Things not looking good in Bronco land

[MizzouHawkGal]

I actually think he's a good backup. He looked horrible a year ago in preseason. This year he actually looked like an average QB, which is good. Pete is probably one of the best coaches in the league for backup QBs and misfits, which is why the team fell apart after they got cute.

Back to Lock, I have a suspicion that Pete relates to him personality wise and is trying to have him be Geno's successor when the time comes. He, just like Geno did, needs to mature. I have a good feeling about him, which doesn't mean jack, but I thinking he'll be a pretty good QB if I'm the right place

Fine but Pete is here max 2 more seasons hopefully no more after this year it's time to stop the madness and draft an actual quarterback and do an actual rebuild because San Francisco and Purdy aren't leaving and Pete has no clue against McVay and they are reloading fast And Arizona doesn't seem to have heard they are expected to quit for Caleb. That's a team a draft away from an elite defense at worst.

 

[hawkfan68]

Fine but Pete is here max 2 more seasons hopefully no more after this year it's time to stop the madness and draft an actual quarterback and do an actual rebuild because San Francisco and Purdy aren't leaving and Pete has no clue against McVay and they are reloading fast And Arizona doesn't seem to have heard they are expected to quit for Caleb. That's a team a draft away from an elite defense at worst.

If Pete is only here for two more years, why would he want to do a rebuild? Those things are things seem contradictory (short time and rebuilding). I would think he would want to keep with what's working and let the next guy after him do the rebuild (if they so desire). Pete could go 0-16 and he's not going to be fired. That's certainly not happening since they already won 2 games so far.

 

[chrispy]

We can all hear RCW saying, "You gotta have a short memory. Focus now is on next week. We have to prepare like this is a championship game because it is....".

The problem is that avoids all accountability and encourages the same mistakes repeatedly. The offense can call plays that RCW is more likely to pull off, but if there's no accountability for mistakes it bleeds into other parts of the team. Is it a coincidence that RCW had good personal stats while the LOB fell from grace? ...and that's a feeling now documented from RCWs teammates in Seattle. Isn't this the same scenario playing out in Denver? Denver D, 2 yrs ago, was arguably the best in the League. Now they're giving up 70 and talking to the media about it. It's falling/fallen apart because of an accountability void.

I read an article about bedbugs in Paris spreading everywhere. People are finding them on public transportation so they're spread is uncontrollable. (Olympics around the corner too!). That's RCWs lack of accountability. It spreads like a parasite and sucks the life blood from teammates. He'll continue to put up above average personal numbers and lose winnable games. The team will underachieve and he'll act like he's made of Teflon.

I'm done with my rant... Sorry if it offends. That's not my purpose. I don't even dislike RCW. He just needs to be held accountable and that's different than hate.

 

[AnimeAmore]

We can all hear RCW saying, "You gotta have a short memory. Focus now is on next week. We have to prepare like this is a championship game because it is....".

The problem is that avoids all accountability and encourages the same mistakes repeatedly. The offense can call plays that RCW is more likely to pull off, but if there's no accountability for mistakes it bleeds into other parts of the team. Is it a coincidence that RCW had good personal stats while the LOB fell from grace? ...and that's a feeling now documented from RCWs teammates in Seattle. Isn't this the same scenario playing out in Denver? Denver D, 2 yrs ago, was arguably the best in the League. Now they're giving up 70 and talking to the media about it. It's falling/fallen apart because of an accountability void.

I read an article about bedbugs in Paris spreading everywhere. People are finding them on public transportation so they're spread is uncontrollable. (Olympics around the corner too!). That's RCWs lack of accountability. It spreads like a parasite and sucks the life blood from teammates. He'll continue to put up above average personal numbers and lose winnable games. The team will underachieve and he'll act like he's made of Teflon.

I'm done with my rant... Sorry if it offends. That's not my purpose. I don't even dislike RCW. He just needs to be held accountable and that's different than hate.

Russell doesn't play on the side of the ball that gave up 70. You can argue that the offense is designed to make him look good, but if the defense does its job then it should be enough to win more often than not.
Show me a QB that can win with a defense giving up 70 points.

 

[LastRideOut]

but if the defense does its job then it should be enough to win more often than not.

2022 Denver Broncos record: 5-12.

 

[hawkfan68]

We can all hear RCW saying, "You gotta have a short memory. Focus now is on next week. We have to prepare like this is a championship game because it is....".

