Geno Smith

[SeaWolv]

I never said he was the only reason they lost. Not once.

Then could you clarify what you mean when you said: "don't get it done in the end"?

 

[SeaWolv]

But he lead the league in turnover worthy throws either last year or the year before. I think the law of averages just snuck up on him. He had a lot of luck the year he lead the league and probably a bit of bad luck this year with a high percentage of them being picked off. He has to make more big plays though and 20 touchdowns last year and 17 this year just isn't very good.

I mean turnover worthy is like saying what could have happened. If you're going to go there then you also have to give him all the almost hit that amazing long bomb throws too.

 

[Ozzy]

I mean turnover worthy is like saying what could have happened. If you're going to go there then you also have to give him all the almost hit that amazing long bomb throws too.

Yeah I don't view them the same. I'm still going to grade him negatively for the near pick in the red zone against chicago. I think its a useful stat for sure.

 

[SonicHawk]

Yeah I don't view them the same. I'm still going to grade him negatively for the near pick in the red zone against chicago. I think its a useful stat for sure.

Geno's turnover worthy throws % are tied for 11th in the league. Behind Cousins, Levis, Baker, Stafford, Maye, Darnold, Hurts, Purdy, Goff, Murray. Tied with Love and Young.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Then could you clarify what you mean when you said: "don't get it done in the end"?

Well, he's the QB, and often he DOESN'T get it done in the end.
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[ruffENrowdy]

Geno's turnover worthy throws % are tied for 11th in the league. Behind Cousins, Levis, Baker, Stafford, Maye, Darnold, Hurts, Purdy, Goff, Murray. Tied with Love and Young.

Look man, I use to yell at thr TV for Russ to throw the damn ball before he got sacked religiously. With Geno, I'd rather him take the sack because it won't be a 50/50 pick ball lol. I get your advanced stats bs, but I know it's not just me that sees Geno makes horrible decisions when the game starts going the wrong direction.

 

[SeaWolv]

Yeah I don't view them the same. I'm still going to grade him negatively for the near pick in the red zone against chicago. I think its a useful stat for sure.

You won't even give him props for the balls that hit receivers in the hands and they drop?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's just not clutch. Some understand, some don't. And that's fine.

 

[SeaWolv]

Well, he's the QB, and often he DOESN'T get it done in the end.
geno dot excuses

Yeah you said that already, what I'm trying to understand is what that means to you. Is this his stat line? Is this his red zone efficiency? Is this his leadership?

 

[ruffENrowdy]

Yeah you said that already, what I'm trying to understand is what that means to you. Is this his stat line? Is this his red zone efficiency? Is this his leadership?

All of the above lol

 

[SeaWolv]

He's just not clutch. Some understand, some don't. And that's fine.

Geno is #13 in game winning drives of current players:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm

 

[SeaWolv]

I think Salk is right, Geno is in the middle. I might argue upper middle but middle none-the-less and it's going to take a better OLine and a nasty MM defense to get them there.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Salk is usually a blowhard, but he def. had some good points.

 

[Ozzy]

You won't even give him props for the balls that hit receivers in the hands and they drop?

You’re missing the point, I don’t think it moves the needle that much. Seattle is one of the best teams in the league in dropped passes.

 

[SeaWolv]

You’re missing the point, I don’t think it moves the needle that much. Seattle is one of the best teams in the league in dropped passes.

We're not one of the best teams, we're right in the middle (#20) so I do think it could move the needle. My point is you can't have it both ways. You either include both or none. Whether it's 3 or 5 of those 21 dropped passes that could have lead to TD's that's a differential of 4-7 points each which could have meant wins in several games this season.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-teams-with-most-dropped-passes-this-season-bm10/

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Hawks are not the 20th best team in the league. They're def. better than that. We have seen geNO at his peak, he's not going to magically improve moving forward.
If anything, he's regressing, especially his decision making.
Just because SEVERAL passes were dropped by defenders, it doesn't mean they didn't happen.

 

[Ozzy]

We're not one of the best teams, we're right in the middle (#20) so I do think it could move the needle. My point is you can't have it both ways. You either include both or none. Whether it's 3 or 5 of those 21 dropped passes that could have lead to TD's that's a differential of 4-7 points each which could have meant wins in several games this season.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-teams-with-most-dropped-passes-this-season-bm10/

I still disagree. Why would 5-7 of those dropped passes be touchdowns? I’d also question that number because other sites have it different. But regardless an interception is weighted way more negatively than a dropped pass. You lose the football. You think dropped passes are costing us 4-7 pts per week? Is that what you’re saying?

 

[Ozzy]

Also if you look at the dropped passes stats most teams are very similar in number so it’s not a stat that moves the needle. If you’re going to remove them to say Seattle could potentially win way more games then why not move the other teams too? Yeah I can’t see this one the way you do respectfully,

 

[toffee]

Geno's turnover worthy throws % are tied for 11th in the league. Behind Cousins, Levis, Baker, Stafford, Maye, Darnold, Hurts, Purdy, Goff, Murray. Tied with Love and Young.

Nah, eyeball tests by dot net experts beg to differ. Geno is Absolutely the worst, bar none.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

geNET?