Sam is all Man

[bileever]

I've said this in another thread. Sam isn't going anywhere. Neither is Milroe. Lock maybe.
Why on earth would we drop Sam?? Have you heard what his teammates say about him? In this case, I don't think they are just empty platitudes. They sound very sincere in their belief in Sam. ESPECIALLY if we go all the way. I was on the fence with him for a long time this season.......but he has proved his worth. And for the position he plays vs dollars spent, theres just no question. Lock is expendable.....literally he is a dime a dozen. Milroe has a high ceiling, and is still cheap. Sam's the man for the foreseeable future.

Yes, let's not make the same mistake the Vikings did. Darnold was also beloved by his teammates in Minnesota. I think this was the worst thing about the Vikings letting Sam go: the rest of the team didn't understand it. Can you imagine what Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison thought of the move?

Justin Jefferson went from 103 catches for 1533 yards and 10 TDs to 84 catches for 1000 yards and 2 TDs. Addison went from 63 catches, 875 yards and 9 TDs to 42 catches, 610 yards and 3 TDs. Significant drop in production.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Plus, there's still more of this season left to play. If he plays lights out, wins the SB MVP, it's going to change the thought process of a lot of people, including our coaches/GM. Same thing if he (heaven forbid) throws 4 picks next weekend and we lose by 3 TD's.

At this point, he's earned another season as undisputed starter.

If we win it all, and he wasn't a huge part of the reason (e.g. last night), it'll still be ridiculous to argue with a Lombardi. If we lose before the Lombardi and he still wasn't a huge part of the reason (e.g. the defense craps the bed like it did in Week 17), then I think there will only be so much animosity that is fairly earned. Sam only had 12 completions, but there were big-boy throws in there.

This is where I'll be landing. Once you win a playoff game, you're a viable SB contender for a while. There is an expiration date on that, but it's not anytime soon.

But yeah, if the script of this third Rams game follows that of the first, if he pulls what Josh Allen just did, bleh.

 

[keasley45]

This narrative shit and everything involved has to phucking stop. The constant goal post moving has to stop. The hate boner for him then claim “it’s not a hate boner and I appreciate what he’s done BUT” like someone condescending HR turd about to fire you or has fired you.

Be a fan support him, support the team or GTF off the bandwagon and go ride the wagon of another team.

For a mod to post something like this is a new low for .net

"Support him, support the team or GTF off the wagon?" ? Seriously?

But the vitriol and the extreme rhetoric just proves the point I and others have been making for a while.

There is a complete double standard with which Sam and his play is being defended vs the goal post moving and narrative pushing that was going on here on .net around the last QB.

You are getring pissed when we win and Sam gets critique, huh? With the other guy, even when he had a great game in his 4th start, he was drug down and the performance qualified. Like when he started the game against Jax in relief of Russ he started the game 14 straight completions and finished completing 85%, 2td and 0 ints, but somehow it didn't count because Jax was terrible. No such qualification when Sam lit it up against the Commanders, one of the worst teams in the league.

Sam's first start, we lose the game going down to score because of a strip sack. Defense? It was Bosa... Sometimes great players make great plays. In 2022, we get the ball with a chance to score against Pittsburgh and our 29th ranked O line allows TJ WATT to strip sack Geno - the response? It was proof he can't win. Just like against the Rams a few games earlier.

What happened in that game?

Geno, coming off the bench, ignited an offense that was stagnant all game under Russ and has us driving to score. Tyler Lockett is interfered with, trips and the perfectly thrown ball to where Tyler would have been is intercepted. Reaction? While some were pleasantly surprised at how well he played coming off the bench cold, the 'anti' crew began the ' he still sucks... He can't win... When it mattered, he turned it over, BS'.

His first year starting, despite a terrible run game down the stretch, a 27the ranked O line and near last ranked defense, he gets us in the playoffs and by his arm, has us up at the half 17-16. In the second half, under nonstop pressure and with no running game and a sorry excuse of a defense, the 49ers pour it on. The 'anti' crew piles on and sees proof he isn't worthy, dismissing entirely the line, the defense and the running game. As if those things weren't the actual culprit when the QB of the team wins comeback player of the year and got an MVP vote.