The problem is that avoids all accountability and encourages the same mistakes repeatedly. The offense can call plays that RCW is more likely to pull off, but if there's no accountability for mistakes it bleeds into other parts of the team. Is it a coincidence that RCW had good personal stats while the LOB fell from grace? ...and that's a feeling now documented from RCWs teammates in Seattle. Isn't this the same scenario playing out in Denver? Denver D, 2 yrs ago, was arguably the best in the League. Now they're giving up 70 and talking to the media about it. It's falling/fallen apart because of an accountability void.

I read an article about bedbugs in Paris spreading everywhere. People are finding them on public transportation so they're spread is uncontrollable. (Olympics around the corner too!). That's RCWs lack of accountability. It spreads like a parasite and sucks the life blood from teammates. He'll continue to put up above average personal numbers and lose winnable games. The team will underachieve and he'll act like he's made of Teflon.

I'm done with my rant... Sorry if it offends. That's not my purpose. I don't even dislike RCW. He just needs to be held accountable and that's different than hate.

I can't speak to accountability for Russell but while he was still here other players were also not held accountable. How many offsides penalties did we have to suffer through from Michael Bennett? How many times did they occur on a crucial downs only to extend drives? Yet, nothing changed. So it's not just an RW problem while he was here.

I don't care what he does with the Broncos so I won't comment on that. That's a different culture there than here and totally different coaches/FO. Has nothing to do with what he has done here with the Seahawks.

 

[AnimeAmore]

2022 Denver Broncos record: 5-12.

Yes, but Wilson wasn't doing *his* job last season. Hence, if the defense does *its* job this season, they should win more often than not. It makes no sense to complain about a player this season because of his performance last season. Last year was the time to complain about last season. This may sound crazy, but why not judge Wilson in 2023 on his 2023 performance?

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

The real problem with Wilson, is he can collect stats, and "look good on paper", but in times it's really needed, he's a guaranteed sack, maybe 3 and out. There are QBs like that. loaded with talent, able to throw productively, but unable to win.

If he's on a dominant team that can cover for his deficiencies, they can win, but ultimately, he's not as good as his statistical breakdown suggests.

He's never taken the time, or had the ability to really read the defense. If he see's a guy open on his first read or two fine, but after that he just runs around and tosses to whoever. That can work with the right team and right athleticism, but Wilson is past his prime.

Personally I'm not mad at him, nor do I dislike him. I wish him success, but I don't see him ever really finding it again. If he could play for the right team, with the right folks around him, he might could win a lot again, but the NFL isn't like that. No one is going to fit pieces around him, other than maybe Denver, (and only because they are financially committed) because no one believes in him anymore. It's sad really.

 

[LastRideOut]

Yes, but Wilson wasn't doing *his* job last season. Hence, if the defense does *its* job this season, they should win more often than not. It makes no sense to complain about a player this season because of his performance last season. Last year was the time to complain about last season. This may sound crazy, but why not judge Wilson in 2023 on his 2023 performance?

250mil, and he "doesn't do his job". But this year, he is! Crazy.

Let's get real. It's easy to do your job when you are so far behind, that the only choice is to sling it.

 

[keasley45]

Yes, but Wilson wasn't doing *his* job last season. Hence, if the defense does *its* job this season, they should win more often than not. It makes no sense to complain about a player this season because of his performance last season. Last year was the time to complain about last season. This may sound crazy, but why not judge Wilson in 2023 on his 2023 performance?

Did you actually watch the games? The best he looked all season was in the first half of the Dolphins game. The second half he padded his stats on underneath that Miami gave him.

He did make some solid plays in the first half, but his game of late is all 1st half and zero after halftime when defenses adjust.

For examole, the Commanders game. He was abysmal toeard the end if the first half and all.of the second up until the hail mary.

The Raiders game? He had players available down field all game and was too tentative to pull the trigger. The game was a check-down special.

Thats Russ in 2023. He's had 2 qtrs that potentially look different than he has for the last 3 years. Ok to great 1st half. Solved the rest of the game. Good on the deep ball. At best average in throwing concepts that require timely reads beyon the 1st route.

 

[toffee]

Did you actually watch the games? The best he looked all season was in the first half of the Dolphins game. The second half he padded his stats on underneath that Miami gave him.

He did make some solid plays in the first half, but his game of late is all 1st half and zero after halftime when defenses adjust.

