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warden said:

Schneider is going to go with someone that can provide flash in the first round. I highly doubt that will be an interior lineman

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Edge or WR. Book it.

James in PA said:

Edge or WR. Book it.

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I’m guessing WR or DB.

Truthfully, there’s 1-2 players in each of those groups I’d be “ok” with rather than a lineman with that pick.

When a teams vision is narrow (strictly NEED drafting), they start to reach.

I’d still be happy with three straight O line picks with only the chance of attrition in mind.

But, I doubt that happens just like I they take a QB within the first three rounds.

Wsumatt1982 said:

When does Free Agency end? Are there no possibilities that aren’t currently available come June? July? August?

The options to begin with were terrible, as they are every year. If the line is just as bad during the season then I’ll 100% agree. Players progress. We have the draft still and very good draft capital. Roster cuts happen, etc. I refuse to panic over a roster on March 18th.

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When are the best FAs all available? End of free agency or the beginning?

There were viable options, Fries and Zeitler.

Now JS is left with less desirable FAs, draft options, incremental improvement from existing players and coaching/scheme improvements. Hopefully that will be enough but many of us are disappointed he didn't make more of an effort to improve through FA and instead is relying on what he always has: draft, player improvement and coaching/scheme changes that haven't been all that effective in the past.

If he drafts OLine early I may change my opinion but I have serious doubts that will happen based on track record.

This team is, for the most part, built to win now. That's what makes these question marks along the O line so frustrating. We've all seen time and time again where dumpster diving gets us. Relying on rookies along the IOL is not ideal for a team trying to win now.

Hawkpower said:

JS has made his own bed, totally get that

Sounds like he understands and acknowledges his missteps

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But were the missteps his? Hawks had smarter drafts since Pete relinquished the reins, so Pete may have been a primary factor during FA as well.

Seahawker said:

Here is my suggestion.
Make a competitive offer to Jenkins that he can't ignore. Even overpay a little, contracts can be structured to benefit both sides. Then use your 1st rounder on another OL, Hell trade up if you can or have to, you have the picks.

Jenkins declines then use a 1st AND a 2nd on OLine smartly, again package picks to move up if you can. Don't wait until players are picked in front of you or go with a lower pick because his sparq #'s look good. Find the glass eater who loves being physical & gets off on knocking guys on their azz..
Pay to sign him, move up to draft him.
A guy like Booker. Oh... not zbs, then stick the umbrella back in your girly drink and waddle off to find that special boy in the 3rd round.
Wow....

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JS will probably go OL in the second round at the earliest. He'll see an edge at 18 and go for that.

James in PA said:

This team is, for the most part, built to win now. That's what makes these question marks along the O line so frustrating. We've all seen time and time again where dumpster diving gets us. Relying on rookies along the IOL is not ideal for a team trying to win now.

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I am not so sure this team is built to win now because on one hand yes they did sign Darnold and Kupp. But on the other hand no one on offense has a long term contract realistically and JS has stockpiled 10 draft selections.

Coach Mike is putting the team together his way. No different than what Pete did. It takes time. Not going to be a contender, YET, but I suspect they'll be very good by season's end.

SoulfishHawk said:

Coach Mike is putting the team together his way. No different than what Pete did. It takes time. Not going to be a contender, YET, but I suspect they'll be very good by season's end.

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If I am looking at things correctly 2026 is the year they make a big push. The ten draft selections will be mostly on offense because I can not imagine most of them going on defense. Outside of backup ILB, CB and S the defense is set for the most part.

This team is gonna' be damn good in 2026, imo.

SeaWolv said:

When are the best FAs all available? End of free agency or the beginning?

There were viable options, Fries and Zeitler.

Now JS is left with less desirable FAs, draft options, incremental improvement from existing players and coaching/scheme improvements. Hopefully that will be enough but many of us are disappointed he didn't make more of an effort to improve through FA and instead is relying on what he always has: draft, player improvement and coaching/scheme changes that haven't been all that effective in the past.

If he drafts OLine early I may change my opinion but I have serious doubts that will happen based on track record.

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The best free agents are available at the beginning of free agency, that is a moot point since there are roster shakeups all year long. Doesn't mean you can't get good players in June or later when someone who was on the roster now has to be a cap casualty. I get that FA is left with less desirable pieces but it's far from done.

