Geno's Decision to Slide

[Hawknight]

Why are other QB's fighting for yards, all the time? It should be a GIVEN that your starting QB has nothing but that first down in mind.

It's only strange when the opposing QB's are not fighting for yards, we seems to be gifting them to them...

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Good point. Here, have a first down. We won't tackle you anyway..........at least until you push us back and move the chains.

 

[keasley45]

Are we allowed to question St. Geno now?
Nice!

Its not whether questioning is ok, its the need to characterize his effort as sub-par, lazy, or making business decisions.

There are plays every week where a player judges the line of gain and turns out to be wrong.

He OBVIOUSLY came up short and had he judged it better, would have got the first down.

It just smells like grasping for something to be overly critical of so that some folks can slide back into the 'Geno ... I dont know... ' echo chamber.

He's the same dude who was making plays behind an o-line no other QB in the league of his caliber has to play with and he STILL manages to be just about our only offense.

If he were making 'business decisions' he woukdnt be hanging in the pocket the way he does and completing the insane percentage of passes he has over the last few weeks, to say nothing for the first downs he has orchestrated. It takes much bigger balls to stand in the pocket actually not bracing yourself for the violence of a hit , following through with a pass, than to be the offensive player SEEING contact coming and actually initiating it. Its not like he had to go BEASTMODE to get the yard. He coukd have shimmied and taken an angle and still avoided full on contact.

If he were a 'business decision' making kind of player, he wouldnt be sprinting down the field on that fumble return of DKs last week where he got completely destroyed.

A qb slide is pretty standard in the league and encouraged. He misjudged it, likely thinking he didnt HAVE to run through anyone to get the yardage.

I think had the situation been clearer and the first down had fallen on a yard stripe rather than in between hashes in the middle of the field and there were defenders at it, he would have approched it differently. He hasnt remotely shown to be the kind of guy to fear contact in the course of a play.

 

[renofox]

Its not whether questioning is ok, its the need to characterize his effort as sub-par, lazy, or making business decisions.

There are plays every week where a player judges the line of gain and turns out to be wrong.

He OBVIOUSLY came up short and had he judged it better, would have got the first down.

It just smells like grasping for something to be overly critical of so that some folks can slide back into the 'Geno ... I dont know... ' echo chamber.

He's the same dude who was making plays behind an o-line no other QB in the league of his caliber has to play with and he STILL manages to be just about our only offense.

If he were making 'business decisions' he woukdnt be hanging in the pocket the way he does and completing the insane percentage of passes he has over the last few weeks, to say nothing for the first downs he has orchestrated. It takes much bigger balls to stand in the pocket actually not bracing yourself for the violence of a hit , following through with a pass, than to be the offensive player SEEING contact coming and actually initiating it. Its not like he had to go BEASTMODE to get the yard. He coukd have shimmied and taken an angle and still avoided full on contact.

If he were a 'business decision' making kind of player, he wouldnt be sprinting down the field on that fumble return of DKs last week where he got completely destroyed.

A qb slide is pretty standard in the league and encouraged. He misjudged it, likely thinking he didnt HAVE to run through anyone to get the yardage.

I think had the situation been clearer and the first down had fallen on a yard stripe rather than in between hashes in the middle of the field and there were defenders at it, he would have approched it differently. He hasnt remotely shown to be the kind of guy to fear contact in the course of a play.

I think Geno's mom hacked Keasley's account. Mods, can you check this out?

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Whether he judged wrong or made a business decision is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. We have no way of knowing. He needs to understand the situation and distance better or he needs to take a hit and fight for that first down. There is no excuse either way.

 

[Ozzy]

Its not whether questioning is ok, its the need to characterize his effort as sub-par, lazy, or making business decisions.

There are plays every week where a player judges the line of gain and turns out to be wrong.

He OBVIOUSLY came up short and had he judged it better, would have got the first down.

It just smells like grasping for something to be overly critical of so that some folks can slide back into the 'Geno ... I dont know... ' echo chamber.

He's the same dude who was making plays behind an o-line no other QB in the league of his caliber has to play with and he STILL manages to be just about our only offense.