For examole, the Commanders game. He was abysmal toeard the end if the first half and all.of the second up until the hail mary.

The Raiders game? He had players available down field all game and was too tentative to pull the trigger. The game was a check-down special.

Thats Russ in 2023. He's had 2 qtrs that potentially look different than he has for the last 3 years. Ok to great 1st half. Solved the rest of the game. Good on the deep ball. At best average in throwing concepts that require timely reads beyon the 1st route.

Just felt like Wilson would do poorly in S2 test, and for 'all the time' he spent in film rooms, he isn't good at football iq either.

 

[IndyHawk]

Frank is not old, but somehow he is playing like he has passed his prime.

He's been past it for awhile..Got fat off the $$$ shows up when he feels like it.

 

[morgulon1]

I actually think he's a good backup. He looked horrible a year ago in preseason. This year he actually looked like an average QB, which is good. Pete is probably one of the best coaches in the league for backup QBs and misfits, which is why the team fell apart after they got cute.

Back to Lock, I have a suspicion that Pete relates to him personality wise and is trying to have him be Geno's successor when the time comes. He, just like Geno did, needs to mature. I have a good feeling about him, which doesn't mean jack, but I thinking he'll be a pretty good QB if I'm the right place

We might be in the minority but I agree with you in thinking Lock has starter potential. Just think of all the previous and current Geno detractors. Drew Lock just needs time and coaching and he's in the perfect place for it , being #7 understudy.

 

[keasley45]

I actually think Russ is gonna have a big game against the Bears. So bug that afterwards they'll get a ton of hype for the week and there will finally be talk of Payton turning things in Denver.

But... I dont think it will materialize into anything long lived. The best Payton can do is have Russ run what he did when he was in Seattle, passing wise. Their only hope is that they can get their running game on track. But at this point, that team isn't gonna beat the Chiefs. So that's 5 losses. I also don't see them beating the Charges. That's 7. And there are quite a few highly probable losses on their schedule beyond those two teams.

Let's ride...

 

[Weadoption]

 

[sc85sis]

Tonight I watched the condensed version of the Broncos vs. Dolphins. Russ actually played a decent game overall. Was he spectacular? No. He wasn’t terrible either. He looks improved compared to last year.

The Broncos D is either really bad or Miami’s O is really good. Or maybe it’s a combo — I’m not sure. The Dolphins used a lot of misdirection during the game. Teams will need to be on the lookout for that. Tua is playing very well, and they have a good run game. I’m curious to see how they play moving forward.

 

[LastRideOut]

I actually think Russ is gonna have a big game against the Bears. So bug that afterwards they'll get a ton of hype for the week and there will finally be talk of Payton turning things in Denver.

But... I dont think it will materialize into anything long lived. The best Payton can do is have Russ run what he did when he was in Seattle, passing wise. Their only hope is that they can get their running game on track. But at this point, that team isn't gonna beat the Chiefs. So that's 5 losses. I also don't see them beating the Charges. That's 7. And there are quite a few highly probable losses on their schedule beyond those two teams.

Let's ride...

I actually think Denver might lose tomorrow. The Bears overall, while not a very good team, are actually a team. I don't get that from Denver right now. What I'm seeing are teammates that are dispirited.

I would not be too surprised to see the Bears come out on top tomorrow. The Vegas line is a bit of a surprise to me, considering the game is in Chicago AND of course, the 70 point surrender by the Donk D.

The two teams are very evenly matched on paper. Though, the Bears I think, have the more cohesive unit.

I think the Bears win by 3 tomorrow.

 

[LastRideOut]

The Broncos D is either really bad or Miami’s O is really good.

70-steamer tells me it is the defense that is bad. The Maimi O is good, but not so good to put up a easy 70 against an NFL defense. It's the Donk defense.

 

[Maulbert]

 

[keasley45]

I actually think Denver might lose tomorrow. The Bears overall, while not a very good team, are actually a team. I don't get that from Denver right now. What I'm seeing are teammates that are dispirited.

I would not be too surprised to see the Bears come out on top tomorrow. The Vegas line is a bit of a surprise to me, considering the game is in Chicago AND of course, the 70 point surrender by the Donk D.

The two teams are very evenly matched on paper. Though, the Bears I think, have the more cohesive unit.

I think the Bears win by 3 tomorrow.

That. Would be glorious. I will for sure be watching.