Geno looked crazy good tonight

[pittpnthrs]

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Literally no one has said or even so much as implied that Geno Smith is better than Patrick Mahomes.

A lot are saying he has similiar qualities and has even set records Mahomes hasen't so what are others to think?

 

[Chukarhawk]

So in 2023 despite all the numbers and stats you or anybody can or want to dig up, you don't think or believe that Geno Smith and his RECORD BREAKING number of 4th quarter go-ahead touchdowns didn't do something that normal QB's couldn't do to propel his team to victories, sustain drives and make passes average QBs could only dream of making?

Remember, what I'm saying here is that Geno Smith did something that no other QB in NFL history has been able to do. What you're saying is Geno Smith is not Patrick Mahomes.

I mean how many was that? dude only passed for 20 TD's all year, that's barely 1td per game. It was good to see him get some come from behind wins, but you are acting like he was some offensive juggernaut. Dude might have 1 4td game in his entire career. Let's see how our guy does with a better Oline before we start crowning this guy elite.

 

[Double Tribble]

^This. And I'm another who could care less what his stats are as long as he wins. Russ continually won despite not putting up gaudy passing yds numbers, because in his prime, he was incredibly efficient, and clutch. For Geno, all that matters is will he refuse to lose in the biggest games? So far, he hasn't shown that he can. If he can't do it this year with an improved defense and oline, then how much more rope are people willing to give him? I get being patient, but 34 year old leopards don't change their spots. They are who they are. If he proves me wrong, then yayy for us. But in my opinion, our patience shouldn't be unlimited.

 

[CallMeADawg]

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Literally no one has said or even so much as implied that Geno Smith is better than Patrick Mahomes.

Around here, saying Geno is good instantly gets a response about Mahomes or Brady.

I see people saying he's a good QB, which of course he is. I expect him to have a better season because of the line improvements and moreso because god awful Shane Waldron is gone.

 

[DarkVictory23]

This board sometimes lol. Basically Geno is better than Mahomes. ROFL

What in the world are you talking about? Who in the world said that? Where was that even implied? This is just you dodging engaging on substance and falling back to a tired strawman.

I get it. You know who Patrick Mahomes is. We all do. Saying his name over and over does not constitute an argument.

^This. And I'm another who could care less what his stats are as long as he wins. Russ continually won despite not putting up gaudy passing yds numbers, because in his prime, he was incredibly efficient, and clutch. For Geno, all that matters is will he refuse to lose in the biggest games? So far, he hasn't shown that he can. If he can't do it this year with an improved defense and oline, then how much more rope are people willing to give him? I get being patient, but 34 year old leopards don't change their spots. They are who they are. If he proves me wrong, then yayy for us. But in my opinion, our patience shouldn't be unlimited.

Russ continually won because he started his career with an all-time great defense and a future HOF running back. Wins are not a QB stat! We need to stop treating them that way. Saying your only measure of whether a QB is good or not is 'wins' is the same as saying you don't really have any idea how to evaluate a QB.

To clarify, nobody is saying Geno is better than prime Russ. He's not. Stop having that argument.

But you are here happily giving Russ credit for being on a team that was great in ways he had nothing to do with but holding Geno responsible for a team being bad in ways he also has nothing to do with.

 

[chris98251]

Russ didn't elevate anyone, he early on gave himself more time by running around, scramble drill and the deep ball. If anything Lynch and the defense elevated Russell. We didn't see it really at the time, but really is true in my book.

It's not all on him, Pete needs to own like 65 percent of it on how he worked game management.

 

[Maelstrom787]

A lot are saying he has similiar qualities and has even set records Mahomes hasen't so what are others to think?

They could try thinking "this person is obviously bringing up data points that show that Geno is a capable passer by showing statistics in which he compares favorably to even the best quarterback in the league."

Not everything has to be this black-and-white exercise of "oh, this guy said Geno compared favorably to Mahomes in 2023 in a few selected statistics to support the viewpoint that Geno has done well given the circumstances, so that means he's saying Geno is better than Mahomes."

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Geno isn't in the same stratosphere as Mahomes. And that's fine, nobody really is.