Oh yeah... And that Comeback Player award? The 'anti' crew said it was a reward for a nice story. As if completing 70% of your passes, finishing 11th in passing and breaking franchise passing records just kind of happen on their own when you have such incredible team support. Forget the MVP vote. That was claimed to be just to spite Russ.

And that was in his first season and a half on the field.

He got a team that had no right even sniffing the playoffs into the wildcard.

Now when the criticism of Sam is that he might not be good enough to win a game on his own, the defense? HE DOESNT HAVE TO BECAUSE HE HAS A GREAT RUN GAME AND DEFENSE? And that's right. BUT where was that logic when Geno was carrying the a 27th ranked line, sub 29th ranked run game and 30th ranked defense. There was zero acknowledgment that those things contributed to losses.

Now, with Sam, he shouldn't have to do everything because it's a team game. With the last QB, he gets us to the playoffs his first year and nearly his second and third with a BS team and it's HIS fault we didn't win more?

Sure.but keep on with the disparaging chatter. The shl+ is blatantly transparent.

But take the talk about telling a fan to 'F'ng' to root for another team because somebody fairly critiqued your favorite player to another fan site. It doesn't belong here.

.Net is better than that. Or at least it used to be.

And if speaking the truth against the divisive garbage that has been spewed around here lately gets me banned, so be it. When we get to the point that members names get drug through the dirt for having an opinion or better yet, are told to 'Fing leave, it's no longer worth being around.

 

[warden]

This needing to b!tch about something posters is absolutely hilarious

No it is not informed opinions it is just b!tching

We have the third highest scoring team in the league, we have a 15 and 3 record, we are the number one seed, we are in the NFC championship game, we are on an eight game winning streak. And to say we did all that in spite of having Sam as our QB just shows your ignorance towards the game

And all some of you can do is whine about Bradford. Wah, Wah Wah, Our QB is not good enough. Wah Wah, Wah, Our QB has throw some interceptions. Wah Wah Wah, we lack style points, Wah Wah Wah, we can’t win the Superbowl with him. And on and on and on

Reality is, last April is Sam was our best realistic option to move forward. And sure has worked out well

 

[chris98251]

Screw all of you, you can't compete !

We had more divisive threads and longer ones concerning Hass, you will never post enough about Darnold or Geno or even Wilson to beat those threads!!

Take that !!!!

 

[RiverDog]

At this point, he's earned another season as undisputed starter.

If we win it all, and he wasn't a huge part of the reason (e.g. last night), it'll still be ridiculous to argue with a Lombardi. If we lose before the Lombardi and he still wasn't a huge part of the reason (e.g. the defense craps the bed like it did in Week 17), then I think there will only be so much animosity that is fairly earned. Sam only had 12 completions, but there were big-boy throws in there.

This is where I'll be landing. Once you win a playoff game, you're a viable SB contender for a while. There is an expiration date on that, but it's not anytime soon.

But yeah, if the script of this third Rams game follows that of the first, if he pulls what Josh Allen just did, bleh.

I don't think there's very many quarterbacks who are the undisputed starter for the entire season. Next season, if Darnold plays poorly or even just unspectacular and the team gets eliminated from playoff contention with several weeks left in the season, I can absolutely see them pulling Darnold and put in some fill in the blank quarterback in his spot.

At this point, there's really no reason for us to go into every "what if" scenario we can imagine. Sam Darnold is playing very well and is our quarterback for the foreseeable future.

 

[pmedic920]

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[CouchLogic]

For a mod to post something like this is a new low for .net

"Support him, support the team or GTF off the wagon?" ? Seriously?

But the vitriol and the extreme rhetoric just proves the point I and others have been making for a while.

There is a complete double standard with which Sam and his play is being defended vs the goal post moving and narrative pushing that was going on here on .net around the last QB.

You are getring pissed when we win and Sam gets critique, huh? With the other guy, even when he had a great game in his 4th start, he was drug down and the performance qualified. Like when he started the game against Jax in relief of Russ he started the game 14 straight completions and finished completing 85%, 2td and 0 ints, but somehow it didn't count because Jax was terrible. No such qualification when Sam lit it up against the Commanders, one of the worst teams in the league.

