Redskins logo edited out during game

NoGain

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 28, 2022
Messages
3,161
Reaction score
3,302
It’s not a strategy.
Why not? I stopped paying attention to the national news some months ago and am in a better emotional and psychological place for doing so. If you're a Boomer like me, our time has gone by, the torch has been passed. It's up to Millenials and Gen-Z to make the world a better place.
 

chris98251

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 27, 2007
Messages
40,591
Reaction score
2,919
Location
Roy Wa.
Our society has turned into a bunch of whiners and soft mentality, I love my country, but it is embarrassing these days to say I live here due to the Society we TOLERATE these days. No wonder so many are leaving.
 
OP
OP
Seahawks Guy

Seahawks Guy

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 9, 2012
Messages
13,457
Reaction score
3,421
As a non native American it is not my place to opine on how offensive the logo is.

I do know there is a group called naga dedicated to Native American history that has repeatedly pointed out that the term Redskins is in reference to certains tribes painting their face red, not skin color. They also state that it mascot was created in honor of Native Americans, and call for the logo to be brought back.

There are also studies and polls done that show a majority of Natives find it offensive. Do they naturally find it offensive or did they learn to find it offensive?

I agree with Maulbert. Who cares about a little censorship.
 

Palmegranite

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 17, 2015
Messages
1,996
Reaction score
801
Location
CAN
As a non native American it is not my place to opine on how offensive the logo is.

I do know there is a group called naga dedicated to Native American history that has repeatedly pointed out that the term Redskins is in reference to certains tribes painting their face red, not skin color. They also state that it mascot was created in honor of Native Americans, and call for the logo to be brought back.

There are also studies and polls done that show a majority of Natives find it offensive. Do they naturally find it offensive or did they learn to find it offensive?

I agree with Maulbert. Who cares about a little censorship.
Thank you for that thoughtful reply.
Indigenous people, with their own languages and cultures that predate colonists are not mascots. It's offensive.

It's a start in reconciliation.
 

pmedic920

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Jul 12, 2013
Messages
30,235
Reaction score
5,947
Location
On the lake, Livingston Texas
Why not? I stopped paying attention to the national news some months ago and am in a better emotional and psychological place for doing so. If you're a Boomer like me, our time has gone by, the torch has been passed. It's up to Millenials and Gen-Z to make the world a better place.
Why not?

Because it doesn’t fix any problems.

It just makes you unaware/ignorant of the problems.


ETA
I think I fall into the “boomer” category, and I don’t subscribe to “leave a better planet for our children”, instead I believe we should be making better children for our planet.

IMO
GEN-z and Millennials proves I’m in the minority in my way of thinking, not alone by any means, but certainly in the minority.

30 years ago nobody was offended by the “redskins”, if anyone was it was very few, i believe as stated above it’s a learned emotional response.

Never ceases to amaze me, how intolerant folks that preach tolerance actually are.

Intent means EVERYTHING, and I guarantee that the “redskins” were not named such as an offense or slur.

YMMV
 
Last edited:

pmedic920

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Jul 12, 2013
Messages
30,235
Reaction score
5,947
Location
On the lake, Livingston Texas
As a non native American it is not my place to opine on how offensive the logo is.

I do know there is a group called naga dedicated to Native American history that has repeatedly pointed out that the term Redskins is in reference to certains tribes painting their face red, not skin color. They also state that it mascot was created in honor of Native Americans, and call for the logo to be brought back.

There are also studies and polls done that show a majority of Natives find it offensive. Do they naturally find it offensive or did they learn to find it offensive?

I agree with Maulbert. Who cares about a little censorship.
Nobody cares about “censorship” as long as it’s something they agree with.

The problem with “censorship” is, it’s subjective.

I believe people should be able to say/do whatever they want, and they should reap the benefits or suffer the consequences.

IMHO, blurring out a “redskins” logo is absolutely ludicrous.

It’s posturing, catering to the vocal minority.

Eff that, is my stance.
I won’t win, but that’s how I feel/believe.

“Woke/PC” is a cancer for which there is no cure, it’s certainly not an answer to anything.

YMMV
I mean to ill towards anyone.
 

evergreen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 6, 2013
Messages
1,430
Reaction score
614
Gimme a break. If I owned the team I wouldn't have changed it until the seats were empty. No one cares about the Chiefs? Stanford had to change their name to trees?
 

keasley45

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 4, 2010
Messages
5,008
Reaction score
9,107
Location
Cockeysville, Md
You know what worse than being 'woke'?

The fact that this place was asleep for so long.

180 years of the country massacring the natuvr people eho lived here, enslaving people who had nothing to do with the place. Then 100 more, establihing laws from a constitution that had to be amended to qualify men as equal. Hanging people from trees. Bombing their homes to drive them out neighborhoods they had every right to live in. Passing laws to prevent them from owning property. Allowing narcotics from other countries to be dropped in neighborhoods of color to maintain our very own, western 'caste' system. Liquor fed into Native peoples lands freely, but quality schools and other businesses held up. 'Breeding' native blood out of land owning native peoples to take their land and their rights, hanging folks from trees, burning them. Native peoples being denied the roght to practice traditions Mexicans being doused with gasoline and or DDT and in some cases set on fire to remove lice from them before being allowed to immigrate here.

Even in this league, trying to prove black players couldnt play qb to the point our very own Warren Moon had to play in Canada for years before getting a shot in the US. Black players not being granted medical claims around brain injury on the grounds they werent as smart as white players to begin with. Black QBs STILL being regarded as no quick enough at processing information...

Now 6o years since equal rights, 50 since fair housing, still no acknowledgement as to how drugs so easily get into certain neighborhoods in tbis country, it was just 1968 that the Native American Civil Rights Act was passed (but crap schools are still there, the alcohol is still there and native children disappear at a disproportionate rate on reservations).

... and 4 years since the NFL acknowledge 'race-norming' around brain injury.

And folks are getting upset over an Fing racist logo / team name being censored?

I dont even think they should censor it. Disallowed? Yes. But No - better to leave it to remind us all of how disgustingly 'sleep' and ignorantly blind this place (for all its promise) had been in TRULY ackowledging how UN EQUAL it continues to be.

60 years out of 250 of half hearted equality and people are annoyed at a logo being censored, 2 years after it was cancelled.

And 'wokeness' is the problem...
 

jammerhawk

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 5, 2007
Messages
10,924
Reaction score
2,552
The horrible shortsighted world of 'political correctness' certainly leads to a great deal of confused thinking. "Redskins" were back when thought of as great and frightening warriors so to me the reality of censoring that image from the sight of a portion of our messed up society of finds offence in small things allowing for no variation from their "right thinking" viewpoint is denying history.

There is little question the federal and state governments, churches and many supposed community organization treated First nations people horribly in their attempts to homogenize them by force or close to force into lockstep with the rest of society the results have been a failure.

My belief it is not an insult to call an aboriginal person a "redskin" though I suspect many might disagree.

I think the previous ownership of the Washington team needed to push back against the political correctness movement that took away one of the great team names in the NFL. Up next, "The Chiefs?"

Perhaps this post begins to stray too far into political discussion though that discussion is something that needs to be had and repeated.
 

Latest posts

Top