WTF Happened to Russell Wilson Spectacularrrr?!!!

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First, watch the breakdowns and see for yourself.

Some say these are the same problems in Seattle, not exactly. Wilson loves the deep over and has thrown that route to Lockett in his sleep the previous 6 seasons. It's a bread and butter play for him. This is a new problem. Jeudy was repeatedly open and it wasn't thrown, or thrown to the wrong spot when thrown. Wilson's errors are not physical, but mental. He still has the arm, he's moving and sliding with a great feel from within the pocket. Like a 2nd Baseman who can't throw to 1st base if you will. He's a headcase right now.

He currently has no trust or rapport with his receivers, too many plays he predetermines he's going to Sutton and just stares him down losing all field vision. (It's not a height thing, field camera views show he has clear sight lines.) This happened on the final play of the game as well, and oddly Hackett revealed in his presser that they were going to Sutton all the way, even though the rub on the right created an immediately open Hamler. The image is floating around the internet, Wilson isn't even looking at him. He's staring down Sutton to his left and tried to squeeze it in there.

Denver is currently tied for 2nd with the most dropped passes in the NFL, which isn't doing him any favors in terms of building that trust. A beautiful seam ball to the TE in the endzone which would've won the game in regulation, dropped. On the first drive he fit the ball into Jeudy at the back of the endzone, wrong read, but he fit it in there none the less, dropped. On another over concept, Wilson read it correctly and threw the post to the other side which was INT'd, a poor route by the WR who should've got inside leverage and shielded the defender as pointed out by Warner.

Despite being as bad as it looks right now. I like what Hackett is building on offense, and his playcalling makes sense most of the time. They are getting better every week even though the early results currently appear they are getting worse. However, a season ending injury to LT Garett Bolles, the 2nd most important player on offense is going to muck things up for sure especially when tethered to losing Javonte Williams the week before. Absolutely brutal for the Donks as they've been playing with backups on the right side of their O-Line already. RG Quinn Meinerz can't come back soon enough.

But I hope Hackett gets the chance to build it. He may not, with new ownership on board that didn't make this hire, he could very well get fired so they can bring in their guy. Once he hired Jerry Rosburg, the game and clock management issues cleared right up. That is a great sign of recognizing problems and fixing them, which is a HCs #1 job. Wilson staying bad or becoming good again regardless, depends on if he and the entire offense can get on the same page, his problems mainly stem from too much newness all around. He misses Lockett & Metcalf dearly right now. Not from the fact that they're better than Denver's top 2 WRs, but the rapport and connection he had with them. He's having to build that all over again, which takes time. And right now, he only trusts Sutton, and you can't stare down Sutton so often and expect to be successful.

And if you don't think Wilson wouldn't have looked good going against porous ATL & DET throwing to Lockett & Metcalf these last 2 weeks, I got some magic beans to sell you. Wilson played DET at the end of last year in week 17 in fact. Wilson put up 51 points, finally healed from his finger injury and was supposedly washed by then too. Washed up QBs don't drop 50 burgers last I checked. Took knees at the end of the game from the DET 1 yard line as well, could've been 58.

The good news for Seahawks fans though is the injuries the Broncos have suffered pretty much guarantees the Hawks will get higher draft choices in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

The bad news for Seahawks fans is Pete can't build a defense to save his life, so it is moot. His wretched drafting of defensive players in the first 3 rounds means there's a high chance these picks will go to waste. This is what the Pete Sycophants don't get. Just because Wilson is bad right now doesn't mean that makes Pete good. If only it were that simple. In their desperate thirst for vindication they've lost sight of the fact that Pete's defense is still a dumpster fire, and it only gets worse as the years go by with no signs of it ever improving.

I gave up on the concept of it getting better on defense by default years ago. Y'see, Pete continues to find new ways to make the defense worse every season. It's impressive to a certain extent because by shear probability you'd think they'd regress to mean at some point. Nope. They only get worse.

I could see Pete hitching his wagon to Geno, signing him to a big contract, so he can then justify throwing all of these picks at his defense, not drafting a franchise QB in the 1st round, only for said picks to still lead to disaster on that side of the ball in another failed attempt. What is imperative is this cannot happen, but unfortunately it is a realistic possibility as of now.