Sam's first start, we lose the game going down to score because of a strip sack. Defense? It was Bosa... Sometimes great players make great plays. In 2022, we get the ball with a chance to score against Pittsburgh and our 29th ranked O line allows TJ WATT to strip sack Geno - the response? It was proof he can't win. Just like against the Rams a few games earlier.

What happened in that game?

Geno, coming off the bench, ignited an offense that was stagnant all game under Russ and has us driving to score. Tyler Lockett is interfered with, trips and the perfectly thrown ball to where Tyler would have been is intercepted. Reaction? While some were pleasantly surprised at how well he played coming off the bench cold, the 'anti' crew began the ' he still sucks... He can't win... When it mattered, he turned it over, BS'.

His first year starting, despite a terrible run game down the stretch, a 27the ranked O line and near last ranked defense, he gets us in the playoffs and by his arm, has us up at the half 17-16. In the second half, under nonstop pressure and with no running game and a sorry excuse of a defense, the 49ers pour it on. The 'anti' crew piles on and sees proof he isn't worthy, dismissing entirely the line, the defense and the running game. As if those things weren't the actual culprit when the QB of the team wins comeback player of the year and got an MVP vote.

Oh yeah... And that Comeback Player award? The 'anti' crew said it was a reward for a nice story. As if completing 70% of your passes, finishing 11th in passing and breaking franchise passing records just kind of happen on their own when you have such incredible team support. Forget the MVP vote. That was claimed to be just to spite Russ.

And that was in his first season and a half on the field.

He got a team that had no right even sniffing the playoffs into the wildcard.

Now when the criticism of Sam is that he might not be good enough to win a game on his own, the defense? HE DOESNT HAVE TO BECAUSE HE HAS A GREAT RUN GAME AND DEFENSE? And that's right. BUT where was that logic when Geno was carrying the a 27th ranked line, sub 29th ranked run game and 30th ranked defense. There was zero acknowledgment that those things contributed to losses.

Now, with Sam, he shouldn't have to do everything because it's a team game. With the last QB, he gets us to the playoffs his first year and nearly his second and third with a BS team and it's HIS fault we didn't win more?

Sure.but keep on with the disparaging chatter. The shl+ is blatantly transparent.

But take the talk about telling a fan to 'F'ng' to root for another team because somebody fairly critiqued your favorite player to another fan site. It doesn't belong here.

.Net is better than that. Or at least it used to be.

And if speaking the truth against the divisive garbage that has been spewed around here lately gets me banned, so be it. When we get to the point that members names get drug through the dirt for having an opinion or better yet, are told to 'Fing leave, it's no longer worth being around.

Saw the name Geno, stopped reading, lol.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Go Hawks?

 

[Ozzy]

Saw the name Geno, stopped reading, lol.

Yeah I'm so tired of the Geno is great stuff that I'm checking out as well.

 

[Ozzy]

Please remember this.

Mods/Admins are fans and members just like all of you are.

We have opinions and emotions just like all of you do.

We are human just like all of you are, and we occasionally type faster than our brains are working, jut like any of you are subject to doing at any given time.

Typically if any of us are operating as a “Mod” it will be obvious, you will know it.
Otherwise we are simply posting as any of you do.

I myself said “STFU” in this OP, it was as a fan/member, it wasn’t meant to be taken literally.
Please take just a moment to consider the context and heat of the moment before you criticize a post by a staff member, try to ascertain if the post is reflecting a members opinion, or is something being said as a “mod”.
Some will argue the point, but there is a distinct difference regardless.

A little common sense will make your time here more enjoyable, and our duties a bit less stressful.

Being a staff member here, or any place similar is a thankless endeavor.
We do the best we can for you the community at large.

Malice is NEVER the intent.

Well said Medic.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Yeah I'm so tired of the Geno is great stuff that I'm checking out as well.

Everyone should've checked out a long time ago considering that essentially every single mention of the player descends into a bad faith flamefest and has for the better part of 3 years.

I certainly didn't have the patience for it anymore. I couldn't even talk about other things half the time without it coming into play in replies.

What that says about the fanbase, or more broadly, the quality of discourse that can actually be fostered and maintained on a forum-style message board in an era of instant gratification, polarization, and miniscule attention spans? Up for interpretation. But the topic itself is hopelessly poisoned and the only way for anyone to win is to not participate further.

