MacDonald riding with Geno

[Sperrydogg]

7 years ago? Rule changes my man. And if you have to dig that deep it really proves the rule

6 ish years ago? And that’s the past? Think about niners fans bragging about superbowls…

 

[Sperrydogg]

Geno will play much better once we build a first-class offensive line. Most of his interceptions are while under extreme pressure.

Not true, a lot of them are from when he closes his eyes

 

[Sperrydogg]

The film and the numbers he has put up behind terrible coordinators and an awful line, with no run support say otherwise.

What about the W’s

 

[pittpnthrs]

And the reality is, Geno has NEVER in his career, not even for one single season, had the support staff, the leadership above him, the 'recipe' book to work from nor the 'chef' to help him. Never.

Sure he has. He was just never good enough to start in front of the people ahead of him.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Sure he has. He was just never good enough to start in front of the people ahead of him.

Yeah like Eli Manning…. who else started in front of him? Ryan Fitzmagic? The Red Rider? Oh yeah don’t forget DangerRuss

 

[pittpnthrs]

Yeah like Eli Manning…. who else started in front of him? Ryan Fitzmagic? The Red Rider? Oh yeah don’t forget DangerRuss

Phillip Rivers. Just saying if Geno is so good,,,,,,

 

[Sperrydogg]

Phillip Rivers. Just saying if Geno is so good,,,,,,

Phillip? Where?

 

[Sperrydogg]

Phillip Rivers. Just saying if Geno is so good,,,,,,

Im agreeing with you.

 

[DarkVictory23]

How do you think Smith would fair in Houston with that 31st ranked Oline if he can't get it done in Seattle with a 30th ranked Oline? Last I checked Stroud and the Texans just won a playoff game with that 31st ranked Oline.

Bottom line is maybe it's time to stop making excuses and just accept the fact that Geno is who he is.

I'm trying to figure out if you are purposefully ignoring that Geno was better than Stroud this year or just unaware of it. Like, entirely. Success Rate, Passer Rating, QBR, ANY/A... our overall offense was better than Houston's, too.

And this was Geno's second straight year with a bottom of the barrel offensive line, and he was even better last year when he didn't have a college OC who had no idea what he was doing.


There is literally no reason to assume Houston wouldn't be better with Geno than Stroud. The difference, of course, is Stroud is much younger and on a rookie contract. I wouldn't trade Stroud for Geno if I were them, but they'd almost undoubtedly have been better this year and last.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Like some have pointed out nobody is saying Geno is trash. I am saying he is average on his best days and cannot beat a good team. There are a lot of factors in wins and losses and I think Geno bears some that responsibility.

I want him GONE because he is holding up the process that I think would take us back to being Super Bowl contenders. Another year of Geno is ANOTHER wasted year. In a year we will be exactly where we are today or even a touch worse. A season we win about half the games and barely miss the playoffs and a Draft choice too low to be in the range of getting a top tier QB. Get rid of Geno and BREAK that cycle. Yeah, maybe a bad year next year breaking in a young or rookie QB but if so THEN we have the draft pick we need. We are NOT 1-2 pieces and an OC away from contending.

Progress or repeat the same grade yet again.

 

[Appyhawk]

I doubt it. He lacks courage to win tough games against good teams.

Geno lacks FIELD VISION. He locks in on his preferred receiver and ignores/doesn't see position of defenders, especially when the field is condensed in the red zone. Picked time after time after time!
But that could be something he can improve such as he displayed in game 18.

 

[Appyhawk]

Like some have pointed out nobody is saying Geno is trash. I am saying he is average on his best days and cannot beat a good team. There are a lot of factors in wins and losses and I think Geno bears some that responsibility.

I want him GONE because he is holding up the process that I think would take us back to being Super Bowl contenders. Another year of Geno is ANOTHER wasted year. In a year we will be exactly where we are today or even a touch worse. A season we win about half the games and barely miss the playoffs and a Draft choice too low to be in the range of getting a top tier QB. Get rid of Geno and BREAK that cycle. Yeah, maybe a bad year next year breaking in a young or rookie QB but if so THEN we have the draft pick we need. We are NOT 1-2 pieces and an OC away from contending.

Progress or repeat the same grade yet again.

Or another year of Geno is a year spent building up surrounding roster to support the QBOTF candidate that we draft NEXT YEAR.

 

[keasley45]

What about the W’s

The Ws?
In what sense?

 

[keasley45]

Or another year of Geno is a year spent building up surrounding roster to support the QBOTF candidate that we draft NEXT YEAR.

Exactly. Geno gives us the best of bith worlds. The dude is good enough to win now if he has competent pueces around him. AND while we are winning NOW, we are hopefull grooming his replacement.

 

[keasley45]

Like some have pointed out nobody is saying Geno is trash. I am saying he is average on his best days and cannot beat a good team. There are a lot of factors in wins and losses and I think Geno bears some that responsibility.

I want him GONE because he is holding up the process that I think would take us back to being Super Bowl contenders. Another year of Geno is ANOTHER wasted year. In a year we will be exactly where we are today or even a touch worse. A season we win about half the games and barely miss the playoffs and a Draft choice too low to be in the range of getting a top tier QB. Get rid of Geno and BREAK that cycle. Yeah, maybe a bad year next year breaking in a young or rookie QB but if so THEN we have the draft pick we need. We are NOT 1-2 pieces and an OC away from contending.

