Is Anthony Richardson worth pick 5?

[ElvisInBlue]

Do you think the niners would rather have Bosa or a Mahomes/Burrow/Allen?

Even that analogy is too generous. There is no Bosa in this draft, substitute Armstead or Kinlaw.

 

[seatownlowdown]

here's an objective summary of AR:



and note @9:25: "anthony richardson is not ready to start. but if there's a team, like the lions or seahawks, who have a plan in place, with a competent QB that can mentor him, and a competent surrounding roster, with a great system and coach, he can be a star."

 

[Chukarhawk]

Mel Kiper now has the Seahawks trading back to 9 and taking Richardson. The Panthers take Will Levis at 5.

which means they will do the opposite. Kiper has never been right about anything. I not taking a guy in the first round that has exactly one full season of college football under his belt and is this inconsistent. He's smells like a bust all the way from my house.

 

[Ozzy]

Zero chance he makes it to 9. I’ll be shocked if he’s there at 5.

 

[toffee]

Zero chance he makes it to 9. I’ll be shocked if he’s there at 5.

I agree! He is still a high risk high reward pick. The question we should ask would be how much it hurts the franchise if we waste a #5 pick.

Let's just say both Will Anderson and Richardson are available at #5, if Richardson turned out to be a bust, how much would it hurt by not drafting Anderson?

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

I agree! He is still a high risk high reward pick. The question we should ask would be how much it hurts the franchise if we waste a #5 pick.

Let's just say both Will Anderson and Richardson are available at #5, if Richardson turned out to be a bust, how much would it hurt by not drafting Anderson?

There are at least 5 teams that need a qb in the first 8 picks. Seahawks are picking at 5 the question in my mind is what position does that put the Seahawks in?

 

[ElvisInBlue]

here's an objective summary of AR:



and note @9:25: "anthony richardson is not ready to start. but if there's a team, like the lions or seahawks, who have a plan in place, with a competent QB that can mentor him, and a competent surrounding roster, with a great system and coach, he can be a star."

Agree on the redshirt, but I think the mentor angle of vet QBs is overrated.

It’s the job of the coaching staff to develop the young guy and hopefully the vet should be a good model of work ethic, etc but not be spending energy on the pup.

 

[Hawkinaz]

the odds are probably getting better by the day.

Is there an opposite bet that Richardson won’t be the top pick such as when Tiger Woods was winning everything the casinos gave you the choice Tiger or take the rest of the field

 

[nwHawk]

Let's just say both Will Anderson and Richardson are available at #5, if Richardson turned out to be a bust, how much would it hurt by not drafting Anderson?

I think this is an excellent question. If both Will Anderson and AR15 are there at #5, who do you take?

Anderson should not be there, and he’s the top talent in this draft. But given the direction of the scheme, the young talent (jury is still out on them), and the long term situation at QB, I’d take Richardson. But I would not rely on starting him year one.

 

[Double Tribble]

The converse is also true. What if we took Anderson instead of Richardson, and no matter how good Anderson turns out being, what if Richardson turns out to be MVP and wins superbowls? What is the opportunity cost in that scenario? To me, Richardson is like having a choice between drafting Sam Bowie or MJ. The Blazers took Bowie, and regret it to this day. Admittedly, Richardson could be a bust, but so could any qb. He could also be a superstar. Glad I'm not making the decision. It's a tough one to be sure.

 

[GemCity]

I think whoever has the opportunity to take AR and passes will regret it…a lot …later.