If he were making 'business decisions' he woukdnt be hanging in the pocket the way he does and completing the insane percentage of passes he has over the last few weeks, to say nothing for the first downs he has orchestrated. It takes much bigger balls to stand in the pocket actually not bracing yourself for the violence of a hit , following through with a pass, than to be the offensive player SEEING contact coming and actually initiating it. Its not like he had to go BEASTMODE to get the yard. He coukd have shimmied and taken an angle and still avoided full on contact.

If he were a 'business decision' making kind of player, he wouldnt be sprinting down the field on that fumble return of DKs last week where he got completely destroyed.

A qb slide is pretty standard in the league and encouraged. He misjudged it, likely thinking he didnt HAVE to run through anyone to get the yardage.

I think had the situation been clearer and the first down had fallen on a yard stripe rather than in between hashes in the middle of the field and there were defenders at it, he would have approched it differently. He hasnt remotely shown to be the kind of guy to fear contact in the course of a play.

Brock when talking to Salk about that play agreed with Salk. I agree he didn't make a business decision and think that's a little unfair but it was absolutely a mental mistake that just can't happen. To argue otherwise seems like we're letting a bias come into play. I haven't seen anyone outside of a couple of massive Geno homers argue it wasn't a bad mental mistake and a lack of awareness. I'm not killing Geno, every player makes mistakes at times. Yesterday that play, the DK fumble and a couple of other plays go differently we may win.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Whether he judged wrong or made a business decision is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. We have no way of knowing. He needs to understand the situation and distance better or he needs to take a hit and fight for that first down. There is no excuse either way.

How dare you bring up facts, Fender.

 

[nanomoz]

50/50. I take bigger issue with the playcall on 4th and 1. Geno knew it was close, and I'm sure he was confident in the team's ability to pick up a couple of feet. Righly or wrongly.

 

[hox]

50/50. I take bigger issue with the playcall on 4th and 1. Geno knew it was close, and I'm sure he was confident in the team's ability to pick up a couple of feet. Righly or wrongly.

Grubb's short yardage play calls needs work.

Fades? No. Low-percentage.
Shotgun run in a tight space with a weak interior o-line? No.
Playaction with a good rusher left unblocked on Stone Forsythe's side? No.

 

[RiverDog]

I'm with Fender. First thing I thought of was Fig Newton.

As an aside, Russ, even today's Russ, even Russ on the sidelines in street clothes...gets that first down.

Absolutely.

And speaking of Russ/Scam Newton, when Newton refused to jump on the loose ball in the Super Bowl, a couple members of the LOB, despite having profound differences with Russell and Pete's special treatment of him, ie the not black enough, came out and said (and I'm paraphrasing) that Russell would have crawled through the hubs of hell to get that ball back.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

There is NO chance that Russ wouldn't have got that first down yesterday. OR, that he wouldn't have done anything to get that ball in the Super Bowl. ZERO. He was fearless, he did what it took. I'm sure the Russ is Satan crew won't even actually acknowledge that, but it's flat out a fact. Like him or not, he was a tough SOB.
Shoot, just yesterday, we saw Jones pushing hard to get yardage, even knowing he would get blasted.
And NO, I don't want them to ever have to put in Howell, but he would bust a leg getting that first down. Guaranteed.

 

[knownone]

Geno runs for 11 yards on 3rd down, and some of you are criticizing him for sliding a few inches short of the line. He thought he had the first down. It's impossible to know precisely where the line is, and there's no reason for him to sacrifice his body on a 3rd down early in the fourth.

 

[RiverDog]

Its not whether questioning is ok, its the need to characterize his effort as sub-par, lazy, or making business decisions.

There are plays every week where a player judges the line of gain and turns out to be wrong.

He OBVIOUSLY came up short and had he judged it better, would have got the first down.

It just smells like grasping for something to be overly critical of so that some folks can slide back into the 'Geno ... I dont know... ' echo chamber.

He's the same dude who was making plays behind an o-line no other QB in the league of his caliber has to play with and he STILL manages to be just about our only offense.

If he were making 'business decisions' he woukdnt be hanging in the pocket the way he does and completing the insane percentage of passes he has over the last few weeks, to say nothing for the first downs he has orchestrated. It takes much bigger balls to stand in the pocket actually not bracing yourself for the violence of a hit , following through with a pass, than to be the offensive player SEEING contact coming and actually initiating it. Its not like he had to go BEASTMODE to get the yard. He coukd have shimmied and taken an angle and still avoided full on contact.