A recap of the current situation: https://www.seahawks.net/threads/a-deconstruction-and-chronicle-of-petes-defense.182055/
 

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Didn’t Russell play that terrible Seahawks defense? How did he do? He has good receivers in Denver.
You are wrong sir/ma'am, not just good receivers, position players in Denver are the best Russ has ever played with. I didn't make that up, Russ said it. Marshawn, DK, Angry, Lockett, can't compare to what he has now.
 

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First, watch the breakdowns and see for yourself.

Some say these are the same problems in Seattle, not exactly. Wilson loves the deep over and has thrown that route to Lockett in his sleep the previous 6 seasons. It's a bread and butter play for him. This is a new problem. Jeudy was repeatedly open and it wasn't thrown, or thrown to the wrong spot when thrown. Wilson's errors are not physical, but mental. He still has the arm, he's moving and sliding with a great feel from within the pocket. Like a 2nd Baseman who can't throw to 1st base if you will. He's a headcase right now.

He currently has no trust or rapport with his receivers, too many plays he predetermines he's going to Sutton and just stares him down losing all field vision. (It's not a height thing, field camera views show he has clear sight lines.) This happened on the final play of the game as well, and oddly Hackett revealed in his presser that they were going to Sutton all the way, even though the rub on the right created an immediately open Hamler. The image is floating around the internet, Wilson isn't even looking at him. He's staring down Sutton to his left and tried to squeeze it in there.

Denver is currently tied for 2nd with the most dropped passes in the NFL, which isn't doing him any favors in terms of building that trust. A beautiful seam ball to the TE in the endzone which would've won the game in regulation, dropped. On the first drive he fit the ball into Jeudy at the back of the endzone, wrong read, but he fit it in there none the less, dropped. On another over concept, Wilson read it correctly and threw the post to the other side which was INT'd, a poor route by the WR who should've got inside leverage and shielded the defender as pointed out by Warner.

Despite being as bad as it looks right now. I like what Hackett is building on offense, and his playcalling makes sense most of the time. They are getting better every week even though the early results currently appear they are getting worse. However, a season ending injury to LT Garett Bolles, the 2nd most important player on offense is going to muck things up for sure especially when tethered to losing Javonte Williams the week before. Absolutely brutal for the Donks as they've been playing with backups on the right side of their O-Line already. RG Quinn Meinerz can't come back soon enough.

But I hope Hackett gets the chance to build it. He may not, with new ownership on board that didn't make this hire, he could very well get fired so they can bring in their guy. Once he hired Jerry Rosburg, the game and clock management issues cleared right up. That is a great sign of recognizing problems and fixing them, which is a HCs #1 job. Wilson staying bad or becoming good again regardless, depends on if he and the entire offense can get on the same page, his problems mainly stem from too much newness all around. He misses Lockett & Metcalf dearly right now. Not from the fact that they're better than Denver's top 2 WRs, but the rapport and connection he had with them. He's having to build that all over again, which takes time. And right now, he only trusts Sutton, and you can't stare down Sutton so often and expect to be successful.

And if you don't think Wilson wouldn't have looked good going against porous ATL & DET throwing to Lockett & Metcalf these last 2 weeks, I got some magic beans to sell you. Wilson played DET at the end of last year in week 17 in fact. Wilson put up 51 points, finally healed from his finger injury and was supposedly washed by then too. Washed up QBs don't drop 50 burgers last I checked. Took knees at the end of the game from the DET 1 yard line as well, could've been 58.

The good news for Seahawks fans though is the injuries the Broncos have suffered pretty much guarantees the Hawks will get higher draft choices in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

The bad news for Seahawks fans is Pete can't build a defense to save his life, so it is moot. His wretched drafting of defensive players in the first 3 rounds means there's a high chance these picks will go to waste. This is what the Pete Sycophants don't get. Just because Wilson is bad right now doesn't mean that makes Pete good. If only it were that simple. In their desperate thirst for vindication they've lost sight of the fact that Pete's defense is still a dumpster fire, and it only gets worse as the years go by with no signs of it ever improving.

I gave up on the concept of it getting better on defense by default years ago. Y'see, Pete continues to find new ways to make the defense worse every season. It's impressive to a certain extent because by shear probability you'd think they'd regress to mean at some point. Nope. They only get worse.

