Geno Smith the headcase

[Ozzy]

Yup. But the thing is, he's not even 'hood'. The dude is extremely intelligent. From what I've read, he's a stand-up guy in every way. Great teammate. Great leader. He just did this interview with Sherm and i personally don't see what folks dont like about him. Its a good watch / listen.



Even former teammate Greg Olson commented sunday that he was impressed with Geno as a leader and a qb when he was here, saying he was incredibly accurate,... talented...

Ive said it before, if it was Burrow here, or Herbert putting up the exact same numbers, the tone from some would be different, entirely.

Its just that its Geno doing it thats the issue.

They wouldn’t though. Burrow has played behind some terrible lines. He would be much better. Geno isn’t as good as Burrow. That’s the point. When you argue things like this you’re arguing that Geno is in the upper elite echelon.

He is accurate. His accuracy is near elite. He just makes terrible mistakes at times. No one argues he isn’t accurate.

 

[pittpnthrs]

How much does a league bottom rung game, defense and o line contribute to a .500 record? Bro, if you need to be convinced that being the worst in the league in 3 MAJOR performance categories isnt enough to relegate you to the dregs of the league, there is nothing more to be said here.

The ONLY reason we havent been a 3 or 4 win team the last 2 years has been Geno Smith.

But apparently turning garbage into a winning record is something any average , 18th ranked QB can do.

Look Keaslet, we've been beating a dead horse here. Geno has played well. He's a good to decent QB, but I can't see him as being great or elite. He's just not. There's other QB's that could do what he does. That's all.

 

[Ozzy]

Keasley, he's ranked in the 12-19 range because of all the stats you ignore. You mention his accuracy, but refuse to mention the passes that should have been intercepted or his piss poor redzone efficiency. There's more stats than just accuracy and yardage, but it doesn't paint Geno in a good light so I understand you not bringing them up.

Also, about the line and the defense and the running game and your plea to name other QB's that have played under the same circumstances,,,,,,,I don't know if any other QB played under those situations because i've never bothered to look, but the question remains, do you honestly believe Geno Smith is the only QB capable of doing the things he has done? Honestly? And let's just be real and get this out of the way,,,,,,do you think the weapons Smith has helps him out some?

Again with the winning record thing. I guess 9-8 is technically a winning record, but it's as close to average as you can get in todays NFL with the extra game. It's not that impressive. It's such a weak accomplishment that it got an entire coaching staff canned after two years of it, but by all means, you can keep hanging on that as some type of triumph.

People ignore the weapons point too. Geno has a stable of weapons that are some of the best in the league. It obviously helps him.

 

[pittpnthrs]

There's a gap the size of the grand canyon between your "pretty well" and "God's gift".

Is there though. He's played well and has been pretty solid, but he's not some elite QB people are making him out to be.

 

[pittpnthrs]

How many great QBs do you think there are?

Currently or all time?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Ran out, gotta' go make up another batch.............

 

[Ozzy]

Look Keaslet, we've been beating a dead horse here. Geno has played well. He's a good to decent QB, but I can't see him as being great or elite. He's just not. There's other QB's that could do what he does. That's all.

And even if people disagree this isn’t a crazy take, it’s reasonable and has been pointed out it’s how the league views him as well.

Now I bet we’re all hoping the recent line changes make a big impact and Geno plays lights out because he is capable of long stretches of great play. No one is rooting against him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not 1 person is rooting against him. That would be just plain dumb. He's our QB, we want and need him to finish games like he did on Sunday.
Not much to ask. He's certainly capable. Now let's see how he does these final 7 games. Esp. against the Rams, Cards, Vikes and GB.

 

[Sperrydogg]

No

How much does the worst defense, bottom 2 running game and bottom 5 o line contribute to the a 9-8 record?

And that happened both years he started.

And if the FO tbought he was incapable of making us better than .500, why was he retained and the entire coaching staff let go.

Would love to hear your answer.

They’re actually part of every game; all the other guys on the team.

