ESPN predict trading DK

[SeaWolv]

All for trading DK, not interested in making Howell our starting QB.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I don't see many, if any, people on here saying Howell should be the starter. Or that they want him to be.

 

[Seahawker]

Come on...
Some of you with your reactionary exaggerations using terms like "team cancer" & "vehement dislike" because someone feels Metcalf is valuable enough to trade and improve the team.
This is a business/team opinion based on what will improve this team and some of us may not think an increase to DK's cap hit is worth the production. Especially when it sacrifices resources for the offensive line which is the core problem to start with.

DK has lost 8 fumbles in his career, the most of any WR since he entered the league. Losing to the NYG's at home was our worst defensive performance of the year but his fumble near the red zone later resulting in a NY TD didn't help. He was also fined for unnecessary roughness in that game rounding out a 4 catch, 55 yard effort.
He is such an enigma of Hero/Goat and can be more of a chess piece than a weapon.
Since 2019, no reciever is more penalized than DK's 31, including 10 holding & 10 for PI. Over his career he has been fined 13 times for 170K.
DK had 5 TD's (992 yds) in 24' and made 24.5M and had less TD's than 33 other WR's and is statistically ranked around 30th amongst all WR's.
Metcalf is currently the 13th highest paid WR at 24M per, the top 3 are 32M- 35M.
I do not want to pay Metcalf at that level and think a draft pick and 10M cap savings would go a long way in fixing the offensive line & upgrades in general.

How about lower the temperature with the "you must hate DK" BS and have a conversation.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Or you could lighten up a little, worry about yourself and not so much what other people have opinions on? Your opinion is no more important or valid than the rest of us. We ARE having conversations about DK. On both sides. Isn't that what a message board is for?
It might be BS to YOU. And that's fine. Some want him gone, some don't. I can see both sides of the argument, easily. Welcome to the NFL, where these conversations happen on a regular basis.

 

[Seahawker]

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Exactly. Lighten up

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Of the teams that are/were in the playoffs, and you're looking to get a first round pick for DK, I think your most likely trade partners are the Chargers(22), Houston(25), and Denver(20). With three young QB's needing a solid weapon and to get them over the hump, I think Herbert, Stroud, or Nix would appreciate a big target like DK and with this years draft looking like you're gonna get more value between rounds 2-4, I think it'd be tempting for one of these teams for the trade.

 

[Rat]

All for trading DK, not interested in making Howell our starting QB.

Nobody is interested in that, it's just one sensitive poster being allowed to keep spreading disinformation about what others are saying.

 

[KinesProf]

My general assessment of him for *years* has been that he is overrated and gets hyped about his potential instead of his performance.

I advise you to look up how his performance measures up historically through age 27.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep ^^^

 

[chris98251]

Sure trade DK for draft picks, you think you could get 12 to 15 4th, 3rd, 2nd, or a 1st for him? Thats about how many picks we used to finally find a big, fast receiver that was physically impressive on the field, I'll wait for you all to tell me the team that will do that.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Me thinks he would thrive in an offense that actually knows how to use him. And it's not like he hasn't put up damn good numbers in his career. You don't just find DK's growing on trees. Just because several "fans" don't think the guy is good, that doesn't mean that several TEAMS wouldn't want him on their roster.

 

[KinesProf]

I'm not of the belief that you get better as a team by trading good players who are sub-30. There's always ways to make the salary cap work

Washington held on to McLaurin through some years when the team was far from competing, but now they're sure glad they have him. You don't trade high-end talent just because you might not be in a window to compete, as in the NFL you never know when your team is about to pop up and compete. You trade DK and you spend subsequent drafts hoping to find a WR of that calibre.

Look at the Titans AJ Brown trade - dumb then, dumb now. Didn't benefit them at all to make that swap. They got considerably worse and are now stuck being bad. The odds of being able to pull a Stefon Diggs-Justin Jefferson swap like the Vikings did are extremely low (and that is a franchise that is historically great at WR evaluation and development).

 

[cheese22]

Come on...
Some of you with your reactionary exaggerations using terms like "team cancer" & "vehement dislike" because someone feels Metcalf is valuable enough to trade and improve the team.
This is a business/team opinion based on what will improve this team and some of us may not think an increase to DK's cap hit is worth the production. Especially when it sacrifices resources for the offensive line which is the core problem to start with.