• 3× Super Bowl champion (LIV, LVII, LVIII)
• 3× Super Bowl MVP (LIV, LVII, LVIII)
• 2× NFL Most Valuable Player (2018, 2022)
• NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2018)
• 2× First-team All-Pro (2018, 2022)
• Second-team All-Pro (2020)
• 6× Pro Bowl (2018–2023)
• 2× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2018, 2022)
• NFL passing yards leader (2022)

And he's all of 28 years old.

 

[themunn]

I'll make it easy. Do you think Geno Smith could have replicated what Rivers did with the Chargers career wise?

There's a reason why Smith rode the pine behind QB's like Rivers and Wilson. Some seem to be forgetting why.

We'll never know. But what we DO know is that Philip Rivers was never named All Pro (first team or second team) throughout his entire career, never once made it to a superbowl, only once made it to an AFC Championship game, was bounced in his first playoff game despite playing with a record-setting (and yet to be broken) MVP Ladanian Tomlinson at the peak of his career, and he had just 9 games out of 240 where he threw 4+ TDs, losing 3 of them. Of those 6 wins only ONE was against a team with a winning record.

Yet he is a first ballot hall of famer, who "elevated his team many, many times" according to you.

Do I think that Geno Smith is capable of doing all of the above? Yes I do.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I mean how many was that? dude only passed for 20 TD's all year, that's barely 1td per game. It was good to see him get some come from behind wins, but you are acting like he was some offensive juggernaut. Dude might have 1 4td game in his entire career. Let's see how our guy does with a better Oline before we start crowning this guy elite.

I found this hard to believe myself at first, but the 20 TDs thing isn't as bad as it sounds. Passing stats were way, way down last year. Only 4 passers had 30+ TDs league-wide last year. The passing stats for last year look straight outta 2006.

Geno had 20 TD passes in 15 starts.

Matthew Stafford had 24 in 15 starts.

Patrick Mahomes had 27 in 16 starts.

CJ Stroud had 23 in 15 starts.

Trevor Lawrence had 21 in 16 starts.

Sam Howell had 21 in 17 starts (with the most pass attempts in the league).

Joe Burrow was on pace for 22.5 (15 through 10 starts)

Kyler Murray was on pace for about 21 (10 through 8 starts)

It definitely wasn't great (Geno had the 17th most passing TDs in the league, likely would've been ranked about 13th if he didnt miss some time) but I think the whole "no running game in the redzone or on third and short" thing made it really, really tough to finish the job consistently.

 

[CallMeADawg]

They could try thinking "this person is obviously bringing up data points that show that Geno is a capable passer by showing statistics in which he compares favorably to even the best quarterback in the league."

Not everything has to be this black-and-white exercise of "oh, this guy said Geno compared favorably to Mahomes in 2023 in a few selected statistics to support the viewpoint that Geno has done well given the circumstances, so that means he's saying Geno is better than Mahomes."

You could have left this at:

They could try thinking.

The poster you were responding to repeatedly shows the inability to do this on their own.

 

[Chukarhawk]

started to rewatch last year's games and man they are hard to watch. The defense is just so bad. Ability to run the ball was nearly nonexistent and our red zone offense had to be the worst in the league. Geno should be good enough to get us a playoff win if the defense actually looks like a real defense, and we can run the ball with a modicum of success. Geno throws absolute lasers; he is VERY accurate, and I think throws the best-looking ball in the league. I'd like to see him scramble more when plays break down and not wait until it's too late.

 

[Ozzy]

The idea that Russ didn't elevate anyone is absolutely crazy talk. Russ hate continues to cause revisionist history that is goofy at best. I'm not going to get into it because its the same usual players.

Geno has to play much better than he has since the magical first half of the season he had when he kicked his starting job off. He's been much, much better than anyone expected and I think this team is really set up for him to have a monster season. But he had 20 touchdowns last year. That number probably needs to double if he's going to win MVP. Is that likely? No but I also don't have a problem with someone thinking he has a chance to do it.

I would love another efficient, 30 touchdown season from Geno and I think he has a decent shot to do that this year.

