NFL Games are rigged. A Poll.

[JustTheTip]

The best way to do that is to have as much integrity to the game as you can. If it ever got out that Refs are given orders to keep the games close they'd lose money. I know I'd stop watching, wouldn't you?

Yes, most big organizations have adopted the concept that the best way to make money is to have as much integrity as possible.

 

[StoneCold]

Yes, most big organizations have adopted the concept that the best way to make money is to have as much integrity as possible.

you forgot /sarcasm. some people might get confused.

 

[JustTheTip]

you forgot /sarcasm. some people might get confused.

Thought that one would be pretty obvious.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I don't think the league is out to get us. I think the league is out to extract as much money from fans as at all possible.

None of this explains the reasoning behind steering games. The league already has all the parity mechanisms in place to level the playing field with a hard cap and the way they draft. No reason to have some nefarious agreement with the referees to steer games so they stay close. That's utterly ridiculous. You think Vegas might have a problem with that if it's true? Billions and billions of dollars are on the line.

I think fans emotionally misinterpret the human error and element of having 60 year old refs running around the field having to make split decision calls, most of which are subjective in nature.

Fans fixate on their team, and have amnesia when it comes to calls they got. The End.

 

[JustTheTip]

The best way to do that is to have as much integrity to the game as you can. If it ever got out that Refs are given orders to keep the games close they'd lose money. I know I'd stop watching, wouldn't you?

To answer the question, I would not stop watching. Over the last decade and a half (since XL) I have already adjusted my NFL viewing to accommodate acceptance of what I think is likely going on. Prior to XL I refused to accept it as a possibility despite the patterns that were already present. Prior to XL I couldn't get enough NFL football. All day Sunday and Monday night, that is what I was doing. Now I watch the Seahawks and then any other games that interest me. Many weeks that means just watching the Seahawks.

Whether it is just incompetence or steering the entertainment value of the product is the same. Also, I didn't say it wasn't rational to think it isn't intentional steering I said it wasn't rational to see what happens week in and week out and then to a larger extent in critical games (XL, Saints/Rams, etc) and think it isn't a possibility.

 

[AROS]

I won't buy into the conspiracy that the game is rigged but SBXL* is a classic example of the league wanting a certain outcome before the game was even played. That game was "steered" to deliver only one outcome plain and simple.

 

[JustTheTip]

None of this explains the reasoning behind steering games. The league already has all the parity mechanisms in place to level the playing field with a hard cap and the way they draft. No reason to have some nefarious agreement with the referees to steer games so they stay close. That's utterly ridiculous. You think Vegas might have a problem with that if it's true? Billions and billions of dollars are on the line.

I think fans emotionally misinterpret the human error and element of having 60 year old refs running around the field having to make split decision calls, most of which are subjective in nature.

Fans fixate on their team, and have amnesia when it comes to calls they got. The End.

Not calling the penalty on a player lined up offsides for better than 5 seconds, and then calling a holding penalty that doesn't occur against an OL when the player he is accused of holding clearly leaves early all on the same play isn't incompetence, that is intentional.

Calling a player for an illegal low block for crossing in front of a blocker while diving to try to make a tackle isn't incompetence, that is intentional.

Not calling ineligible receiver downfield when two OL are better than 5 yards downfield (one of them around 10 yards downfield) is not incompetence, that is intentional.

When those things all happen in 5 consecutive plays and you still think it is insane to consider something intentional may going on you are choosing to be naive.

 

[JustTheTip]

I won't buy into the conspiracy that the game is rigged but SBXL* is a classic example of the league wanting a certain outcome before the game was even played. That game was "steered" to deliver only one outcome plain and simple.

Rigged or scripted? No. Steered? I think it is more likely than not.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Not calling the penalty on a player lined up offsides for better than 5 seconds, and then calling a holding penalty that doesn't occur against an OL when the player he is accused of holding clearly leaves early all on the same play isn't incompetence, that is intentional.