DK has lost 8 fumbles in his career, the most of any WR since he entered the league. Losing to the NYG's at home was our worst defensive performance of the year but his fumble near the red zone later resulting in a NY TD didn't help. He was also fined for unnecessary roughness in that game rounding out a 4 catch, 55 yard effort.
He is such an enigma of Hero/Goat and can be more of a chess piece than a weapon.
Since 2019, no reciever is more penalized than DK's 31, including 10 holding & 10 for PI. Over his career he has been fined 13 times for 170K.
DK had 5 TD's (992 yds) in 24' and made 24.5M and had less TD's than 33 other WR's and is statistically ranked around 30th amongst all WR's.
Metcalf is currently the 13th highest paid WR at 24M per, the top 3 are 32M- 35M.
I do not want to pay Metcalf at that level and think a draft pick and 10M cap savings would go a long way in fixing the offensive line & upgrades in general.

How about lower the temperature with the "you must hate DK" BS and have a conversation.

I believe you just won the internet today.

 

[Seahawker]

I believe you just won the internet today.

Thanks for the attaboy Ricky!

 

[cheese22]

I haven't seen anyone say DK sucks. There's no reports of him being a cancer. He has unbelievable physical traits. He occasionally does something very few athletes can do. But, the consensus is he's overpaid for his production on a team looking to make their identity a running team.
Here's the negatives: too many fumbles and penalties, he's not a leader, he occasionally makes an amazing play but nothing consistent, we already have JSN possibly passing him as #1 WR, MM wants to be a running team, he's gonna be looking for a huge contract next time around, his value will never be higher in a trade, the money saved would go a long ways toward fixing the OL problems, his numbers aren't in line with the top WR's in the league and maybe most importantly-we have a young, new head coach that is all about defense that might not want a guy like DK on the team.
WR is starting to remind me of how the value of RB's has dropped in recent years. It's becoming clear that coaches are putting more emphasis on the OL than ever before.
The Bills and Stefon Diggs are a good case in point. The Eagles have a great WR along with another very good WR, but they also have the best OL in the league.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Nah. He's been a whipping boy on here and with many fans for years. So be it.

 

[toffee]

Our offseason decisions come down to how our young Macdonald and his boss the not-so-young John Schneider evaluate our team.

1. If they qualify our team as a few improvements away from playoff and beyond, they will not rock the boat, not with their career on the line.
   1. Keep most of the vets, including DK and Geno. That may entail extending contracts to minimize current season cap hits.
   2. Add pieces to areas needing help, such as OL and LB.
2. If they qualify our team as 2 - 3 drafts away from contention. No point in keeping DK, his trade value will decline with age.
   1. Geno will be gone, DK, Lockett, Fant and Fant etc.,
   2. Trade all the above for picks, and build the team from the ground up.
   3. Try to draft a QB of the future.
   4. Sign a cheap vet QB to supplement Howell, ie Kirk Cousin.

Macdonald is in his honeymoon, and with 10-7 record, he has the capital to go either (1) or (2). John Schneider is different, for him to go (2), he admits the rebuild of the past 2-3 years wasn't a success and needs another rebuild to fix his first rebuild.

 

[KinesProf]

Not that you're wrong, but I can't picture them going option 2.

For one, I don't believe Schneider's recent performance has earned him the opportunity to oversee an option 2 more than a decade since he last fielded an excellent team. He would be fully aware that that path risks his job. Schneider being replaced by a new GM would misalign the GM/HC , putting Macdonald in a perilous spot.

Jayden is the only force in the NFC that I think is going to be a huge problem for opponents to overcome over the coming years; but I don't think the Hawks are necessarily wrong if they think that if they *improve the oline, get some semblance of an OC better than the Waldron/Grubb level, and the *defense takes further steps forward, that they can contend in the conference.

*I have sincere doubts about Schneider's ability to fix the line
*That defensive step forward needs to include not getting lit up by the good teams on the schedule; which wasn't the case this past season. Until then I am only cautiously optimistic.

 

[toffee]

Not that you're wrong, but I can't picture them going option 2.

For one, I don't believe Schneider's recent performance has earned him the opportunity to oversee an option 2 more than a decade since he last fielded an excellent team. He would be fully aware that that path risks his job. Schneider being replaced by a new GM would misalign the GM/HC , putting Macdonald in a perilous spot.

Jayden is the only force in the NFC that I think is going to be a huge problem for opponents to overcome over the coming years; but I don't think the Hawks are necessarily wrong if they think that if they *improve the oline, get some semblance of an OC better than the Waldron/Grubb level, and the *defense takes further steps forward, that they can contend in the conference.

*I have sincere doubts about Schneider's ability to fix the line
*That defensive step forward needs to include not getting lit up by the good teams on the schedule; which wasn't the case this past season. Until then I am only cautiously optimistic.

When you have your career, your reputation and your future earning potential on the line. Your decision-making process is different from shouting in a forum. I also doubt that Schneider has the luxury of going Option (2), although Macdonald might prefer (2).

Geno Smith votes for option (1), Sam Howell votes for option (2).