Wagner returns to Seattle (1 year/$7 million)

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Don't forget, Pete is above John on the hierarchy of the front office. They work in tandem on personnel decisions. It's not like a lot of teams where the Coach is under the GM. At least that was the deal when he came. I doubt that changed in any of the subsequent contracts.
Agreed, I just didn't want to make a post full of caveats. For example McVay will be trying to win every game with the Rams, but clearly a lot of their cash/cap resources are being taken out of 2023 for future use. The Seahawks aren't all-in for 2023. If they get there there's enough cash/cap held back to pay the key players for a sustained window of opportunity.
 

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Agreed, I just didn't want to make a post full of caveats. For example McVay will be trying to win every game with the Rams, but clearly a lot of their cash/cap resources are being taken out of 2023 for future use. The Seahawks aren't all-in for 2023. If they get there there's enough cash/cap held back to pay the key players for a sustained window of opportunity.

I do agree with the premise for the most part, the only concern here (for me anyway) is that Pete is getting up there in years and I'm sure he'd like to get one more title before he retires. Winning is probably more of a priority now than it ever has been. I could be wrong it's just how I am feeling about this particular off season
 

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I do agree with the premise for the most part, the only concern here (for me anyway) is that Pete is getting up there in years and I'm sure he'd like to get one more title before he retires. Winning is probably more of a priority now than it ever has been. I could be wrong it's just how I am feeling about this particular off season
Pete is too old for a proper rebuild. They are trying to do both at the same time, which is a mistake.
 

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Pete is too old for a proper rebuild. They are trying to do both at the same time, which is a mistake.

I agree it’s a retool not a rebuild but only time will tell if it will be successful.

If Geno can keep up his play we have a window to be offensively competitive right now and probably for a year more (maybe two). If we rebuild the defense properly we may lose the window for the offense.

I think we can compete with an improved defense so I guess we will just have to see if that is true or not.
 

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Marv Levy Coached into his 80's, would not be surprised if Pete goes close to that just due to his energy, and seemingly good health.
 

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It's not remotely fair and an 'agree with my opinion or you're a crappy fan' post doesn't leave many directions for a friendly discussion thread to move into.


It's myopic and homerism for sure.

But I get that attitude, on both a homer fan level, and need at MLB level. Seems like a perfect one year fit.

Again though, maybe I'll feel differently if the entire 7M is fully guaranteed.
 

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Role model players are such a rarity these days that I almost forgot they exist.
 

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No doubt. Winning sucks. Making the playoffs when everyone says you're going to be horrible. That was really horrible.


Everyone knows the only way to properly rebuild is to fire one of the longest tenured most successful coaches and GM's in NFL history, get an unproven young new flavor of the month college coach or assistant, then suck for 4-5 years hoping your unproven coach and GM make the right draft choices and actually know what they're doing.

That's really the only way to do this rebuild thing. Just look at the dozen or so organizations that have to do this formula to success every 2-3 years.
 

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Exactly. Winning is ONLY cool if Pete is fired. I mean, the guy clearly has nothing to do with the success of this team. And John sucks too.
 

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I think some people are more upset Seahawks pretty much skipped the rebuild phase after losing Wilson and then him capsizing the Broncos into a top 5 pick when we were the team destined to have the bad season. Rather than just giving credit where credit is due.

The way I feel about the team is they were surprised just as much as we were, despite anything they’ve might have said about the state of the team going in 2022 season and throughout. Surprised that this team took the bull by the horns, rose up to the challenges, didn’t let the outside noise define who they were, were able to be more competitive than what was expected and win more games than they lost and most importantly creating a new brotherhood and a new culture. And I think they fully have a grasp on their strengths and weaknesses more so than they did last year and have made moves in accordance to fixing those opportunities as they see a window of contention in a weakened NFC.

So despite what people might think, I think the vibe from the top downwards especially from the players perspective is that they are good enough right now to contend, to compete whatever. And re-signing Bobby is licking the stamp on the envelope and mailing it in to the rest of the league that they mean business. Bc I don’t think they re-sign Bobby, and I don’t think Bobby re-signs if both parties felt this team wasn’t ready to handle business and compete.

But the Seahawks aren’t as stupid as they seem as they gave themselves enough outs to really cut bait or trade their veteran core with way less damage on effective cap space in 2024. However, and importantly, they are seemingly giving themselves a better chance that the culture will be able to survive and sustain itself. And the opportunity to rebuild the foundation if they have another stellar draft haul like they did last year before they move on if it doesn’t work out.

But we will find out in a month bc the way I see it if they go QB at 5 or really in the 1st round they are preparing for the worst case scenario and have a game plan to make sure they can continue to move forward and not backwards in terms of sustainability.