Progress or repeat the same grade yet again.

Bud, he beat Detroit in Detroit last year and if our defense doesnt allow them to literally walk up and down the field at will everytime they have the ball, we could have won again.

Thats THE most difficult of the difficult.

 

[keasley45]

Geno lacks FIELD VISION. He locks in on his preferred receiver and ignores/doesn't see position of defenders, especially when the field is condensed in the red zone. Picked time after time after time!
But that could be something he can improve such as he displayed in game 18.

Again, what qb not capable of reading beyind his first (or preferred) read and habitually locking onto a player leads the league in accuracy and fewest bad passes?

You understand that those things dont line up. For it to be true, unless he had the most insane luck and the designed (preferred) read is just always open. If that were the case, Grubb would still have a job.

Even analysts who are critical of him say he can make every throw, is extremely intelligent and knows where to go with the ball.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Again, what qb not capable of reading beyind his first read and habitually locking onto a player leads the league in accuracy and fewest bad passes?

You understanf that thise things dont line up.

It seems the grievances against Geno are pulled out of a hat at random around here. There’s no cohesive set of real complaints other than his rate of interceptions needs to go down - which may be true, but the considerations for poor OLine play and the pass heavy playcalling need to be factored in.

Anyone flat out saying Geno needs to go isn’t making that claim based on a rational set of information. Just irrational thoughts about how to improve the team based on their perception and not based on reality.

 

[keasley45]

Geno lacks FIELD VISION. He locks in on his preferred receiver and ignores/doesn't see position of defenders, especially when the field is condensed in the red zone. Picked time after time after time!
But that could be something he can improve such as he displayed in game 18.

Btw l, i dont disagree that he tends to force balls to guys, but that seems to be more a premeditated decision as it is abresult of poor vision. Like his INTs, when he wants to throw to a guy, he does it. And yeah, thats a stubbornness that needs to be remedied, 100%

 

[DarkVictory23]

Like some have pointed out nobody is saying Geno is trash. I am saying he is average on his best days and cannot beat a good team. There are a lot of factors in wins and losses and I think Geno bears some that responsibility.

I want him GONE because he is holding up the process that I think would take us back to being Super Bowl contenders. Another year of Geno is ANOTHER wasted year. In a year we will be exactly where we are today or even a touch worse. A season we win about half the games and barely miss the playoffs and a Draft choice too low to be in the range of getting a top tier QB. Get rid of Geno and BREAK that cycle. Yeah, maybe a bad year next year breaking in a young or rookie QB but if so THEN we have the draft pick we need. We are NOT 1-2 pieces and an OC away from contending.

Progress or repeat the same grade yet again.

The problem with this argument is you want to be from the stance of 'I'm not saying he's trash', but then you create false narratives that severely misstate what he's done... essentially calling him trash. 'Average on his best days' is not even remotely accurate. Cannot beat a good team is not remotely accurate.

Geno wasn't average in Week 4 of 2022 vs. Detroit or New Orleans the next week. He wasn't average vs. Detroit or Dallas last year. He wasn't average vs. Detroit or the last game of THIS season.

In 2022 and 2023, Geno's stats vs. winning teams placed him above average (ranked against 32 other starting QBs) in ANY/A, Passer Rating, and Success Rate (top 10).

You can't try to be the 'reasonable' voice and then try to slide in two very slanted (and inaccurate) takes immediately after.

If you want to have an argument about comparative value and draft strategy and all that, that's fine but you can't start from a fundamentally dishonest place about what Geno represents. And I'm open to that argument. Geno is not getting younger. If you hit on a draft pick, rookie contracts represent by far the best value for dollar you can get. Those are two significant knocks on Geno.

Additionally, with Grubb gone our new OC might have a very specific vision for our offense and Geno is a pocket passer with wheels when he scrambles. That's not a fit for a RPO heavy offense like the Ravens and Eagles run or like the Bills who use designed QB runs as a significant portion of their offense.

But, I would fundamentally disagree with the 'we're not 1-2 pieces and an OC away' argument. We would have been a playoff team if we had Shane Waldron this year. A guy who got fired halfway through this season. That's how close we were (and how far away Grubb was from being NFL ready).

 

[SeaWolv]

I’ve been rough on Geno at times. Who hasn’t? Baltimore fans complain about Jackson not being a pure pocket passer.

But cmon. Last time I checked, by many accounts, we had the 30th ranked O-line.

While I think we’ve seen peak Geno in previous years, that version is a damn good player that could take us far.

Texans are ranked 31 O-line wise. Bengals - 29. I can’t imagine Burrow behind a decent O-line.

Not sure who's ranking you're looking at but PFF has the Patriots at #32, Seahawks #31, Bengals #30, Texans #29, Titans #28 for 2024.

Seahawks were #28 in 2023, and #27 in 2022.

Wilson had #25 in 2021, #14 in 2020, #27 in 2019, #18 in 2018, #27 in 2017, #32 in 2016, #30 in 2015, #19 in 2014 and #27 in 2013.