I could see Pete hitching his wagon to Geno, signing him to a big contract, so he can then justify throwing all of these picks at his defense, not drafting a franchise QB in the 1st round, only for said picks to still lead to disaster on that side of the ball in another failed attempt. What is imperative is this cannot happen, but unfortunately it is a realistic possibility as of now.

A recap of the current situation: https://www.seahawks.net/threads/a-deconstruction-and-chronicle-of-petes-defense.182055/

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Apparently Russ is dealing with a torn lat injury.


Not sure why Hackett is letting him play if he's not 100%.
 

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I remember during the preseason, Russ said that Sutton was his goto receiver in clutch situations. I was curious to see how it would play out. Looks like Sutton is more than his goto receiver. It appears to be his only receiver lol.
 

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@Fade
You used 6 paragraphs on defending Team3/out.
At what point is it clear to you that he is old and washed?
I understand it's hard watching your special favorite aging
away and you want to find the unicorn reason(s) to deny
it away.
Some age faster than others and Russ happens to be on the
early side.
 

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I unblocked this guy, it was obviously a big mistake!
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Why would you block someone for having a different opinion? he's respectful when he presents it?

I get why people are saying he's washed and got old fast. He hasn't played all that well and after his exit here I don't blame fans for it. But I would argue its still early and guys like Rodgers, Brady had worse starts to seasons and people were calling them washed out too and I think they turned out fine. My guess is Russ figures it out and they get better. I've watched 3 of his games and honestly I don't think he has been as bad as people are making it out to be. He had multiple dropped touchdowns in the game against Seattle that wins the game. He hit Juedy on a spectacular throw in the chest that wins a game here recently too.

It's a win/win. If he turns it around good for him as I still root for him and like what he did here. And if he doesn't well then we get a high draft pick and I'm even more good with that.
 

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Wilson's deep ball is shaky because every other aspect of his game that he neglected to develop is now being forced to the fore - and is failing.

He asked to be a pocket passer, rhythm passer and requested he be put in an offense that requires the same degree of 'technical difficulty ' to execute as A Rod.

He got what he wanted. But he no longer is being afforded the leeway to run off script and find his own rhythm. He's being forced to stay withing the rhythm of the offense.

Russ was comfortable with the deep shot because he knew when they'd come because the entire offense here was wrapped around his very specific skillset. It was catered to TRY to get him on schedule, but lived with him improvising the majority of the time and running the handful of plays from the sideline that he preferred. The offense in Seattle was 10000% his.

In Denver, he's being asked to do what any qb outside of Seattle, Baltimore and Arizona are required to, and he can't. And that inability is futzing up even the things he was successful doing when he was here.
 

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First, watch the breakdowns and see for yourself.

Some say these are the same problems in Seattle, not exactly. Wilson loves the deep over and has thrown that route to Lockett in his sleep the previous 6 seasons. It's a bread and butter play for him. This is a new problem. Jeudy was repeatedly open and it wasn't thrown, or thrown to the wrong spot when thrown. Wilson's errors are not physical, but mental. He still has the arm, he's moving and sliding with a great feel from within the pocket. Like a 2nd Baseman who can't throw to 1st base if you will. He's a headcase right now.

He currently has no trust or rapport with his receivers, too many plays he predetermines he's going to Sutton and just stares him down losing all field vision. (It's not a height thing, field camera views show he has clear sight lines.) This happened on the final play of the game as well, and oddly Hackett revealed in his presser that they were going to Sutton all the way, even though the rub on the right created an immediately open Hamler. The image is floating around the internet, Wilson isn't even looking at him. He's staring down Sutton to his left and tried to squeeze it in there.

Denver is currently tied for 2nd with the most dropped passes in the NFL, which isn't doing him any favors in terms of building that trust. A beautiful seam ball to the TE in the endzone which would've won the game in regulation, dropped. On the first drive he fit the ball into Jeudy at the back of the endzone, wrong read, but he fit it in there none the less, dropped. On another over concept, Wilson read it correctly and threw the post to the other side which was INT'd, a poor route by the WR who should've got inside leverage and shielded the defender as pointed out by Warner.

