Giant star already backed Russell Wilson into a corner.

[Ostatehawk]

Maybe time for Wilson to have all giants WR, TE in his personal training camp in Rancho Santa Fe? Wilson can probably round them all up in his private jet.

This is why he needs his own office. Meetings and whatnot.

 

[chris98251]

I thought he had a office with a door because Ciara was giving him lap dances at work.

 

[DTiempo81]

I thought he had a office with a door because Ciara was giving him lap dances at work.

I actually heard it was the other way around.

 

[Palmegranite]

I dont know that its a huge story but its also not clickbait.

Russ has never been a guy to get a wr the ball with split second timing when the window is tight and there's just enough separation in the play, as designed, to make it work. He has always preferred holding the ball and waiting until HE feels good about throwing it, putting the onus on the wr's to scramble around to try to find an opening and stressing the O line. It makes for exciting play, but if i were a wr, honing my skill day-in and day-out to beat the guy across from me by any margin possible and there's the potential that all of that study, practice and work is for nothing because i'm not going to get the ball when i win, i wouldnt be so subtle in making my feelings known either.
By now, across three teams where he has worn out his welcome and proven a tendency to NOT get the ball out as the play dictates and when a wr is open, i am sure the word among the WR community as a whole is that Russ plays Russ ball and nothing else. This is more a preemptive warning that thats not going to fly in NY.
I dont see Russ being a starter for more than a game or few, if that. When the WR's you are throwing to dont believe that you can help them and the team excel, as a qb, your days are numbered.

An interesting perspective.

But a smart wide receiver, preparing for the Giants season would not do or act as you suggest.

Their time would be better spent studying the tape/film on Wilson to Doug Baldwin, Wilson to Lockett, to Courtland Sutton, and to George Pickens.

Learn from their success.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I read this as "taint".

Freudian slip

 

[IndyHawk]

An interesting perspective.

But a smart wide receiver, preparing for the Giants season would not do or act as you suggest.

Their time would be better spent studying the tape/film on Wilson to Doug Baldwin, Wilson to Lockett, to Courtland Sutton, and to George Pickens.

Learn from their success.

So, sideline routes with a scramble drill after he holds the ball too long?

 

[keasley45]

An interesting perspective.

But a smart wide receiver, preparing for the Giants season would not do or act as you suggest.

Their time would be better spent studying the tape/film on Wilson to Doug Baldwin, Wilson to Lockett, to Courtland Sutton, and to George Pickens.

Learn from their success.

That's kind of the point. They only succeeded because ADB et al played in a system where the HC supported Russ NOT running the plays as designed and rather just doing what he did. No WR in his right mind is going to be ok modeling his game after wr's who made the vast majority of their plays running around the sandlot yard. And no HC or Oc since Pete and Waldron have been ok just letting Russ NOT run perfectly fine plays that work BUT for him actually throwing the ball.
I think its a smart shot fired across the bow. No sense in pretending what happened up here in Seattle a decade ago when leaugewide, offenses and defenses played an entirely different game than they do today and Russ hadnt been figured out. He may not even make it out of TC as the starter. Winston will undiubtedly have better command of the offense and they will be eager to have the rook sit behind someone he can actually learn from. Russ cant teach what he doesnt know and doesnt put good teaching tape on film.

 

[keasley45]

So, sideline routes with a scramble drill after he holds the ball too long?

Exactly. A smart wr sees there is littke to learn about offense by watching old Russ / Hawks tape.

A smart wr looks at that tape and says ' that sh!+ isnt going to fly here' ... 'if we are going to bust our asses to get open and we do, the ball better be on the way '.

Thats fundamental qb / wr play. And its telling that he felt the words had to be spoken.

I dont blame him at all.

 

[Palmegranite]

The only way it makes sense to agree that a WR should revolt on his own team, is if you are the fan of an opposing team.

To characterize that over his career, 100% of Russell Wilson's play was long, drawn out, freelanced, very accurate bombs to the sidelines is....
well it fits a narrative that you fancy...but that's it.

And I suppose I'll take on the mantle of defending the reputation of Doug Baldwin, who was a team player, and excelled like few others at the position. He was no dumb-dumb.

I welcome your rebuttal.

 

[toffee]

The only way it makes sense to agree that a WR should revolt on his own team, is if you are the fan of an opposing team.

To characterize that over his career, 100% of Russell Wilson's play was long, drawn out, freelanced, very accurate bombs to the sidelines is....
well it fits a narrative that you fancy...but that's it.