Calling a player for an illegal low block for crossing in front of a blocker while diving to try to make a tackle isn't incompetence, that is intentional.

Not calling ineligible receiver downfield when two OL are better than 5 yards downfield (one of them around 10 yards downfield) is not incompetence, that is intentional.

When those things all happen in 5 consecutive plays and you still think it is insane to consider something intentional may going on you are choosing to be naive.

I have no idea what game or games you're referring to, but you go on with your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.

This topic seems to come up every year, again only after we lose games. Never after we win. So weird!

So since you're all in on the nefarious ref steering, I'll ask you what I always ask the tinfoils...........if you believe games are rigged or steered, why do you watch at all?

I mean, if the refs and league are out to get us (other than going to two SB years of course), then why watch? We're just going to have the games rightfully won taken from us right?

Seems even crazier to spend all this time and burn all these calories watching a sport you think is rigged.

 

[StoneCold]

I have no idea what game or games you're referring to, but you go on with your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.

This topic seems to come up every year, again only after we lose games. Never after we win. So weird!

So since you're all in on the nefarious ref steering, I'll ask you what I always ask the tinfoils...........if you believe games are rigged or steered, why do you watch at all?

I mean, if the refs and league are out to get us (other than going to two SB years of course), then why watch? We're just going to have the games rightfully won taken from us right?

Seems even crazier to spend all this time and burn all these calories watching a sport you think is rigged.

Absolutely agree with this. If I want a scripted story I'll watch a movie. If for a moment I believed they were "steering" games, I'd be done. With sports, the only reason to watch is because the outcome isn't known.

 

[JustTheTip]

Absolutely agree with this. If I want a scripted story I'll watch a movie. If for a moment I believed they were "steering" games, I'd be done. With sports, the only reason to watch is because the putcome isn't known.

Which is probably why you refuse to consider the possibility.

 

[JustTheTip]

I have no idea what game or games you're referring to, but you go on with your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.

This topic seems to come up every year, again only after we lose games. Never after we win. So weird!

So since you're all in on the nefarious ref steering, I'll ask you what I always ask the tinfoils...........if you believe games are rigged or steered, why do you watch at all?

I mean, if the refs and league are out to get us (other than going to two SB years of course), then why watch? We're just going to have the games rightfully won taken from us right?

Seems even crazier to spend all this time and burn all these calories watching a sport you think is rigged.

That would be Super Bowl XL.

I have already clearly stated that I don't think anybody is out to get us, so why do you keep going to that well? I think the Seahawks have benefitted at times from the steering.

I just answered your "why do you continue to watch" question clearly a few posts ago. Not going to be the aha moment you are expecting.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Which is probably why you refuse to consider the possibility.

Were the refs steering the game for us in Arizona when Tyler pushed off in the endzone?

How bout the Fail Mary? Seems the league would protect Green Bay in that case, their most storied franchise.

So much randomness to how Goodell and the refs steer games huh? But maybe that's all part of their evil plan to throw us off the scent. Luckily we have you on the case JTT to drag their nefarious shenanigans out into the light.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I just answered your "why do you continue to watch" question clearly a few posts ago. Not going to be the aha moment you are expecting.

What was your answer? I don't see it.

So you're response after all this is "hey the league steers games for everyone equally."

HAHAHA, that's amazing. Yeah man, they steer games, but for everyone equally so I love me some NFL football still!

 

[JustTheTip]

Were the refs steering the game for us in Arizona when Tyler pushed off in the endzone?

How bout the Fail Mary? Seems the league would protect Green Bay in that case, their most storied franchise.

So much randomness to how Goodell and the refs steer games huh? But maybe that's all part of their evil plan to throw us off the scent. Luckily we have you on the case JTT to drag their nefarious shenanigans out into the light.

Maybe, maybe it was just a missed call.

The "Fail Mary" was the right call.

Just keep attacking me though instead of having an adult conversation. That is certainly the preferred strategy of reasonable people.

 

[JustTheTip]

What was your answer? I don't see it.

Just another thing you can't see because you don't want to.