Despite being as bad as it looks right now. I like what Hackett is building on offense, and his playcalling makes sense most of the time. They are getting better every week even though the early results currently appear they are getting worse. However, a season ending injury to LT Garett Bolles, the 2nd most important player on offense is going to muck things up for sure especially when tethered to losing Javonte Williams the week before. Absolutely brutal for the Donks as they've been playing with backups on the right side of their O-Line already. RG Quinn Meinerz can't come back soon enough.

But I hope Hackett gets the chance to build it. He may not, with new ownership on board that didn't make this hire, he could very well get fired so they can bring in their guy. Once he hired Jerry Rosburg, the game and clock management issues cleared right up. That is a great sign of recognizing problems and fixing them, which is a HCs #1 job. Wilson staying bad or becoming good again regardless, depends on if he and the entire offense can get on the same page, his problems mainly stem from too much newness all around. He misses Lockett & Metcalf dearly right now. Not from the fact that they're better than Denver's top 2 WRs, but the rapport and connection he had with them. He's having to build that all over again, which takes time. And right now, he only trusts Sutton, and you can't stare down Sutton so often and expect to be successful.

And if you don't think Wilson wouldn't have looked good going against porous ATL & DET throwing to Lockett & Metcalf these last 2 weeks, I got some magic beans to sell you. Wilson played DET at the end of last year in week 17 in fact. Wilson put up 51 points, finally healed from his finger injury and was supposedly washed by then too. Washed up QBs don't drop 50 burgers last I checked. Took knees at the end of the game from the DET 1 yard line as well, could've been 58.

The good news for Seahawks fans though is the injuries the Broncos have suffered pretty much guarantees the Hawks will get higher draft choices in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

The bad news for Seahawks fans is Pete can't build a defense to save his life, so it is moot. His wretched drafting of defensive players in the first 3 rounds means there's a high chance these picks will go to waste. This is what the Pete Sycophants don't get. Just because Wilson is bad right now doesn't mean that makes Pete good. If only it were that simple. In their desperate thirst for vindication they've lost sight of the fact that Pete's defense is still a dumpster fire, and it only gets worse as the years go by with no signs of it ever improving.

I gave up on the concept of it getting better on defense by default years ago. Y'see, Pete continues to find new ways to make the defense worse every season. It's impressive to a certain extent because by shear probability you'd think they'd regress to mean at some point. Nope. They only get worse.

I could see Pete hitching his wagon to Geno, signing him to a big contract, so he can then justify throwing all of these picks at his defense, not drafting a franchise QB in the 1st round, only for said picks to still lead to disaster on that side of the ball in another failed attempt. What is imperative is this cannot happen, but unfortunately it is a realistic possibility as of now.

A recap of the current situation: https://www.seahawks.net/threads/a-deconstruction-and-chronicle-of-petes-defense.182055/

That was exhausting and highly opinionated. When you look at the numbers especially QBR in which he’s 30th in the league amongst starters, only Baker Mayfield and Jamis Winston have worse numbers, and then you look at his accuracy and you do the logical thing and admit regression and no possibility of winning a chip ever again in his life. He doesn’t have the zip on his throws anymore. That happens with nerve damage on the finger. He’ll always be fundamentally sound and look competent but people that have seen every throw have noticed the downslide years ago man. Bronco fans shocked about how this turned out probably saw his highlights on ESPN and thought they scored a champ lol
 
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Wilson's deep ball is shaky because every other aspect of his game that he neglected to develop is now being forced to the fore - and is failing.

He asked to be a pocket passer, rhythm passer and requested he be put in an offense that requires the same degree of 'technical difficulty ' to execute as A Rod.

He got what he wanted. But he no longer is being afforded the leeway to run off script and find his own rhythm. He's being forced to stay withing the rhythm of the offense.

Russ was comfortable with the deep shot because he knew when they'd come because the entire offense here was wrapped around his very specific skillset. It was catered to TRY to get him on schedule, but lived with him improvising the majority of the time and running the handful of plays from the sideline that he preferred. The offense in Seattle was 10000% his.

In Denver, he's being asked to do what any qb outside of Seattle, Baltimore and Arizona are required to, and he can't. And that inability is futzing up even the things he was successful doing when he was here.
It goes much deeper than that. He can no longer hit a deep over route. That used to be a layup for him.
 
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