Our OC belongs in college

[andyh64000]

He definitely doesn't have a NFL scheme.

 

[Chukarhawk]

He's fine. Awful O line play and mental mistakes.

 

[Fox0r]

He's fine. Awful O line play and mental mistakes.

I don't care how awful your offensive line is. When the other team is missing their MLB and you run the ball 16 times for 19 yards in the rain at home it's your OC's problem.

 

[Fox0r]

He definitely doesn't have a NFL scheme.

People disagree, but you're right. Grubb is a trash play caller and his schemes are vanilla and suck.

 

[Chukarhawk]

I don't care how awful your offensive line is. When the other team is missing their MLB and you run the ball 16 times for 19 yards in the rain at home it's your OC's problem.

you posted stats that disprove your own argument. If you are running the ball 16 times and netting 19 yards you have a problem on the O-line. By your logic if we ran it 30 times for 40 yards the outcome would have somehow been different. This was the WORST Oline in the NFL to begin the season, and it still is. When you get behind you aren't going to be running the ball much. Your biggest problem is you don't realize this a rebuild. You expect were going to look like a decent team. We're not. By the end of next year, we should see improvement. Mike is going to jettison a ton of guys at the end of the year.

 

[Fox0r]

you posted stats that disprove your own argument. If you are running the ball 16 times and netting 19 yards you have a problem on the O-line. By your logic if we ran it 30 times for 40 yards the outcome would have somehow been different. This was the WORST Oline in the NFL to begin the season, and it still is. When you get behind you aren't going to be running the ball much. Your biggest problem is you don't realize this a rebuild. You expect were going to look like a decent team. We're not. By the end of next year, we should see improvement. Mike is going to jettison a ton of guys at the end of the year.

It's pretty obvious this is a rebuild.

 

[Maelstrom787]

He's fine. Awful O line play and mental mistakes.

They're a ridiculously sloppy squad, and that's on coaching.

This is absolutely a college offense. No flow, can't run it. It's heinous.

Should've let his ass follow DeBoer.

 

[Maelstrom787]

you posted stats that disprove your own argument. If you are running the ball 16 times and netting 19 yards you have a problem on the O-line. By your logic if we ran it 30 times for 40 yards the outcome would have somehow been different. This was the WORST Oline in the NFL to begin the season, and it still is. When you get behind you aren't going to be running the ball much. Your biggest problem is you don't realize this a rebuild. You expect were going to look like a decent team. We're not. By the end of next year, we should see improvement. Mike is going to jettison a ton of guys at the end of the year.

Offensive line play is not the only thing that matters for rushing production.

The concepts matter. The playcalling matters. The structuring of WHEN runs are called in the sequences matter.

They don't have a single rushing concept yet that works, and being one dimensional is NOT helping the OL, and is NOT helping the rest of the offense.

 

[andyh64000]

Offensive line play is not the only thing that matters for rushing production.

The concepts matter. The playcalling matters. The structuring of WHEN runs are called in the sequences matter.

They don't have a single rushing concept yet that works, and being one dimensional is NOT helping the OL, and is NOT helping the rest of the offense.

We had success the first 3 games because opposing DCs were expecting balance, as soon as they realized we can't run the offense has been atrocious outside of 2 minute and garbage time.

 

[Maelstrom787]

We had success the first 3 games because opposing DCs were expecting balance, as soon as they realized we can't run the offense has been atrocious outside of 2 minute and garbage time.

We are going to be the easiest gameplan all year for any opposing DC unless they get their heads out of their asses.

Going with inexperience on the offensive staff sure does feel like complete idiocy with a first time defensive HC in hindsight.

 

[KevinGates323]

I don't care how awful your offensive line is. When the other team is missing their MLB and you run the ball 16 times for 19 yards in the rain at home it's your OC's problem.

NO. its the OL.. KW3 was getting tackled before he even touched the ball

 

[Maelstrom787]

NO. its the OL.. KW3 was getting tackled before he even touched the ball

That could also be a poorly coached or poorly implemented rushing play.

 

[Fox0r]

NO. its the OL.. KW3 was getting tackled before he even touched the ball

Is it the OL or an OC who has no idea how to design a successful run blocking scheme?

 

[12th Dimension]

Our D is terrible and our trenches are soft. That's our problem. I sort like Grubbs. His opening sequence need work and he sucks in the red zone but he's the only coach earning his keep so far.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Is it the OL or an OC who has no idea how to design a successful run blocking scheme?

A first time NFL OC, with a first time NFL OL coach, under a first time NFL HC who also calls the defense.

What could go wrong?

 

[Fresno Hawk]

I've seen enough of Grubb. I sure hope Mike is not like Pete and will hold onto him longer than he should. Grubb needs to drastically change some things if he is going to be a offensive coordinator in the NFL.

 

[DarkVictory23]

It can be both Grubb's playcalling AND offensive line play... and it is.

Grubb reacts to failing runs and getting behind in points the way a college OC reacts and that's not sustainable at the NFL level. To be fair to Grubb, he's only been an NFL level OC for 8 games and he has a flat-out pile of putrid garbage for an offensive line.


I don't think we need to become a run-heavy or run-first team. We weren't in 2022 when our offense was good, we weren't in 2023 when our offense was ok, and we won't be this year with whatever our offense turns out to be.

To be clear, it's not just calling too many pass plays that's Grubb's problem. He also situationally calls to many run plays and also not enough creativity in his run plays.

Last week was Grubb's best called game (for 3 quarters) in terms of balance. Why? Because we were playing with a lead and he didn't revert to his college tendencies. He just let the offense go. But come the fourth quarter when we were kind of starting to play out the clock but didn't quite have the game locked down, we became very, very predictable with a very vanilla 3-straight rushing plays.

When we get inside of the 10, we also get very vanilla and just try to hammer the rock up the middle.

This is where the problem lies. Grubb gets into a one-dimensional thought process in too many situations.

Were behind? Spam the passing game to hurry up and get back in the game.

Were at the goal line? Spam the running game to pound the rock in.

We need to burn clock? Spam the running game to burn the clock.

He only is creative when we are ahead and everything is working. I don't buy that he can't get better, though.

 

[Fox0r]

He definitely doesn't have a NFL scheme.

On the bright side at this rate he will be back in college soon enough.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Never mind our OC, our O-line belongs back in college.

How do you reasonably expect Grubb to call effective plays if our O-line blocks for SH!T!!!

 

[Fox0r]

Never mind our OC, our O-line belongs back in college.

How do you reasonably expect Grubb to call effective plays if our O-line blocks for SH!T!!!

Dear God anything but that. If they were back in college we might redraft one of them.