NFL Games are rigged. A Poll.

The best way to do that is to have as much integrity to the game as you can. If it ever got out that Refs are given orders to keep the games close they'd lose money. I know I'd stop watching, wouldn't you? Yes, most big organizations have adopted the concept that the best way to make money is...

www.seahawks.net

So you're response after all this is "hey the league steers games for everyone equally."

HAHAHA, that's amazing. Yeah man, they steer games, but for everyone equally so I love me some NFL football still!

No, I don't think the league cares about equality. And I never said they steer games equally for everyone. That is you severely twisting what I did say so you can continue to attack my posts and avoid an actual conversation.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Maybe, maybe it was just a missed call.

The "Fail Mary" was the right call.

Just keep attacking me though instead of having an adult conversation. That is certainly the preferred strategy of reasonable people.

I'm not attacking you, other than for being your normal argumentative whatabout self. As per usual.

You're not making sense, and I'm trying to get clarification as to what you think is actually going on. So please enlighten me.

All I'm clear on so far in this mind numbing conversation is "the league steers games to keep them close, but not all the time, and not equally, except sometimes something something..........."

Accurate?

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

A long as the human element persists, mistakes will be made. I'm not convinced the league is scripted. The NFL may be a grandiose tv show. But an unscripted one at that with an outrageous budget.

I mimic what others have stated: If the NFL was indeed scripted, I would stop watching sports all together. The amount of money at stake is so enormous, I'm not convinced the ends would justify the means if they were ever found out. They would need to have so many fail safes and damage control on standby to deal with such a huge PR disaster if they were discovered. I don't think they would take that risk.

The NFL is quite the spectacle. The presentation, the people in attendance cheering their teams, the over-the-top stadiums, the history, and of course, the athletes. I'm not sure where television would be without professional sports; Dying a slow death, I suppose. I probably wouldn't even have TV if sports weren't televised. It makes me wonder if the league would be much different if the games weren't televised. I'm guessing the product would be slightly altered due to less exposure and a lot less people wanting to become football players. But I digress.

 

[JustTheTip]

I'm not attacking you, other than for being your normal argumentative whatabout self. As per usual.

You're not making sense, and I'm trying to get clarification as to what you think is actually going on. So please enlighten me.

All I'm clear on so far in this mind numbing conversation is "the league steers games to keep them close, but not all the time, and not equally, except sometimes something something..........."

Accurate?

Lol. Way to bring whatabout to the conversation. The thread posed a question, everything I have provided in this thread is directly relevant to the subject. That you don't agree with me does not mean I am not being clear. What exactly is it that I said that you think is whataboutism? From my perspective, your using that word is just an easy-to-use mechanism for avoiding the possibility of consideration of things you don't want to deal with.

I say "I think the Seahawks have benefitted at times from the steering."

You make that "hey the league steers games for everyone equally."

That is not a logical leap, that is twisting what is said to avoid a real conversation.

 

[JustTheTip]

A long as the human element persists, mistakes will be made. I'm not convinced the league is scripted. The NFL may be a grandiose tv show. But an unscripted one at that with an outrageous budget.

I mimic what others have stated: If the NFL was indeed scripted, I would stop watching sports all together. The amount of money at stake is so enormous, I'm not convinced the ends would justify the means if they were ever found out. They would need to have so many fail safes and damage control on standby to deal with such a huge PR disaster if they were discovered. I don't think they would take that risk.

The NFL is quite the spectacle. The presentation, the people in attendance cheering their teams, the over-the-top stadiums, the history, and of course, the athletes. I'm not sure where television would be without professional sports; Dying a slow death, I suppose. I probably wouldn't even have TV if sports weren't televised. It makes me wonder if the league would be much different if the games weren't televised. I'm guessing the product would be slightly altered due to less exposure and a lot less people wanting to become football players. But I digress.

I don't think it is scripted at all if scripted means the games and how they go are predetermined. I think it is likely that the NFL uses the officials to make a desired outcome more likely.