Pete Carroll discussing“The Play”

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Yes, I want this discussion to finally die but this is actually the first time that I’ve seen Pete talking somewhat in depth about what happened. I find it interesting that he says something like “the play callers” to describe who called the play. In my opinion after watching this., this was definitely 100% Darrell Bevell who made that call. I thought it beforehand as well, but this pretty much solidifies it for me.

As they said at the end and as I’ve been saying all these years, Malcolm Butler made an unbelievable play, which was and should’ve been the story of that play instead of the actual call itself.
 

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I think 99.9% of Seahawks fans knew damn well it was Bevell from day 1. Pete is about as classy as it gets. He was willing to fall on the sword. Fine. I get it.

But where I lost a little respect for him was when he didn't fire his ass the next day.

That act alone might have saved the team from fracturing from within like it did, which ultimately proved fatal.
 
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I’ve said it before, what gets totally lost in that is Bill Belichick‘s not calling a time out. If Seattle scores a touchdown there, there would be almost as much heat on him as there was on the Seahawks. It made absolutely no sense to not call a timeout because you have to assume that Seattle is scoring a touchdown there and preserve as much clock as possible. He’ll claim that he did it to put the pressure on Seattle, but I don’t believe it for a second.
 

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As they said at the end and as I’ve been saying all these years, Malcolm Butler made an unbelievable play, which was and should’ve been the story of that play instead of the actual call itself.

BS. It's much easier to make a good play when you already know what the actual play is beforehand.
 

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I think 99.9% of Seahawks fans knew damn well it was Bevell from day 1. Pete is about as classy as it gets. He was willing to fall on the sword. Fine. I get it.

But where I lost a little respect for him was when he didn't fire his ass the next day.

That act alone might have saved the team from fracturing from within like it did, which ultimately proved fatal.

Exactly. I know this sounds asinine, but even if it wasn't Bevell, Pete needed to fire him or somebody else to keep that locker room . As soon he didn't, I knew it was all over and Pete needed to move on.
 

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I’ve said it before, what gets totally lost in that is Bill Belichick‘s not calling a time out. If Seattle scores a touchdown there, there would be almost as much heat on him as there was on the Seahawks. It made absolutely no sense to not call a timeout because you have to assume that Seattle is scoring a touchdown there and preserve as much clock as possible. He’ll claim that he did it to put the pressure on Seattle, but I don’t believe it for a second.

Totally believe it. It was a brilliant move. It put the pressure on Pete and the staff and they panicked and folded like cheap tents.
 

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I still can't believe people are so butthurt over this.
It wasn't a bad call and has been used effectively by tons of teams at the goal line both before and since that Super Bowl.
It failed largely because they telegraphed the play and Browner picked up on it. And they had trash personnel in place to run it. But in all the times this kind of play has been run, interceptions are quite rare.

Now I know everyone thought they should run the ball, but provided they didn't score on the pass play, they had two more downs to run and would likely face lighter boxes than what they faced on second down. They only thing that could have stopped them was what did and it was far from the most likely outcome.

Sometimes the defense guesses right.
 

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It wasn't a bad call and has been used effectively by tons of teams at the goal line both before and since that Super Bowl.
It failed largely because they telegraphed the play and Browner picked up on it. And they had trash personnel in place to run it.

It really was a bad call and you already listed the reasons why. It was bad enough that a locker room was lost and the team never recovered.
 

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I’ve said it before, what gets totally lost in that is Bill Belichick‘s not calling a time out. If Seattle scores a touchdown there, there would be almost as much heat on him as there was on the Seahawks. It made absolutely no sense to not call a timeout because you have to assume that Seattle is scoring a touchdown there and preserve as much clock as possible.
He didn't call a timeout because he saw this exact same formation and had his defense practice against it during the week leading up to the Superbowl. Why waste a time out when you knew what was coming, and exactly how to defend against it?
 
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He didn't call a timeout because he saw this exact same formation and had his defense practice against it during the week leading up to the Superbowl. Why waste a time out when you knew what was coming, and exactly how to defend against it?
Because most people would assume that they are running the ball there regardless of the formation as long as there is a running back in the backfield which there was. Again, if Seattle scores there which they should have, Belichick not calling in timeout would’ve been and still have been the talk of the town
 

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Because most people would assume that they are running the ball there regardless of the formation as long as there is a running back in the backfield which there was. Again, if Seattle scores there which they should have, Belichick not calling in timeout would’ve been and still have been the talk of the town
Most people don't have 6 Superbowl championship rings. Belichick and Patricia (with help from Browner) scouted Bevell's tendencies and knew exactly what they were going to do in this goal line situation. So again, a timeout was not necessary, because they were not going to score off that play call, rendering the point moot.
 

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From what I know, Me3 had run/pass option on that play depending
on what he saw, he chose pass for the glory!
Maybe now people will understand why I cannot stand him, not to
mention he was late on that throw, I blame him period.
 

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Yes, I want this discussion to finally die but this is actually the first time that I’ve seen Pete talking somewhat in depth about what happened. I find it interesting that he says something like “the play callers” to describe who called the play. In my opinion after watching this., this was definitely 100% Darrell Bevell who made that call. I thought it beforehand as well, but this pretty much solidifies it for me.

As they said at the end and as I’ve been saying all these years, Malcolm Butler made an unbelievable play, which was and should’ve been the story of that play instead of the actual call itself.

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Most people don't have 6 Superbowl championship rings. Belichick and Patricia (with help from Browner) scouted Bevell's tendencies and knew exactly what they were going to do in this goal line situation. So again, a timeout was not necessary, because they were not going to score off that play call, rendering the point moot.
Yeah, OK. There was zero shot of them scoring on that play call? Whatever.
 

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Lockette slept walked the route. But yeah everyone knows that should have been Beast Modes ball. I'm physically tired of talking about that play, lol.
 
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Lockette slept walked the route. But yeah everyone knows that should have been Beast Modes ball. I'm physically tired of talking about that play, lol.
I know you have been posting here for a long time and had always been curious if that is you in your avatar?
 

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I know you have been posting here for a long time and had always been curious if that is you in your avatar?
No it just looks like me and it was exactly my reaction to the play. It was from a YouTube reaction video
 

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