JSN @ 40+ million per?

[Runscott]

Ask Steeler fans if they were happy for the 17 seasons that Tomlin 'kept them going'. That's the trajectory Pete had the team in.

Fans that are happy for good regular seasons don't compute with me (the "anything can happen in the post season" is BS and rarer than a live dinosaur). I need to see a plan or progress and I couldn't see that with Carroll. "Kept the going" is no way of going through life. I'd rather stink and have a chance at rebuilding than the samething over and over again.

You've created a straw man - you two talk it out and I'm going to enjoy some other thread in this forum.

 

[chris98251]

Agree to disagree. It is ok to have my opinion, just like you. You can't just run a team by sending the high paid guys packing. JSN is a MASSIVE part of this team, you don't just go finding guys that can do what he does. And he's all of 24 years old. Legit top 3 WR in the entire league. Team leader. This offense drops significantly w/out him. Spoon is gonna' want a huge contract too, better trade him

46% of the offense worth last season.

 

[flv2]

For historical Seahawks reference purposes:

Metcalf was drafted in 2019 and signed a 4-year $4.59M rookie contract. He played through the 1st 3 years of his rookie contract. His 4th year contract was increased by the NFL's proven player escalator from near league minimum to just under $4M. Metcalf 'held-in' where he was at camp but wouldn't participate until a new contract was agreed. The new contract replaced the remaining 1-year $4M deal with a 4-year $76M deal, ($19M average). The new deal guaranteed Metcalf $58.2M over the 1st 3 years, ($19.4M average), and the non-guaranteed 4th year was for $18M. The deal included a signing bonus of $30M. Thus Metcalf received close to $31M in the 1st year, $14M in the 2nd year, and $13M in the 3rd year.

The WR franchise tag in 2022 was $18.42M. Spotrac projects the WR franchise tag in 2026 to be $28.04M. Smith-Njigba is currently under contract for 2026 at $2.72M.

 

[Trackhawk]

So many good points on this thread, and this is where I go back to my mantra, Stick to the game plan.

Ultimately, only the Seahawks know exactly what the Seahawks are building, and thus what the priorities are.

If it’s a ball control, limit the explosive plays, rely on your defense to win the game team, then it probably isn’t worth paying top dollar for JSN and Darnold (as much as it pains me to admit). You need to save that cap space for what would be the most expensive defense in the league.

In most any other construct, JSN’s and Darnold’s value to the Seahawks is similar to their overall league value.

 

[glenwo2]

"limit the explosive plays"?

I think it's those explosive plays that helped us get into position to get to the SuperBowl.

 

[Trackhawk]

"limit the explosive plays"?

I think it's those explosive plays that helped us get into position to get to the SuperBowl.

And I didn’t say that that is what the Seahawks are doing or the type of team that they are building.

I said that’s the only type of team and game plan where I can see that it wouldn’t be worth paying top dollar to JSN.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's a top WR, he needs to be paid for it. IF this team starts to go on the cheap, good luck going back the SB.
That being said, JS has a history of taking care of his big-time players. Just like did with the LOB era. I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, JSN isn't easily replaceable. Guys like him are not common.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

But the rams don't have a cap so..........

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[CallMeADawg]

Sorry but JSN couldn't beat Gonzalez, and he's not the best corner in the league.


And people want to pay JSN like he's #1.......


Smh

He did beat him. Numerous times but the throw was off.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Holy crap Ycrew? Are you serious? He beat him several times. FFS sakes man, why make stuff up because YOU think he shouldn't be paid as a 1?

He beat him for 2 touchdowns but one was an overthrow and one was thrown too far from the inside. That was JSN BEATING GONZALEZ.
Sam would flat out TELL YOU he missed those throws. Had to rush a lot of them much of the game, but my god, what a horrific take.

 

[CallMeADawg]

He's a top WR, he needs to be paid for it. IF this team starts to go on the cheap, good luck going back the SB.
That being said, JS has a history of taking care of his big-time players. Just like did with the LOB era. I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, JSN isn't easily replaceable. Guys like him are not common.

Yeah if he repeats the year he had or exceeds it you really have no other choice.

Realize that if you don’t keep him, someone else gets to use him against you.

 

[Trackhawk]

Man, I don’t want to think about what he will cost if he has another year like last year.

 

[HawkFreak]

Maybe those that think JSN is an expendable non-priority would enjoy him ending up on the Rams with Puke.

 

[AlexG]

I just hope we don't see a bunch of people start turning on the guy. Pretty par for the course when a contract is coming up.

I said what I said.

Fans want owners to keep most of the money... weird thing.

 

[ivotuk]

Ask Steeler fans if they were happy for the 17 seasons that Tomlin 'kept them going'. That's the trajectory Pete had the team in.

Fans that are happy for good regular seasons don't compute with me (the "anything can happen in the post season" is BS and rarer than a live dinosaur). I need to see a plan or progress and I couldn't see that with Carroll. "Kept the going" is no way of going through life. I'd rather stink and have a chance at rebuilding than the samething over and over again.

This is an excellent point. Tomlin won a super bowl with the team Cower built, then was just good enough to get late round picks, and not have a losing record. Finally, their franchise rapist got too old to play, and they've been crap ever since.

Pete was the same way, the team was a toy to stroke his ego, and let him have fun. The BS wasted picks and players traded away for players that turned out to be mostly useless, and signing players that were washed up but fun to sign because they were once high round draft picks. I'm sure most of those crap picks and worthless trades/signings, were from Pete overriding John.

Thank God for Jody, because she recognized that Pete was riding on his past success, and just having fun with millions of dollars and exciting transactions. The story from Pete was that "non football people made the decision to let him go."

However, JS was on with McAfee and beat around the bush about Pete getting let go, but I read what he said, and his body language as "I also thought it was time for Pete to go." My intuition tells me that Jody took the heat to protect JS, which would allow him a smoother transition should there be people in the organization that were "Team Pete."

But now with his success of hiring MM, drafting extremely well (imho, proving my point that Pete was the problem with the drafts), and then winning a Superbowl, allows him to be a little more public about his role in "Pete moving on." Add to that, Pete failing in a big way in Las Vegas, and it's "Told you so!" from a person that would never say that, and always takes the high road. John constantly defers praise to the Seahawks staff, throwing their names out there on national TV. It's no wonder it's such a successful organization. When you get recognized, you work harder, and smarter.

The End.

P.S. Pay JSN and Spoon.

 

[Year of The Hawk]

46% of the offense worth last season.

IMHO that is actually a problem. If he gets hurt or shut down where are we? I am not saying he is not a top receiver and does not deserve top $ but should we be the ones to pay it??? I would rather have a total good receiving corp than 1 great and lots of meh. Spreading the ball around is harder to defend. Again if they can pay him and still keep the majority of the band together then go for it but not worth it if going to short out the rest of the team.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Again, are you going to feel like this every time a player comes up on a HUGE contract? Honest question.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Yes, honest answer. Big contracts to single players make it hard to build a team.

It's not big contracts that are problematic, it's the % of cap and inability to field other players at other positions of need.

If JSN went to the Rams and they had to pay Stafford, Puka, and JSN? Hahahahah! Good luck, Rams.

 

[Ad Hawk]

The point is, this conversation is not a no-brainer of either sign-him or don't-sign-him.

It's going to require some massaging of the contracts, planning for the future at many positions