I see a team that both thinks it can compete now but if not has a contingency plan in place to get out in front and not bury themselves in too big of hole they can’t climb out of like they’ve done in the past.

Pretty genius team building.
 
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I'd be in total agreement with your take Pan if it wasn't for the lame "compensatory picks" crap. Rewarding bad team management is way beyond dumb.

I don't agree with them letting Wagz go in the first place. They were in a bad negotiation position so they didn't even bother trying to make a deal. It makes it look even worse because he was injured. I understand that it is a business but Bobby isn't the type of player to just cast aside, he deserved to be considered as a member of the ring of honor. We sort of set things right with Kenny Easley by retiring his number but it doesn't take away the douchebaginess.
 

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I'd be in total agreement with your take Pan if it wasn't for the lame "compensatory picks" crap. Rewarding bad team management is way beyond dumb.

I don't agree with them letting Wagz go in the first place. They were in a bad negotiation position so they didn't even bother trying to make a deal. It makes it look even worse because he was injured. I understand that it is a business but Bobby isn't the type of player to just cast aside, he deserved to be considered as a member of the ring of honor. We sort of set things right with Kenny Easley by retiring his number but it doesn't take away the douchebaginess.
Its been widely reported that BWags was acting as his own agent and would not take calls from PCJS, most likely because he did not want to engage in a restructure/cut discussion.
 

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I do agree with the premise for the most part, the only concern here (for me anyway) is that Pete is getting up there in years and I'm sure he'd like to get one more title before he retires. Winning is probably more of a priority now than it ever has been. I could be wrong it's just how I am feeling about this particular off season

I'm convinced that how we age and how quickly we age is unique to each of us. Unique in our outlooks and life styles. Pete is a lot younger than this population's nominal calendar distribution. Pete lives in a youthful multitasking culture.

It's really all about the culture each of us chooses to live in.
 

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I'm convinced that how we age and how quickly we age is unique to each of us. Unique in our outlooks and life styles. Pete is a lot younger than this population's nominal calendar distribution. Pete lives in a youthful multitasking culture.

It's really all about the culture each of us chooses to live in.

I don't disagree, but the way this off season is going, and with the chances of the team being sold in the next few years or so, coupled with his age, I can see him shooting for one more super bowl and then retiring. I could be WAY off base, it's just purely my gut feeling. Of course we will need to win a super bowl this year or next to see if that is actually true or not
 

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I don't disagree, but the way this off season is going, and with the chances of the team being sold in the next few years or so, coupled with his age, I can see him shooting for one more super bowl and then retiring. I could be WAY off base, it's just purely my gut feeling. Of course we will need to win a super bowl this year or next to see if that is actually true or not
That works for me.
 

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I don't disagree, but the way this off season is going, and with the chances of the team being sold in the next few years or so, coupled with his age, I can see him shooting for one more super bowl and then retiring. I could be WAY off base, it's just purely my gut feeling. Of course we will need to win a super bowl this year or next to see if that is actually true or not

For me, a change in ownership is the concern. I don't believe it possible for an eventual successor to possess anywhere near the Allen Family commitment to community. When that happens, I will also make my exit.
 

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My friend I rarely disagree with you, and reply only that there are other fantastically wealthy folks who are good citizens with loyalty to their communities.

At any rate given the way the values of these franchises has inflated and is continuing to do so explosively I suspect the Allen family trust will be very slow in disposing of this franchise and will only sell to a person who passes muster in being of similar community minded indisposition. It is very possible the family will continue to hold onto the team as family legacy.

Meanwhile back to the thread which has strayed somewhat from the excitement of re-signing one of our own while otherwise scoring big in free agency. The same AP voices a repeating their tired refrains of Pete is old so he won’t rebuilt the team the right way rubbish and ignore the reality of last year, it’s draft, the team’s strong play, and the successful rebuilding of the team by our “old” head coach.

I await the draft and we will how well this FO does, both for now and for going forward.
 
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I'd be in total agreement with your take Pan if it wasn't for the lame "compensatory picks" crap. Rewarding bad team management is way beyond dumb.

I don't agree with them letting Wagz go in the first place. They were in a bad negotiation position so they didn't even bother trying to make a deal. It makes it look even worse because he was injured. I understand that it is a business but Bobby isn't the type of player to just cast aside, he deserved to be considered as a member of the ring of honor. We sort of set things right with Kenny Easley by retiring his number but it doesn't take away the douchebaginess.

So, you're just gonna go with the PC&JS are douchebags because "Bobby was blindsided & found out about his release thru the media" when Bobby walked back that story/narrative himself & admitted that isn't what happened?

Serious question.
 
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