Did you read what I wrote? I compared Bill and Pete to explain why one was on the hot seat and the other was not. Where's the defense? Where's the prognosticating?Your still actually defending Pete and see better things coming?
Did you read what I wrote? I compared Bill and Pete to explain why one was on the hot seat and the other was not. Where's the defense? Where's the prognosticating?Your still actually defending Pete and see better things coming?
I can understand why some may view it that way, but to me a rebuild is tearing it to the foundations and re-building it up again.Interesting. So, some people think moving on from a potential HoF QB does not constitute the start of a rebuild.
Ok I agree, last year felt like a rebuild but this offseason felt like Pete really thought we were going to go far in the post season with the moves he made and it looks to have failed so miserably that we might have to rebuild again this offseason.He moved on from his franchise QB. By most definitions, that's a rebuild. But alright.
As bad as the taste in your mouth may be, it is nothing like the misery the Patriots are in currently.
They don't deserve sympathy, hell nah. I'm just saying that the past stretch for them in terms of results and, more importantly, the insane decisions that have them as a total bottom-feeder are far worse than what we've been enduring under Pete.Oh, poor Patriot fans, Patriots suck now after SIX super bowls with a single coach/QB combo.
They'll be fine. I'd love to be in their shoes right now, six SBs during the modern era. I mean, c'mon, they don't really deserve any sympathy.
Did you read what I wrote? I compared Bill and Pete to explain why one was on the hot seat and the other was not. Where's the defense? Where's the prognosticating?
The crazy thing is, losing Josh McDaniels as his OC unraveled it.Bill is feeling the effects of not having a stud QB and he has no answers for it. Pete is also feeling those effects now.
Okay. But let's clarify any semantic confusion. Did your expectations for the team remain unchanged after trading Wilson? Because last offseason, you said, "Get rid of the top 5 QB, but keep the 70 year old fossil to rebuild" (1). I'm just curious about what has changed since then to alter your opinion of the situation.Mentioning the playoffs and how its early in the rebuild (which its not even a rebuild).
My bad. I took it the wrong way. I apologize.
Well I’d argue some of their moves since the date of that post would change opinion. They’ve made numerous moves that lean towards win now and mortgaged their future which you don’t do in a rebuild.Okay. But let's clarify any semantic confusion. Did your expectations for the team remain unchanged after trading Wilson? Because last offseason, you said, "Get rid of the top 5 QB, but keep the 70 year old fossil to rebuild" (1). I'm just curious about what has changed since then to alter your opinion of the situation.
Personally, my expectations for Pete haven't changed; I don't think rebuilding in this sense is an excuse for failure. Instead, I'm using "rebuild" because I have no idea how else to concisely express the concept of moving on from Brady and Russ.
1: www.seahawks.net/threads/its-happened-wilson-traded.178760/page-4#post-2613815 - bold used for emphasis
Fair argument, but not at all relevant to my initial comment. I used moving on from a franchise QB as a reference point. In other words, Brady leaving the Patriots four years ago was the moment the Patriots started rebuilding. Obviously (maybe?), that doesn't mean they've been rebuilding in perpetuity since that point. If anything, they've failed in their rebuild.Well I’d argue some of their moves since the date of that post would change opinion. They’ve made numerous moves that lean towards win now and mortgaged their future which you don’t do in a rebuild.
Okay. But let's clarify any semantic confusion. Did your expectations for the team remain unchanged after trading Wilson? Because last offseason, you said, "Get rid of the top 5 QB, but keep the 70 year old fossil to rebuild" (1). I'm just curious about what has changed since then to alter your opinion of the situation.
Personally, my expectations for Pete haven't changed; I don't think rebuilding in this sense is an excuse for failure. Instead, I'm using "rebuild" because I have no idea how else to concisely express the concept of moving on from Brady and Russ.
1: www.seahawks.net/threads/its-happened-wilson-traded.178760/page-4#post-2613815 - bold used for emphasis
Fair argument, but not at all relevant to my initial comment. I used moving on from a franchise QB as a reference point. In other words, Brady leaving the Patriots four years ago was the moment the Patriots started rebuilding. Obviously (maybe?), that doesn't mean they've been rebuilding in perpetuity since that point. If anything, they've failed in their rebuild.
Man who famously shits on every action the team takes, good or bad, as well as shits on those who root for the team anyway in their current state, says he is the true fan and everyone else is essentially an irrational cultust."Rebuilding"? Rebuilding what? "Oh, but went to the playoff and promptly lost to any team with a pulse for 8 years" AND? Some here want either a Super Bowl Contender OR a team BUILDING a Super Bowl contender. Many of us would happily suffer through a couple Losing season if at the end we had a decent coach, a franchise QB and some actual HOPE of getting back to the Super Bowl. Even the biggest sunshine pumpers here do not pretend we have had a legitimate Super Bowl contender in years. But hey some parents are happy if their kids get Cs and some want their kids to get As. I refuse to live in the blissful world of little or no expectations or accountability but several here are. They love Pete Carroll MORE than the Seahawks and will make every failure the failure of every body else BUT Pete Carroll. Basically just versions of that idiot Russell Wilson fan that left for the Broncos board.
But then they ruined him because they didn't have the infrastructure to support him.The Patriots drafted a QBOTF though even if he hasen't worked out. Hell, they drafted two of them.
Well NE screwed up so badly with Jones that’s it’s unlikely to be that bad here if we drafted one. Most teams at least make reasonable moves to help whoever is picked. I would assume JS is smart enough to use that as one of many pieces to help him succeed. I think Bill B just got too arrogant and could make anything work.But then they ruined him because they didn't have the infrastructure to support him.
If anything, doesn't this argument explicitly work against drafting QBOTFs simply to say you drafted one?
Also, does Zappe really count? I don't think we can consider arm-limited fourth rounders as real QBOTF's. Seems like more of a backup QBOTF pick.
But then they ruined him because they didn't have the infrastructure to support him.
If anything, doesn't this argument explicitly work against drafting QBOTFs simply to say you drafted one?
Also, does Zappe really count? I don't think we can consider arm-limited fourth rounders as real QBOTF's. Seems like more of a backup QBOTF pick.
Really? You seriously had no expectations for the team when they were winning 11-12 games every season?My expectations for the team has been pretty nonexistent for 5 or 6 years now so no they haven't changed since Russ was sent packing. As for the rebuild comment, I thought for sure they would at least try to draft a QBOTF but they insisted on riding with two middle of the road QBs. That's why it isn't a rebuild. Carroll thinks he can win with those two shmucks. Without a QBOTF it will never be a rebuild.
Also, if you read my comment you'll notice I wasn't happy about them getting rid of Wilson and I was also elaborating that I suspected a rebuild, but that's not what happened.
Here's the entire quote- "This organization is just insufferable. Get rid of the top 5 QB, but keep the 70 year old fossil to rebuild. The FO will screw up any decent draft picks so get used to being cellar dwellers for the next 10 years."
This is a fair point.Sometimes the QB makes the infrastructure. Wilson did it for years in Seattle.
Zappe was still drafted though (he's better than Jones) so they must have saw something in him.