 

[ScipioAfricanus]

People ignore the weapons point too. Geno has a stable of weapons that are some of the best in the league. It obviously helps him

People ignore the weapons point too. Geno has a stable of weapons that are some of the best in the league. It obviously helps him.

Agreed on the weapons part - very strong trio of receivers and a good RB..... but list his "weapons" on the offensive line.

IMO - Geno is somewhere in the 10-12 range. But with a solid offense line, he would easily be 5-7 range. IF you make allowances for Burrow being behind a bad offensive line, then you have to have to make the same allowances for Geno. AND, if you think this Oline is solid to good, how do you explain the stats that say absolutely otherwise?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Somewhere between 12-15, imo. And that's pretty damn good. What's a bummer is being blasted and talked to like you're an idiot if you don't think he's top 10 or even top tier. It's just strange. To me. Sadly, it's more about personal shots at people than it is just talking football much of the time.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I could care less about all those stats. I trust my eyes and the win loss. What I see is Geno is often terrible and sometimes surprisingly good. What I don’t see is will to win. Patrick mahomes, even Russell,(not comparing them just pointing out what I think will to win is) when the game is on the line I have almost no doubt they will get the job done, with Geno I have almost no doubt he’s going to miss the snap, trip over the center, trip over the turf, or throw the ball to the other team. And that he has the most comeback wins is cool, but… they still were .500, so what he had to come back in all of the games? And if you want to show stats like that then what teams did he come back against? And why did he always have to come back?
Also this win against the 49ers was not done by Geno’s arm and football intelligence, it was done because all the cars got cleared off I5 and you coulda drove a school bus into that end zone. How many of you are convinced if he had to throw that ball that he woulda got it, I mean there’s a chance I guess…

 

[keasley45]

They wouldn’t though. Burrow has played behind some terrible lines. He would be much better. Geno isn’t as good as Burrow. That’s the point. When you argue things like this you’re arguing that Geno is in the upper elite echelon.

He is accurate. His accuracy is near elite. He just makes terrible mistakes at times. No one argues he isn’t accurate.

No. You entirely missed the point. Im arguing that if his name was Burrow and he put up the exact same numbers, the argument from those critical of Geno would be that he's doing the best he can... with such a horrible line, horrible defense and horrible running game.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Geno isn't the same level at Burrow or Mahomes. It's not even close, imo.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I don’t think geno sucks even though I say it like ten times a game….

 

[Sperrydogg]

Geno isn't the same level at Burrow or Mahomes. It's not even close, imo.

I wonder how many times a game chiefs fans say Patrick you suck

 

[Sperrydogg]

I’d still take Anthony Richardson

 

[Ozzy]

No. You entirely missed the point. Im arguing that if his name was Burrow and he put up the exact same numbers, the argument from those critical of Geno would be that he's doing the best he can... with such a horrible line, horrible defense and horrible running game.

Ok apologies then. I think, and I could be wrong, that we're overstating those three things as if they only apply to Geno. A lot of teams struggle in multiple areas and QB's can still put up massive numbers. Hell I argued Russ did with similar issues and it was called a bad argument so its odd it applies to Geno but not other QB's. Burrow for example, and I realize this isn't the point you were making has had much worse situations and put up video game numbers. I say this to say this sort of shows Geno is a good, not great QB.

Even this Niners game the line played much better and the defense was fantastic. How did Geno do? He had an up and down game but also had a great drive to end it. I don't think Geno even with a lot of changes does a ton better than what he is now. Fixing those things doesn't improve your decision making a ton and I think he would still have that issue. I also think we get a chance to see though. The defense appears to be much better and the line looks like its trending in the right direction too. We shall see and I guarantee everyone in this thread is rooting for Geno and the team to improve.

I don't think your argument is without merit, I just think it might be a little overstated here that's all. I could be wrong.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Geno smith is the nerdy kid who always loses then just when you start to feel sorry for the clumsy little guy he wins one and says “night night”

 

[Sperrydogg]

Currently or all time?

Pshhh all time