Why no McIntosh?

[nanomoz]

its 100% this. In this offense with a line this bad if you can't block, you're not seeing the field.

It's a good thing a stat line doesn't tell the story. Charbs was good.

I think he had 3 first down catches, 2 of them were big time first downns, one required some impressive YAC. He caught all 5 targets.

And you're right, I saw him completely save Geno's arse at least twice.

 

[CPHawk]

I know I along with a lot of others in the Gameday thread were asking for them to put McIntosh in over Charbonet after it was clear that the running game was going absolutely nowhere especially with a slower running back. What’s the point of having McIntosh on the team if when you are clearly unsuccessful running the ball, you won’t put him in?

Sidenote: I also found it strange that they gave Grubb game ball over Geno Smith???

Grubb only wanted to get 2 yards a carry.

And how do we know Geno didn’t also get a game ball?

 

[The Breh]

What a few of you are noticing is the benefit of having different skillsets. Charbs wasn't drafted to be a Murray backup but as a complementary piece. He's a downhill runner who runs hard, blocks well and has good hands. He contributes on special teams and is a good chance of pace back/goal line back/third down back.

With the benefit of hindsight, Charbs probably did hesitate too much yesterday. The Patriots front seven was better than expected and the running lanes were clogged, and he erred on the side of trying to find a big play when that really isn't his skillset. He's better off just decisively hitting whatever hole there is and driving forward with one occasional cut back. Murray would have done better on some of those carries as an extremely explosive runner who can occasionally turn nothing into a home run.

That doesn't mean that Holani or McIntosh should have gotten more play - I like them but neither of them are Kenneth Murray. Sometimes you are missing a key player and that's just how it is.

Who is this Kenneth Murray individual you mention multiple times?

 

[sc85sis]

What a few of you are noticing is the benefit of having different skillsets. Charbs wasn't drafted to be a Murray backup but as a complementary piece. He's a downhill runner who runs hard, blocks well and has good hands. He contributes on special teams and is a good chance of pace back/goal line back/third down back.

With the benefit of hindsight, Charbs probably did hesitate too much yesterday. The Patriots front seven was better than expected and the running lanes were clogged, and he erred on the side of trying to find a big play when that really isn't his skillset. He's better off just decisively hitting whatever hole there is and driving forward with one occasional cut back. Murray would have done better on some of those carries as an extremely explosive runner who can occasionally turn nothing into a home run.

That doesn't mean that Holani or McIntosh should have gotten more play - I like them but neither of them are Kenneth Murray. Sometimes you are missing a key player and that's just how it is.

Walker, not Murray.

 

[LeveeBreak]

It's a good thing a stat line doesn't tell the story. Charbs was good.

I think he had 3 first down catches, 2 of them were big time first downns, one required some impressive YAC. He caught all 5 targets.

And you're right, I saw him completely save Geno's arse at least twice.

He does provide another passing game dynamic. That gives Grubb and Geno par or better vs K9.

This doesn’t mean we won’t see KM next week either. They had to give charbs the focus this week. Hopefully we get K9 back for the next game, but adding another dynamic in the background against Miami might be interesting.

 

[AgentDib]

Who is this Kenneth Murray individual you mention multiple times?

He reminds me a lot of DeMarco Murray. Similar weight and explosiveness with a lower center of gravity, but the same slipperiness and balance that was constantly turning nothing into something. Murray gave us fits a couple of times when our front seven was still very good.

 

[Lagartixa]

McIntosh is also a slower back. He's a bit more smooth but overall is a 4.6 speed guy and it shows on tape. He's just smaller.

I would say he’s way faster than Charbonnet.

Maybe "quicker," but probably not faster, and definitely not "way faster."

McIntosh's 10-yard split on the 40 at the Combine is marginally better than Charbonnet's, and Charbonnet's 20-yard split is marginally better than McIntosh's. When I say "marginally," I'm talking about two hundredths of a second, so the two are, to measurement accuracy, tied in both of those.

However, Charbonnet's 40 time is significantly better than McIntosh's. @Maelstrom787 is right that we're talking about two slower-than-average backs here.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

But at UW, they did a lot of motion stuff. Hand it the WR in motion, let him hit that corner. He's clearly fast enough to get it done. A lot more than just pounding into a brick wall over and over again.