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[JPatera76]

I’m not a troll at all. I’m seeing the forest though the trees.

This is a discussion board. I’m discussing my displeasure with Macdonald’s defense against the two offensive minded head coach he was hired to stop.

As a moderator, you should welcome football discussions. This isn’t a group think board, is it?

Your walking a fine line in what your doing. And your clearly trolling. your not seeing anything what you want, or what fits your narrative. People have presented you facts and reasons but you keep short handing Macdonald.

No worries, all eyes on you now. Be warned if any of the staff feel your an alt account or truly are trolling you'll be shown the door for good.

 

[renofox]

Giving up 37 points as a defensive minded coach is flat out not good enough. He should be thankful to Kubiak and Darnold for figuring it out in the 4th quarter and OT, otherwise the storyline would’ve been how Stafford carved up our defense.

Macdonald just isn’t good enough to match wits with Shannahan and McVay. The Ravens also struggled against the Rams with Macdonald. John Schneider should’ve noticed that, but of course he didn’t because he’s not a good GM.

Again, I like Macdonald. Seems like a funny dude and is a great defensive coordinator. Not a head coach.

If the Seahawks win, will you change your view and come back to eat your crow?

 

[Jac]

I’m not a troll at all. I’m seeing the forest though the trees.

This is a discussion board. I’m discussing my displeasure with Macdonald’s defense against the two offensive minded head coach he was hired to stop.

As a moderator, you should welcome football discussions. This isn’t a group think board, is it?

He HAS stopped both McVay and Shanahan's offenses.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Pancakes, Waffles or French toast? GO!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

If the Seahawks win, will you change your view and come back to eat your crow?

Nope, he won't at all. No matter how many points they give up in a win, it's "not good enough"

Meanwhile, I don't care if they win 70-68, just get a W.

 

[Jac]

Pancakes, Waffles or French toast? GO!

How is it possible that breakfast gets three perfect choices like that...

 

[SeahawkSteve80]

The OP states that next week is Macdonald’s pass/fail test. And I agree with the OP, if the defense gives up a bunch of points, it’s safe to say that his defense has failed. No? Is that not the point of this thread? If the defense gives up 37 points again, is that not a fail?

You guys have raised some good points, but I’m not sure why I’m threatened on being banned here. We are discussing Seahawks football. I’ve stated my opinion.

It should not warrant someone to be banned to discuss football. However, the mod has made their point clear so I will not engage it further. My apologies.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt. Brekky is w/out a doubt the GOAT.

 

[Trackhawk]

Giving up 37 points as a defensive minded coach is flat out not good enough. He should be thankful to Kubiak and Darnold for figuring it out in the 4th quarter and OT, otherwise the storyline would’ve been how Stafford carved up our defense.

Macdonald just isn’t good enough to match wits with Shannahan and McVay. The Ravens also struggled against the Rams with Macdonald. John Schneider should’ve noticed that, but of course he didn’t because he’s not a good GM.

Again, I like Macdonald. Seems like a funny dude and is a great defensive coordinator. Not a head coach.

And if Darnold doesn't throw 4 INTs in the first game vs the Rams, the story would have been how we carved them up, and our defense held them to 2 scores.

And if Darnold doesn't throw an inexplicable INT in the second game, the game is over in regulation, with 23 points scored by the Rams.

But that's not how this works.

36, 26, 17, 25, 17, 21, 37. Those are the point totals by the opposing, offensive, wunderkind, juggernaut coaches (Shanahan and McVay) in MM's first two years. I would say that two of those are not up to the standard we should have, but to suggest that means he is not a top coach is ridiculous.

 

[Jac]

And if Darnold doesn't throw 4 INTs in the first game vs the Rams, the story would have been how we carved them up, and our defense held them to 2 scores. But that's not how this works.

36, 26, 17, 25, 17, 21, 37. Those are the point totals by the opposing, offensive, wunderkind, juggernaut coaches (Shanahan and McVay) in MM's first two years. I would say that two of those are not up to the standard we should have, but to suggest that means he is not a top coach is ridiculous.

That first 36 was also against the 49ers when they were still juggernaut status and before our defense figured out Macdonald's scheme. And all "defensive teams" get into shootouts from time to time. It's the nature of the week-to-week NFL.

 

[Jac]

The OP states that next week is Macdonald’s pass/fail test. And I agree with the OP, if the defense gives up a bunch of points, it’s safe to say that his defense has failed. No? Is that not the point of this thread? If the defense gives up 37 points again, is that not a fail?

You guys have raised some good points, but I’m not sure why I’m threatened on being banned here. We are discussing Seahawks football. I’ve stated my opinion.

It should not warrant someone to be banned to discuss football. However, the mod has made their point clear so I will not engage it further. My apologies.

Yes, if we give up 37 points next week, that would be a Week #18 fail. That's not saying we throw out the baby with the bathwater, though...because he has proven he can stop those two offenses and has the team at 13-3 after inheriting a broken, decrepit roster in 2024.

 

[Trackhawk]

That first 36 was also against the 49ers when they were still juggernaut status and before our defense figured out Macdonald's scheme. And all "defensive teams" get into shootouts from time to time. It's the nature of the week-to-week NFL.

It was also a big impetus in going out and picking up Jones, two weeks later. That was two days before we played Buffalo, and they were the last team to score more than 30 on us until Tampa Bay, then LA this year.

 

[thegameq]

I’m not a troll at all. I’m seeing the forest though the trees.