 

[glenwo2]

Go Hawks?

Hawks Go......BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE RAMS!

 

[projectorfreak]

It's not that hard to understand what Sam needs to do to get the narrative monkey off his back, unless you're being purposely dense. I even outlined it in a previous post. And it isn't moving the goalposts to say that Sam still hasn't show the he can overcome adversity and carry the team, on his arm, to a win a big game.

It's fine to say he didn't need to. That's admitting that he still hasn't. It's fine to say that's not what is best for the team, and you would be right, but that's also admitting he still hasn't. It's fine to say he is doing what needs to be done. Again...

Yes, for me to truly believe in Sam, the way I believed in Prime Wilson, the way I believe in Mahomes, Allen, Prime Stafford etc, he needs to have a largely flawless big game, or two, carrying the team to a win on his arm. Throwing for 250 plus. 2-3 TDs. No ints. Maybe coming back from being down 17-21 points. And it needs to be a truly big, consequential game; playoffs, for the one seed against a quality opponent. The kind of game that the truly good QBs have on their resumes.

No shame in saying Sam hasn't done that yet. No dishonesty in saying he looks primed to do exactly what he needs to do to change the narrative.

Good QB's have bad games and great games. Darnold has bad games and good games. He needs to start having great games. IMHO it's as much about not having had much of a chance to do so, in his career. In terms of measuring him, he is more similar to a QB in their second year, with a lot of potential, and a lot to prove, than a 7-year vet.

Maybe it's just me but i always have viewed sam's playoff issues last year as much more of a coaching issue as opposed to a he just sucks under pressure issue
Without designing plays with max protection and letting your qb get sacked like 9 times or whatever is definitely on the OC as opposed to the QB
Look at mahomes in the super bowls while under duress , yeah he can still be special at times but your likely gonna lose and he has so since it's obvious it's a team game the coach has to take responsibility cuz when your oline is so bad you jettison almost all of em at the end of thear it's not the QB's fault
Sam may throw lots of interceptions at times but knowing that style of play was a problem our current coaches did something about it and here we are and it looks to me like sam could be good enough to win an owl
I like him a hell of a lot more than geno and I was a geno supporter when he took over for Me3 but that's a different story lol

 

[Ozzy]

Everyone should've checked out a long time ago considering that essentially every single mention of the player descends into a bad faith flamefest and has for the better part of 3 years.

I certainly didn't have the patience for it anymore. I couldn't even talk about other things half the time without it coming into play in replies.

What that says about the fanbase, or more broadly, the quality of discourse that can actually be fostered and maintained on a forum-style message board in an era of instant gratification, polarization, and miniscule attention spans? Up for interpretation. But the topic itself is hopelessly poisoned and the only way for anyone to win is to not participate further.

Actually couldn’t disagree more on everything in this post other than the last half of the last sentence.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Actually couldn’t disagree more on everything in this post other than the last half of the last sentence.

As is your right as an American, my friend. Just my musings on the topic and a recollection of my experience with it.

 

[Jac]

Maybe it's just me but i always have viewed sam's playoff issues last year as much more of a coaching issue as opposed to a he just sucks under pressure issue
Without designing plays with max protection and letting your qb get sacked like 9 times or whatever is definitely on the OC as opposed to the QB
Look at mahomes in the super bowls while under duress , yeah he can still be special at times but your likely gonna lose and he has so since it's obvious it's a team game the coach has to take responsibility cuz when your oline is so bad you jettison almost all of em at the end of thear it's not the QB's fault
Sam may throw lots of interceptions at times but knowing that style of play was a problem our current coaches did something about it and here we are and it looks to me like sam could be good enough to win an owl
I like him a hell of a lot more than geno and I was a geno supporter when he took over for Me3 but that's a different story lol

All of this. The Viking fans complain about Kevin O'Connell's gameplan against the Rams. Their OL was injured heading into that game, but O'Connell refused to adjust his long-developing routes against that rush or lean into the running game. Far too much was made of his performance that game from a "choking" POV. Like you said, Darnold has his issues...but so do most QBs these days.