP who will be voting on HOF inductees, but it's very much the same process and the same types of people involved in the voting.

You also have to consider the huge belly flop at the end of his career, something that his contemporaries don't have to make excuses for.

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