pittpnthrs
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Ryan Leaf needs a mention
Who will go down as the biggest bust?
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hawkfan68
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Young is in his 2nd year on a pathetic team that has given him no support (lack of talent around him). Panthers traded their best WR so they could pick Young. If you are going to grab a rookie QB you don't trade your #1 WR in the process. IMO, Kyler Murray should be on that list too.
With all that said, Jamarcus Russell is the biggest bust of them all. No doubt about it.
With all that said, Jamarcus Russell is the biggest bust of them all. No doubt about it.
RiverDog
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You guys are limiting your thinking to contemporary players. Terry Baker, Gary Beban, Andre Ware, and Gino Torretta were all quarterbacks that won Heisman Trophies yet didn't do squat in the pros.
My thoughts:
Leaf / Russell: Not eligible the context of the question was for players who there is some doubt how much of a bust they will be regarded as being in 5 years, that implies people that are still playing
Trevor Lawence: Thrown into a very poor team and streuggled in his rookie season , but in 22 & 23 was a decent QB, a lot of hype that the Jags would be contenders this year with Lawence a possible MVP, three poor games this year does not make him a bust though MVP talk was total garbage.
Caleb Williams: Too early to tell I would't rule him out being a bust but he has plenty of time to improve, prety much equally likely Daniels and Maye will be regarded as busts in 5 years.
Justin Fields: 3 years at Chicago was disappointing but not to the extent of a bust (or at least at a level of a "biggest bust"), he was the 4th QB drafted in 2021 and is significantly better than the guys drafted at 2 and 3. His career to date he has perfomed at a similar level to the first 3 years of Mitch Trubisky but where Fields was drafted at 12, Trubisky was drafted at 2.
Bryce Young: 1st overall getting benched early in your 2nd season is definately a strong sign you are heading for a bust. A likely candidate for "Biggest bust"
Other: I see Young's competitors for biggest bust as Z. Wilson, and Lance. I see Trubisky as likely to be considered more of a bust than Lawence and Fields.
Leaf / Russell: Not eligible the context of the question was for players who there is some doubt how much of a bust they will be regarded as being in 5 years, that implies people that are still playing
Trevor Lawence: Thrown into a very poor team and streuggled in his rookie season , but in 22 & 23 was a decent QB, a lot of hype that the Jags would be contenders this year with Lawence a possible MVP, three poor games this year does not make him a bust though MVP talk was total garbage.
Caleb Williams: Too early to tell I would't rule him out being a bust but he has plenty of time to improve, prety much equally likely Daniels and Maye will be regarded as busts in 5 years.
Justin Fields: 3 years at Chicago was disappointing but not to the extent of a bust (or at least at a level of a "biggest bust"), he was the 4th QB drafted in 2021 and is significantly better than the guys drafted at 2 and 3. His career to date he has perfomed at a similar level to the first 3 years of Mitch Trubisky but where Fields was drafted at 12, Trubisky was drafted at 2.
Bryce Young: 1st overall getting benched early in your 2nd season is definately a strong sign you are heading for a bust. A likely candidate for "Biggest bust"
Other: I see Young's competitors for biggest bust as Z. Wilson, and Lance. I see Trubisky as likely to be considered more of a bust than Lawence and Fields.
But we know exactly how much of a bust those guys will be considered in 5 years time. I thought the OP was only interested in contemporary players.
RiverDog
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That was my impression, too. But as the comments started coming in, it quickly became an all-time QB bust sort of a topic, so I thought I'd expand the discussion.
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Waiting to be impressed by Bruce Young, but he's in a very poor team
Trevor Lawrence had a decent spell early lad season but I'm not convinced
Caleb Williams has underwhelmed so far
I'd take Justin Fields, doing ok at Steelers n was better at Bears when they signed DJ Moore
Kyler Murray ..... you must be joking .... decent QB
Trevor Lawrence had a decent spell early lad season but I'm not convinced
Caleb Williams has underwhelmed so far
I'd take Justin Fields, doing ok at Steelers n was better at Bears when they signed DJ Moore
Kyler Murray ..... you must be joking .... decent QB
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I was thinking Mirer should be on the list also.
chris98251
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Rick Mirer wasn't so bad, he got David Carr syndrome, and it took like 5 years for him to recover, he went on to be a decent back up for a few other teams.
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Not necessarily while he might have not done anything on the field, he became the greatest bargaining tool for a rookie pay grade scale and helped alleviate a growing nuisance of rookies thinking they deserve everything without proving anything. It was a big win for consistent team building.
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JaMarcus Russell and it's not close. Not only was he the #1 overall pick, but this was before rookie deals were capped by the 2011 CBA. Oakland paid him over $36M from 2007 - 2009. The salary cap in 2009 was $123M.
Bryce Young's total guaranteed contract is $38M, but the cap now is more than double what is was in 2009.
Plus, I still think Bryce has a chance to re-build his career.
Trey Lance has to be the pick under the current CBA. Jerry trades for him to create some leverage over Dak ---- how'd THAT work out hahah.
Bryce Young's total guaranteed contract is $38M, but the cap now is more than double what is was in 2009.
Plus, I still think Bryce has a chance to re-build his career.
Trey Lance has to be the pick under the current CBA. Jerry trades for him to create some leverage over Dak ---- how'd THAT work out hahah.
I voted Young.
If he pulls out a recovery it will be an amazing story.
If he pulls out a recovery it will be an amazing story.
I did not take $/contract into account.
I suppose we probably need to, aside from the financial aspect I stand my ground w/Young.
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Russell is top of the pyramid, there is only those beneath him. He should be left out of this convo because he is top dog forever [probably].
In all the failures defenses, a lot of first rounders end up being trash, and the others are bench warmers/rotational guys. Not a bad thing, serve a purpose, but that's still a bust to me. If I'm signing the check, I need my investment to be a corner stone player.
In all the failures defenses, a lot of first rounders end up being trash, and the others are bench warmers/rotational guys. Not a bad thing, serve a purpose, but that's still a bust to me. If I'm signing the check, I need my investment to be a corner stone player.
chris98251
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Don't think you can take contracts into effect, the many decades of the NFL wages and Salaries skew with the times and are relative. Think of a burger flipper in the 60's what they made and what they make now.
Also reading thru this everyone focuses on QB's, what about Ka Jana Carter, or other players at positions that were supposed to be the answer? Oh one last thing Steve Young was a bust for the Bucs, he left them but he was not a bust as a player.
