Ricky Pearsall Shot

[Ostatehawk]

His nickname is about to be "Wick" in the locker room.

 

[HOF Hater]

Murder in Seattle is up over 40%. Tacoma has a shooting almost every night.

Tacoma today is not as bad as it was last year or the year before and Seattle compared to last year is not over 40 percent increase, it's actually on the decline despite the month of May being it's worst month of the year so far. Now if you're comparing that to pre-pandemic numbers then yes I'll agree to that but so far this year it's been on a steady decline from last year.

 

[Aircrew]

San francisco is a shithole now thanks to those running it. Same with Seattle. Pretty sad when Goodwill closes their doors because crime is so out of hand.

Elections have consequences.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

I think we can all at least agree that statistics cannot fully capture reality, and can be very misleading. The perception is that crime is high right now. It certainly feels that way.

If the stats are based on reports or convictions, then they can be heavily skewed based on how often people are reporting crimes or if they are getting convictions.

 

[bigskydoc]

We have to be careful to look at crime rates, not crime numbers, as the population grows. When rates are plotted over time, it is pretty clear that they are way down from the triple highs of the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

These things can't go down forever, and will asymptotically approach their lower limit. The closer to that lower limit we get, we can expect to see occasional counter trends. Nothing goes up nor down in a straight line forever.

We saw a potential trend reversal, starting in 2015 and worsening in 2020, that now appears to be just a counter trend "rally," though it is early yet. Rates peaked sometime in 2021-2022, and have been declining from that peak. That peak was roughly 40% down from the all-time highs.

Being said, crime stat manipulation has been going on forever, and the FBI has certainly has their hand in the cookie jar. I personally believe that the people responsible for tracking most crime stats, will fudge their numbers over time, then take advantage of excuses like periods of national unrest, and pandemics, to give themselves some breathing room in their manipulation.

Seen through that lens, I think the lows were exaggerated, as were the 2015 and 2020 highs. I think it is pretty clear that, on a national level, crime is down over the last 40 years. I think it is also clear that it is a little up from the absolute lows of 2014, but still way down from the 80's.

 

[bigskydoc]

But all that is on the national level, with all localities consolidated. The picture can be quite different when looking at specific towns over time.

 

[12th Dimension]

Tacoma police released new data revealing violent crime is trending down due to its evidence-based policing strategy, however, murders and business robberies rose.

I think Fender nailed it. To me, crime and specifically property crime, carjackings, and drug crimes with guns present, has skyrocketed and is worse than any other time I can remember.

 

[Cyrus12]

Nah, they don't seem to even have a salary cap. Magic $ available to sign all their stars.

True. But then lose yet again to the Chiefs...maybe next year...

 

[cymatica]

You can't prove that I'm wrong which is why you're trying to go off of the narrative that the FBI changed the formulation of the statistics. Yes there has been spikes of certain crime in certain parts of the country but overall crime has been on a downward trajectory for years, your paranoia of it isn't going to change that.

US homicides and violent crime overall are down significantly, according to FBI data

FBI data reveals a decline in US murder rates in 2024, with Northeastern's James Alan Fox highlighting a three-decade downward trend.

news.northeastern.edu

That is what they did, it's not a narrative it is a verified fact. A narrative would be to claim crime has gone down by excluding parts of the country that always have the most crime.

 

[chris98251]

Seattle and Tacoma are two of the worst places in the country for crime in general, defunding has it's consequences, they can't even get people to come work here in law enforcement despite upping salary etc. Criminals know they can't chase, they are restricted in what aggression and defense they can use, they are all on camera, not all is bad, but when you come to Washington it's one extreme or another, we can't have a middle ground for some reason.

The no chase is also why Car theft is so high in the area, car thieves know once moving the cops will back off.

Also, between population explosion and that our insurance rates skyrocket as well.

 

[Biscanebay12]

Tacoma today is not as bad as it was last year or the year before and Seattle compared to last year is not over 40 percent increase, it's actually on the decline despite the month of May being it's worst month of the year so far. Now if you're comparing that to pre-pandemic numbers then yes I'll agree to that but so far this year it's been on a steady decline from last year.

Complete denial.

 

[JPatera76]

SO Yeah RICK PEARSALL got shot... (back on topic) Dude will play, meanwhile Jamal Adams has to sit out over a bruise.

 

[Biscanebay12]

SO Yeah RICK PEARSALL got shot... (back on topic) Dude will play, meanwhile Jamal Adams has to sit out over a bruise.

Adams is good just made of glass.

 

[cymatica]

SO Yeah RICK PEARSALL got shot... (back on topic) Dude will play, meanwhile Jamal Adams has to sit out over a bruise.

CJ Prosise says hi

 

[Threedee]

His nickname is about to be "Wick" in the locker room.

Why not Rolex?

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Elections have consequences.

Going by that logic Republicans shouldnt have won in Florida after Tank Dell got shot in April. St Louis, New Orleans, Memphis etc all have sky high murder rates.

This isn't a blue vs red thing.

 

[jeremiah]

SF is no worse than any city of it's size, neither is Seattle.

You are correct, but cities of this size did not have this level of crime, or vagrancy/homelessness in my memory. Just 20 years ago, more or less, HS kids would ride the ferry from Bremerton would travel to Seattle, and wander around without worry. It is much different since then.

 

[hgwellz12]

Seattle and Tacoma are two of the worst places in the country for crime in general, defunding has it's consequences, they can't even get people to come work here in law enforcement despite upping salary etc. Criminals know they can't chase, they are restricted in what aggression and defense they can use, they are all on camera, not all is bad, but when you come to Washington it's one extreme or another, we can't have a middle ground for some reason.

The no chase is also why Car theft is so high in the area, car thieves know once moving the cops will back off.

Also, between population explosion and that our insurance rates skyrocket as well.

Raise your hand if you want police chasing some dumbass thru Rainier Avenue at high speeds for stealing a car.

 

[chris98251]

Raise your hand if you want police chasing some dumbass thru Rainier Avenue at high speeds for stealing a car.

Well guess what you can chase them without going high speed pursuit, even when I was a kid driving the Radio is your friend and gets ahead of the driver, I was caught more than a few times by them using radios, they have cameras on almost every intersection now, they have drones now, so there are options besides driving 80 to 120 miles an hour on highways hoping to catch someone who is going to wreck that car anyway trying to get away. Hell they can shoot a car with a electronic marker and just follow it as well.

Why these options are not used I have no idea.

Also would it be different if the stolen car was involved in a drive by shooting, robbery, hit and run? Or do we just let them go and hope they turn themselves in after thinking about it?

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

You are correct, but cities of this size did not have this level of crime, or vagrancy/homelessness in my memory. Just 20 years ago, more or less, HS kids would ride the ferry from Bremerton would travel to Seattle, and wander around without worry. It is much different since then.

There's nuances to the problems in every big city.

A lot of cities are busing their problems to the west coast. Massively inequality. Allowing mentally ill people out on the streets without care or medication.

There's always been homelessness in Seattle, it was just less obvious but read things like Mark Lanegans memoir in the 1990s and they were all camped under I5 at the Jungle. A lot of cities do a good job of hiding it from where the tourists are to help with perceptions but still do a bad job addressing it.

In Vancouver, a lot move to the west coast to get away from the cold etc.

Chicago- a lot of the guns in the gun crimes are from ones bought in Indiana and driven over.

Violent crime is a lot higher in the south due to poverty issues.