 

[CallMeADawg]

started to rewatch last year's games and man they are hard to watch. The defense is just so bad. Ability to run the ball was nearly nonexistent and our red zone offense had to be the worst in the league. Geno should be good enough to get us a playoff win if the defense actually looks like a real defense, and we can run the ball with a modicum of success. Geno throws absolute lasers; he is VERY accurate, and I think throws the best-looking ball in the league. I'd like to see him scramble more when plays break down and not wait until it's too late.

I did this, well tried to anyhow. The offensive play calling woes got too cringe to watch for very long. Waldron was in way over his head.

 

[chris98251]

The idea that Russ didn't elevate anyone is absolutely crazy talk. Russ hate continues to cause revisionist history that is goofy at best. I'm not going to get into it because its the same usual players.

Geno has to play much better than he has since the magical first half of the season he had when he kicked his starting job off. He's been much, much better than anyone expected and I think this team is really set up for him to have a monster season. But he had 20 touchdowns last year. That number probably needs to double if he's going to win MVP. Is that likely? No but I also don't have a problem with someone thinking he has a chance to do it.

I would love another efficient, 30 touchdown season from Geno and I think he has a decent shot to do that this year.

Who did he make better ? Baldwin and the receivers doing the scramble drill bailed him out more then the designed plays. Lynch the most contact in the backfield for multiple years running making yards out of nothing. He never or rarely used the TE, in fact the reason being he needed the extra blockers. The defense holding teams close and getting turnovers made him look good. So who elevated who, yes he made the games exciting with his hero ball concept, he also caused heart attacks and strokes to increase in Seattle fans by probably 100 percent. I did say that Petes game management was probably 65 percent or so of the issue.

 

[CouchLogic]

Geno isn't in the same stratosphere as Mahomes. And that's fine, nobody really is.

• 3× Super Bowl champion (LIV, LVII, LVIII)
• 3× Super Bowl MVP (LIV, LVII, LVIII)
• 2× NFL Most Valuable Player (2018, 2022)
• NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2018)
• 2× First-team All-Pro (2018, 2022)
• Second-team All-Pro (2020)
• 6× Pro Bowl (2018–2023)
• 2× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2018, 2022)
• NFL passing yards leader (2022)

And he's all of 28 years old.

Damn, that dude is stupid, lol.

 

[knownone]

I found this hard to believe myself at first, but the 20 TDs thing isn't as bad as it sounds. Passing stats were way, way down last year. Only 4 passers had 30+ TDs league-wide last year. The passing stats for last year look straight outta 2006.

Geno had 20 TD passes in 15 starts.

Matthew Stafford had 24 in 15 starts.

Patrick Mahomes had 27 in 16 starts.

CJ Stroud had 23 in 15 starts.

Trevor Lawrence had 21 in 16 starts.

Sam Howell had 21 in 17 starts (with the most pass attempts in the league).

Joe Burrow was on pace for 22.5 (15 through 10 starts)

Kyler Murray was on pace for about 21 (10 through 8 starts)

It definitely wasn't great (Geno had the 17th most passing TDs in the league, likely would've been ranked about 13th if he didnt miss some time) but I think the whole "no running game in the redzone or on third and short" thing made it really, really tough to finish the job consistently.

Total touchdowns for a single season are also not a great indicator of a quarterback's ability. Even all-time great quarterbacks have a high variance in their season-to-season totals. Russ, for example, has seven seasons with similar per-game TD averages as Geno in 2023. Yet people forget them because of his more magical 30+ TD seasons.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Not everything has to be this black-and-white

A lot of the times, it needs to be.

 

[chris98251]

For those with simple minds probably, but many things have layers to them and you need to peel them back to get the real picture and answers.

 

[pittpnthrs]

We'll never know. But what we DO know is that Philip Rivers was never named All Pro (first team or second team) throughout his entire career, never once made it to a superbowl, only once made it to an AFC Championship game, was bounced in his first playoff game despite playing with a record-setting (and yet to be broken) MVP Ladanian Tomlinson at the peak of his career, and he had just 9 games out of 240 where he threw 4+ TDs, losing 3 of them. Of those 6 wins only ONE was against a team with a winning record.

Yet he is a first ballot hall of famer, who "elevated his team many, many times" according to you.

Do I think that Geno Smith is capable of doing all of the above? Yes I do.

According to me? That's the opinion of many NFL pundits also. When Geno is in that conversation, come back and we'll talk.