This is a discussion board. I’m discussing my displeasure with Macdonald’s defense against the two offensive minded head coach he was hired to stop.

As a moderator, you should welcome football discussions. This isn’t a group think board, is it?

I think you are being a little unrealistic SS80 if you are expecting MacDonald to completely stifle the Ram and Niners offenses. I get it that he was bought here to be the anti-McVay and anti-Shanahan, but if you cannot get any consistent pressure on Stafford or Purdy, they are going to put up good to gawdy numbers. In addition you cannot man handle receivers to throw off their timing ala the LOB...it puts the onus on your pass rush to force the opposing QB to rush their decisions--checkdowns, over/under throws, etc.

MacDonald has done a great job all things considered. The offense is another story.....but it does seem to be evolving closer to what you can typically expect from a defense first team.

 

[Torc]

The first Rams game this year, we held Stafford to 130 yards passing (his lowest of the season) and 21 points (2nd lowest of the season). Our first game against the Whiners, we held them to 17 points, their 2nd lowest of the season.

It's not like they're just photocopying the gameplans from game to game. Mcvay and Shanahan are quality offensive minds that are going to come up with ways to attack Macdonald's schemes, and he's doing the same thing to them. If you're a fan of the game these should be fun to watch. (even if fans like @AROS have to watch it after the fact to avoid a heart attack. )

A single game being pass/fail for the entire regime is just plain silly.

 

[MORGULON]

I really like Macdonald, but if you don’t think he was hired here to counter McVay and Shannahan, you are severely naive. That’s exactly why he was hired, and so far, his defense has performed MISERABLY against those offenses.

Time and time again, Macdonald’s scheme has failed against the 49ers and Rams. Our defense, our amazing, super special defense, gave up 37 points and over 200 receiving yards to one guy. That is unacceptable, especially if you are a defensive minded coach! That is your job, to be a good defense, and against these two guys, Macdonald’s defense has barely done better than old man Pete’s did.

The team should’ve hired an offensive minded coach. They would’ve been set up for better long term success. Macdonald’s scheme isn’t working, his message will grow old and stale fast, and we’ll be back looking for a head coach within the next 3 years.

What the hell ? Is that really how you feel? Our second year head coach has his team 13-3 , currently hold the #1 seed and are playing our hated rivals for the NFC West this Saturday.

I'm kinda pumped and jacked .

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I think you are being a little unrealistic SS80 if you are expecting MacDonald to completely stifle the Ram and Niners offenses. I get it that he was bought here to be the anti-McVay and anti-Shanahan, but if you cannot get any consistent pressure on Stafford or Purdy, they are going to put up good to gawdy numbers. In addition you cannot man handle receivers to throw off their timing ala the LOB...it puts the onus on your pass rush to force the opposing QB to rush their decisions--checkdowns, over/under throws, etc.

MacDonald has done a great job all things considered. The offense is another story.....but it does seem to be evolving closer to what you can typically expect from a defense first team.

Great points. Like MOST QB's, put real pressure on them and those numbers and stats drop drastically. Even Lame Dance Purdy has shown to panic under pressure. Shoot, Stafford is also not near the same QB when he's under pressure. It's a big reason WHY they went 5 straight drives w/out scoring. It was when the Hawks finally got some pressure on him. Dude was missing WIDE open receivers. On a day that he was on point.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The first Rams game this year, we held Stafford to 130 yards passing (his lowest of the season) and 21 points (2nd lowest of the season). Our first game against the Whiners, we held them to 17 points, their 2nd lowest of the season.

It's not like they're just photocopying the gameplans from game to game. Mcvay and Shanahan are quality offensive minds that are going to come up with ways to attack Macdonald's schemes, and he's doing the same thing to them. If you're a fan of the game these should be fun to watch. (even if fans like @AROS have to watch it after the fact to avoid a heart attack. )

A single game being pass/fail for the entire regime is just plain silly.

Damn Torc, how dare you point out FACTS. Stafford is a legit MVP candidate.......130 YARDS PASSING in that first game. Niners, 17 points. I can't imagine anyone not being impressed with that defensive effort.

Instead, dude want to complain about the BIGGEST WIN IN YEARS because they gave up 37 points. Um.............THEY WON.
It's not acceptable that the Rams gave up 38! I guess McVay and his coaching staff are just "not good enough"

It's, TO ME, why I will never in my life understand the "they won, but" take. Not saying it's wrong or trying to argue, I'm just saying it's plain silly, TO ME.
Wins are TOUGH in the NFL. We have 13 of them.

 

[samwize77]

Why was MM brought in?...yes, to take on the Rams and 9'ners. But thats only one reason amongst many. MM was brought in to win football games. He was brought in to get back to what was once, a winning culture. He was brought in because of his rep as a good/great defensive coach. This thing about the Rams/49'ners is only a small fraction of the equation. Just because both SC and LA are also good this year does bring focus on them, but theres many many more football games to win than just those. Allow me to ask you good folks....when was the last time we were so excited about The Hawks? 10 years?? I put forth MM/JS have put together something fantastic. We have our culture back to what it once was. MM was brought here to win games, not just LA/SC. And hes done just that....and its not just something we see in a record, but its something we can feel in the pulse of this team. Well done MM!! I am fully behind you!!!

 

[Count Hawkula]

the Rams and 49ers offenses.

Next week is his pass/fail test.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well said, wize, well said. This is the biggest game in a decade, imo. MASSIVE. YUUUUUUUUUUUUGE.

What a fun season this has been. Are you not entertained? LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!