 

[Appyhawk]

This isn't the only draft that will have top QB talent. It SEEMS LIKE we have high rate QB play in hand. But we desperately need to improve our defense so whatever QB we have has a chance to show his goods are the real deal. I would like to see us work to position ourselves for a high pick in '24 and get out defense fixed this year. Otherwise whoever we pick at QB will be in the same situation as Fields was in Chicago.
I think the guy from Tennessee is every bit as good as Levis or Richardson and maybe better. But the best fit of all of them will be available in '24.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

This isn't the only draft that will have top QB talent. It SEEMS LIKE we have high rate QB play in hand. But we desperately need to improve our defense so whatever QB we have has a chance to show his goods are the real deal. I would like to see us work to position ourselves for a high pick in '24 and get out defense fixed this year. Otherwise whoever we pick at QB will be in the same situation as Fields was in Chicago.
I think the guy from Tennessee is every bit as good as Levis or Richardson and maybe better. But the best fit of all of them will be available in '24.

Right. Fields is the perfect example of what happens to your QB if your line is weak in the middle.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

Right. Fields is the perfect example of what happens to your QB if your line is weak in the middle.

Fields was never a good QB prospect. His mechanics as a passer have always been questionable.

 

[nwHawk]

You don’t have to look past last year’s draft to look for players who show a lot of physical talent, but haven’t done it on the field. Malik Willis comes to mind. People were talking that he can go in the top five last year and what happened? I’m not saying Richardson is Malik Willis, but there’s definitely some similarities in the situation.

Willis played the sidelines much like Russ and didn’t work the middle as much as Richardson.

 

[massari]

my thoughts:

john schneider would take will levis at #5 if he's available, i'm confident in saying that. but i don't think levis makes it to #5 in any scenario.

Maybe. But Jim Nagy (scout) says teams see Will Levis similar to Josh Allen minus the ability to make improvisational plays when things break down. Which is concerning considering that's a big part to what makes Allen so elite. Also the fact he'll be 24 in his rookie year......

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

If you guys had your choice at 5 between Jalan Carter, Tyree Wilson and AR15 who would you take?

 

[massari]

I do like Murphy and I’m willing to bet Richardson may fall around the range of our 2nd first round pick. I’m not convinced he’s a “stud” though.

I think whoever has the opportunity to take AR and passes will regret it…a lot …later.

Curious what has changed for you since then? Seems a lot of people are warming up to him now. Was it just the combine?

 

[GemCity]

Curious what has changed for you since then? Seems a lot of people are warming up to him now. Was it just the combine?

Prior to the last few weeks, I had only seen a few highlights from AR.

Then came the comments from JS about quarterbacks and the Seahawks never drafting that high during his tenure.

Assuming Young and Stroud would be off the board, I went back and watched a few Florida games in their entirety.

Then of course, AR crushed the combine. We interviewed him…etc.

Although not full developed (mechanics wise), He comes off as the QB with the highest ceiling and gives off vibes that JS and PC seem to like. We’ve drafted guys before that we’re seemingly selected too early or guys that had potential but could’ve easily been labeled as “projects”.

Defense is our #1 need of course. But, there are also a lot of Edges and DTs that are damn near equal performance wise.

I could see JS and PC addressing those needs further down into the draft.

If they draft like they did last year, we’ll be in a good place regardless. And…I’m not going to be shocked or disappointed if they don’t draft AR.

PC and JS have regained my trust draft wise from our last crop of rookies.

But….I do see them liking a 6’4”, 230+ lb QB that runs a 4.4 and has a 40+ inch vertical…let alone a cannon of an arm. I can see them looking at his accuracy issues as something their staff can remedy. Like taking a former WR at CB. Like taking an UDFA at WR and making him a star.

If Anderson, Carter are there and we snatch one, great. But…I won’t be shocked if they decide to grab a QB to develop him along with the rest of the youngsters we currently have and will find in this draft.

And since QB was mentioned by both, I’m thinking PC and JS think AR has the most potential…not year 1….but soon thereafter.

 

[James in PA]

If you guys had your choice at 5 between Jalan Carter, Tyree Wilson and AR15 who would you take?

Easy one. With Carter's character concerns, I'm going with AR15. Anderson is the only edge in this draft worth a top 5 pick. It pisses me off that so many mocks have us staying put and taking Wilson. Give me a break.