And I suppose I'll take on the mantle of defending the reputation of Doug Baldwin, who was a team player, and excelled like few others at the position. He was no dumb-dumb.

I welcome your rebuttal.

Huge difference from revolting on his own team to a warning for his incoming QB. A QB has a history of doing thing his own way, not the OC way, the HC way, or the team way.

 

[King Dog]

I don't like that little midget

 

[IndyHawk]

Exactly. A smart wr sees there is littke to learn about offense by watching old Russ / Hawks tape.

A smart wr looks at that tape and says ' that sh!+ isnt going to fly here' ... 'if we are going to bust our asses to get open and we do, the ball better be on the way '.

Thats fundamental qb / wr play. And its telling that he felt the words had to be spoken.

I dont blame him at all.

I tried to say this in my thread of the same topic, Nabors is saying what needs to
be said but Me3 isn't changing now or ever.
Anyone ever see Doug Baldwin on KJs show?
You hear the same thing; He works hard to get open in games and wouldn't get the
ball for as many times he got open, it bothered him - All the extra movement in
scrambling and having to block downfield all because of Me3 being late and trying to
do whatever.

 

[IndyHawk]

The only way it makes sense to agree that a WR should revolt on his own team, is if you are the fan of an opposing team.

To characterize that over his career, 100% of Russell Wilson's play was long, drawn out, freelanced, very accurate bombs to the sidelines is....
well it fits a narrative that you fancy...but that's it.

And I suppose I'll take on the mantle of defending the reputation of Doug Baldwin, who was a team player, and excelled like few others at the position. He was no dumb-dumb.

I welcome your rebuttal.

Add the wheels which I suppose is in freelance, you described him perfectly.
Only now the wheels are heavy so he dinks off behind the line when he can
and makes his completion % look really good.

 

[keasley45]

The only way it makes sense to agree that a WR should revolt on his own team, is if you are the fan of an opposing team.

To characterize that over his career, 100% of Russell Wilson's play was long, drawn out, freelanced, very accurate bombs to the sidelines is....
well it fits a narrative that you fancy...but that's it.

And I suppose I'll take on the mantle of defending the reputation of Doug Baldwin, who was a team player, and excelled like few others at the position. He was no dumb-dumb.

I welcome your rebuttal.

Lets sit diwn over a zoom meeting and watch any number of Russ's highlight vids and count the number of plays that came from on time throws and were on schedule vs those where he was doing 'Russ'. I have watched them.

But to still argue that he we isnt what yiu are claiming he wasnt back then when he has proven it by his own hand is interesting. His defenders like to blame his legs fir his decline. And there is truth in that. But a qbs abikity to diagnose defense gets better as the legs go, not wirse. Mr Wilsons decline has been so stunningky sharp because he NEVER had an xs and os, timing and anticipation game to fall back on. He lived by extending plays beyond the window HIS abikity to process them afforded him. Now he is stuck with lomited processing and limited mobility, but is still trying to extend plays and throw when he is comfortable with it. The only place it ever wirked was Seattle and it was at tge expense of any semblance of a coherent offensuve system and at the exoense of wr's like Doug.

He failed atbthe wnd of his tenure here. He failed in Denver. He failed in Pittsburgh. He will fail in New York and it may be his last gig. If the guy at hime watching games can see it, the wrs who will be catching the balls he throws (when he tbrows them) for sure see it. Its not revolt. They have 3 qbs on the team. I think they are just making known what they wont accept.

And they just might be a little annoyed by his 'qb and savior' already dong interviews and despite having been summarily fired from his last 2 jobs, seeming to be entirely oblivious to the fact that maybe hunility andnsefl reflection is what is required from him. Rather, he gets on fromt of a mic and starts blabbinv about how he is here to lead that group of men. NOT win their confidence. NOT prove himself. NOT earn his place.

Russ's buggest enemy is Russ and the hubris that has allowed folks to see him as more self serving and less self aware than he should be. His teammates are just making sure he gets a sense of REAL reality and not the one he has painted for himself.

 

[toffee]

I tried to say this in my thread of the same topic, Nabors is saying what needs to
be said but Me3 isn't changing now or ever.
Anyone ever see Doug Baldwin on KJs show?
You hear the same thing; He works hard to get open in games and wouldn't get the
ball for as many times he got open, it bothered him - All the extra movement in
scrambling and having to block downfield all because of Me3 being late and trying to
do whatever.

I nicknamed Baldwin as ANGRY, maybe frustrated would describe him better.