Fries wasn't an option so people need to stop saying he was. JS went after him but for that kind of money he wanted him in for a visit as he should have. Reports are JS was willing to offer but wanted his medicals checked out. Minnesota passed on the medical part and Fries wasn't willing to wait. There's not even a timetable for when Fries will even be able to play. How do you know he didn't go after Zeitler? You only hear about the people that come in for a visit because that's all that has to be reported officially. The NFL is like an iceberg. You only hear about the part of the iceberg above the water. The vast majority of what goes on is the part of the iceberg below the water. Very few conversations get leaked and made public.

I don't understand where this whole "track record" thing is coming from. It's honestly a bunch of BS. When we drafted Devon Witherspoon at 5 2 years ago the talking point was JS doesn't haven't a history of taking a CB high, or in the 1st round. JS got here beginning of 2010. We have selected 12 players in the 1st since then, sometimes we traded out, a couple times we had multiple 1st rounders but we have had 12 1st round picks since he walked in the building. 4 of those 12 players have been O line, Okung 2010, Carpenter 2011, Ifedi 2016 and Cross 2022. That's 1/3rd of our 1st round picks have gone to the O line. I am seeing a track record of they do address offensive line as early as the 1st.

So, once in the past eight drafts then, and twice in the past 13. And of the four times our first pick was in the second round, an OL was taken zero times. Also, none of the traded first round picks were for OL.

Go Hawks?

Rat said:

So, once in the past eight drafts then, and twice in the past 13. And of the four times our first pick was in the second round, an OL was taken zero times. Also, none of the traded first round picks were for OL.

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Keep moving that goal post. You can nitpick all you want to fit your narrative but that's not what was stated. He said track record. That suggests in its entirety, that's how you make a "track record."

Keep trying, maybe one day you will make a valid point. In my point I also brought up a CB being selected in the first when that was a "track record" argument. He went against that argument and no mention from you, how convenient.

SoulfishHawk said:

Go Hawks?

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I'm Ron Burgundy?

Wsumatt1982 said:

Keep moving that goal post. You can nitpick all you want to fit your narrative but that's not what was stated. He said track record. That suggests in its entirety, that's how you make a "track record."

Keep trying, maybe one day you will make a valid point. In my point I also brought up a CB being selected in the first when that was a "track record" argument. He went against that argument and no mention from you, how convenient.

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I don't care what he did in 2010 and 2011, which is apparently 50% of your argument. I'm looking for trends to help determine what we can expect in this next draft, while you're pulling up ancient history to fit a spurious narrative you're pushing to suck up to the front office further.

Ruminator said:

But were the missteps his? Hawks had smarter drafts since Pete relinquished the reins, so Pete may have been a primary factor during FA as well.

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Nobody in significant group of h8rs of JS wants to listen to any rational explanation or the pure fact that the OLine coaching has been second rate for far too long. However so has the OLine.

The Seahawk have had an above average number of candidates many of whom turned out to be good to above average OLinemen after they were let go by the team.

Truly good OLinemen are hard to find.

At some point we all need to be patient as this genuine rebuild happens and let JS have a fair shot to see if the hot mess that is the Seahawks OLine can be fixed.

The John supporters need to stop defending the indefensible. No one is saying he hasn't done good things. We're talking about the offensive line. It's clearly his Achilles heal. He's complete ass at assembling a decent unit. Until he finally does so, criticizing him is justified.

Rat said:

I don't care what he did in 2010 and 2011, which is apparently 50% of your argument. I'm looking for trends to help determine what we can expect in this next draft, while you're pulling up ancient history to fit a spurious narrative you're pushing to suck up to the front office further.

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Why would I suck up to the front office? What do I have to gain from that? What does it do for me? Please tell me since you know all about me and my motives and reasoning. I'm dying to hear what you come up with.

Again, what was stated and what I responded to was a generalization. It was a response in totality, that's what a "track record" means. Quit changing arguments when you get proven wrong and people might take you seriously.

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Why would I suck up to the front office? What do I have to gain from that? What does it do for me? Please tell me since you know all about me and my motives and reasoning. I'm dying to hear what you come up with.

Again, what was stated and what I responded to was a generalization. It was a response in totality, that's what a "track record" means. Quit changing arguments when you get proven wrong and people might take you seriously.

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His track record is that he does not put a priority on early offensive linemen. He took one in the first round in 2010 and another in 2011. Since then, of 14 first round picks, two were used on OL, while the rest were used on other positions, traded out of the first round and not used on OL, or traded for players who weren't OL. The two were Ifedi in 2016 and Cross in 2022.

"Oh, but that one time he took a position early that he usually doesn't!!!1" isn't evidence of anything. An exception isn't a trend. Until we see actual evidence of him making tangible improvements on the OL that shows a change of his general philosophy, people are right to be skeptical if this year will be any different.