If he were a 'business decision' making kind of player, he wouldnt be sprinting down the field on that fumble return of DKs last week where he got completely destroyed.

A qb slide is pretty standard in the league and encouraged. He misjudged it, likely thinking he didnt HAVE to run through anyone to get the yardage.

I think had the situation been clearer and the first down had fallen on a yard stripe rather than in between hashes in the middle of the field and there were defenders at it, he would have approched it differently. He hasnt remotely shown to be the kind of guy to fear contact in the course of a play.

I am not questioning Geno's courage or saying that he made a business decision not to go for the first down. I agree, he hasn't shown an aversion to contact in the past that might explain his decision to slide. I don't know what his motivation was and am reluctant to speculate. I would like to think that he simply lost track of the game situation, and had he been more cognizant, wouldn't have slid, but I don't know that for sure.

What I do know is that there is not a good reason for him not to have gotten that first down.

 

[jeremiah]

Say what you want about Jones, and most think he sucks. He's one tough mofo.

He looks like a winner to me, he is WAY ahead of Geno at a similar time in his career. People give up too early on QB's. I'd take Bo Nix in a heartbeat, but unless Denver gets rid of that coach, he will be moved on somewhere else to be successful. YOU JUST DON'T CHEW on the guy you want to be the Franchise on the sideline. You can pull him aside and do so discreetly.

 

[MORGULON]

I'm not sure if this subject was broached in another thread and I don't have enough time to sort through everything, so I wanted to ask a question and see if anyone else saw the same thing I did. I didn't have the sound on our game as I was watching, preferring to have the Red Zone volume on, so I didn't hear if any of the broadcasters saw what I saw. Additionally, the game was so painful to watch in real time that I don't want to re-live that nightmare.

The 4th quarter had just started, and we were down 20-13 and had the ball 3rd and 12 at our own 24. Geno makes a nice decision to run and gets to the line to gain, but instead of diving headfirst and assuring us of a first down, he goes into a hook slide, leaving us a yard short. On the subsequent 4th and one play, he takes a sack, turning the ball over on our own 27. The Giants take over on downs and end up kicking a FG, making it a two-score game in the 4th quarter.

Did anyone else pick up on that? Does anyone have an acceptable excuse why he wouldn't have lowered his head and gotten the first down?

It's these types of plays that really frustrates me when multi-million dollar athletes lose track of the game situation. And please, I don't want to hear any more talk about Geno being an MVP. Ugh.

Yeah . I yelled and scared my napping wife that he slid too soon. You'd think a professional NFL QB would know where the sticks were and the seriousness of the situation.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Geno runs for 11 yards on 3rd down, and some of you are criticizing him for sliding a few inches short of the line. He thought he had the first down. It's impossible to know precisely where the line is, and there's no reason for him to sacrifice his body on a 3rd down early in the fourth.

Dayum. I realize the dude walks on water, but for ONCE, just admit he made a crappy play.

There's no way reason to sacrifice his body? In a football game?

I give up.

 

[keasley45]

Brock when talking to Salk about that play agreed with Salk. I agree he didn't make a business decision and think that's a little unfair but it was absolutely a mental mistake that just can't happen. To argue otherwise seems like we're letting a bias come into play. I haven't seen anyone outside of a couple of massive Geno homers argue it wasn't a bad mental mistake and a lack of awareness. I'm not killing Geno, every player makes mistakes at times. Yesterday that play, the DK fumble and a couple of other plays go differently we may win.

100%.
Dude misjudged.

 

[MORGULON]

As horrifying bad as they performed, they were in position to win that damn game.

 

[hgwellz12]

As horrifying bad as they performed, they were in position to win that damn game.

It's the Seahawks way. Honestly, I hate losing close games due to mental lapses and dumbshit we can control. Would much rather get beat down and know there was nothing they could have done.

 

[Hawkpower]

Geno rarely has made choices that aren't aggressive so I don't think he made a business decision

Geno HAS on the other hand demonstrated mental lapses in the past that have left us scratching our head.

I am going to go with mental lapses here. Especially compounded by the fact that sliding essentially loses you a few yards with the way they spot them, and sliding should never really be go-to choice anywhere near the sticks in a critical point in a ballgame

You can dive and still keep yourself safe. Winners (and players who are thinking smartly) find a way