QB Sean Mannion expected to be signed to Practice Squad

[toffee]

I wish. The only start he had as a Rams player was a meaningless Week 17 game against the 49ers in 2017 when McVay pulled all the starters. I don't hold that performance against him, but I never saw quality play from him during his 4 years with the team, even in preseason. The Seahawks saw enough to cut him loose last year. Re-signing him now is a mistake.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannSe00.htm

I agree.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

This makes me further doubt PCs confidence in Lock.

 

[jammerhawk]

The team signed him last year to the PS and he was grabbed up quickly by Minnie as the season started pto be their back up. I suspect he’s a better option than most any other out there.

 

[toffee]

This makes me further doubt PCs confidence in Lock.

I was all in for Lock when he came with Russ trade, I created threads cheering on Lock, mostly based on what I read about him and his prowess under play-action. Of late, I dug a bit more on Lock, read up on his combine record, draft profile, watched more films, etc. I am puzzled in three area:

1. footwork,
2. questionable decision making, and
3. lacking poise under pressure.

The combination of all three led to some inaccurate and questionable throws. Of these 3, footwork is something coaches can help, but at this age, can his footwork still be coached?

 

[bluengreen]

So we have our 3rd QB#1

First I laughed then I cried.

 

[Welshers]

How so? Love to get your opinions.

Ok that was a bit of an overreaction on my part but I dont think we will be scoring any points with Geno Smith as quarterback! Might as well put Tim Tebow out there at this point, it'd be more entertaining!

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I was all in for Lock when he came with Russ trade, I created threads cheering on Lock, mostly based on what I read about him and his prowess under play-action. Of late, I dug a bit more on Lock, read up on his combine record, draft profile, watched more films, etc. I am puzzled in three area:

1. footwork,
2. questionable decision making, and
3. lacking poise under pressure.

The combination of all three led to some inaccurate and questionable throws. Of these 3, footwork is something coaches can help, but at this age, can his footwork still be coached?

With Lock going into his fourth season, I’d guess whatever tendencies are increasingly uncoachable.

 

[toffee]

Ok that was a bit of an overreaction on my part but I dont think we will be scoring any points with Geno Smith as quarterback! Might as well put Tim Tebow out there at this point, it'd be more entertaining!

I may not agree the scoring part, but totally agree on the Tebow bit. In a gap year, with no QB with potential to develop, Tebow or Vince Young lol, may just be the ticket.

 

[toffee]

With Lock going into his fourth season, I’d guess whatever tendencies are increasingly uncoachable.

I think you are right, it's in the muscle memory by now. I remember Bill Walsh said what caught his eyes about Montana was his footwork, poise under pressure, and accuracy. In the end, Montana delivered on all three, but he was never known for his arm strength. Interestingly, Joe's 40 yards was 4.7 sec, 0.1 seconds faster than Jerry Rice.

 

[Appyhawk]

We knew bad decision making was Lock's weakness and it showed up vs Dallas. But he is in his first year after his bad years at Denver. Geno has learned whatever he knows about improvement in what...8 years after his bad years at Jets?
Give Lock a little time to get reoriented at foundation level. Of course he only has a little over a year to get it done, but he knows what the problem is, he just doesn't know how to fix it, get it formulated and embedded so it happens automatically. That takes time a lots of reps. I hope he can get it done because I really don't see Geno surviving for an entire season.
As for Mannion, is he really an improvement over Eason? At least Eason knows our system.

 

[toffee]

We knew bad decision making was Lock's weakness and it showed up vs Dallas. But he is in his first year after his bad years at Denver. Geno has learned whatever he knows about improvement in what...8 years after his bad years at Jets?
Give Lock a little time to get reoriented at foundation level. Of course he only has a little over a year to get it done, but he knows what the problem is, he just doesn't know how to fix it, get it formulated and embedded so it happens automatically. That takes time a lots of reps. I hope he can get it done because I really don't see Geno surviving for an entire season.
As for Mannion, is he really an improvement over Eason? At least Eason knows our system.

To me, Waldron is the BIGGEST question mark, still not sure if he is any good. Can he develop retreat QBs? I don't know.

 

[nanomoz]

I have a friend that is a diehard Vikings fan. He said Mannion is supposed to be an incredible locker and film room guy.

 

[toffee]

We knew bad decision making was Lock's weakness and it showed up vs Dallas. But he is in his first year after his bad years at Denver. Geno has learned whatever he knows about improvement in what...8 years after his bad years at Jets?
Give Lock a little time to get reoriented at foundation level. Of course he only has a little over a year to get it done, but he knows what the problem is, he just doesn't know how to fix it, get it formulated and embedded so it happens automatically. That takes time a lots of reps. I hope he can get it done because I really don't see Geno surviving for an entire season.
As for Mannion, is he really an improvement over Eason? At least Eason knows our system.

Total BS here, please tolerate.

QB decision making typically consists of data gathering (reading defense), data analyzing (breaking down data and formula possible counters), decide. Part of data gathering is pre snap, part post snap (where is that safety etc). I suspect Lock may be not good at breaking down data, as counters were predefined in play book. It just might take him a nano second or two longer to breakdown what he saw, he might be frozen (stare down WR) while he was analyzing.

 

[toffee]

With Lock going into his fourth season, I’d guess whatever tendencies are increasingly uncoachable.

Here Montana talk about what's important, please go straight to 13:30, it's timing, reading, making the right reads, throwing the ball in time, compartmentalization, and confidence. Arm strength is overrated.

 

[SonicHawk]

I have a friend that is a diehard Vikings fan. He said Mannion is supposed to be an incredible locker and film room guy.

I remember him in college, he was a pretty dang smart QB. I think he's the kind of guy you keep 3rd on the bench as a relatively average paid coach who has enough youth to play if you really need him. Him and Max Hall I thought were guys that would make good coaches.

 

[Somos doces]

Dan McGwire is about to get re-signed. Dude is still 6'8".

Great point — but according to the stats Toffee posted, Mannion and Brady could be better options, given that they're closing in on 11' in height.

 

[OrangeGravy]

I may not agree the scoring part, but totally agree on the Tebow bit. In a gap year, with no QB with potential to develop, Tebow or Vince Young lol, may just be the ticket.

The problem with going with the exciting high variance crappy QB so fans are entertained, is you don't get to develop and evaluate your young players on offense. The reason coaches will opt for a Geno type guy is exactly that while giving the team the best chance to maximize wins.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Here Montana talk about what's important, please go straight to 13:30, it's timing, reading, making the right reads, throwing the ball in time, compartmentalization, and confidence. Arm strength is overrated.

Im thinking we see Mannion at qb2 possibly very soon, considering what you said.

Serious question: if that happened, could Drew end up on the ps?

 

[toffee]

Im thinking we see Mannion at qb2 possibly very soon, considering what you said.

Serious question: if that happened, could Drew end up on the ps?

I never played the game, so all these are just stringing what I read together:

What Walsh said about Montana:
Foot work, poised under pressure, accuracy.

What Montana said about key to QB success:
timing, reading, making the right reads, throwing the ball in time, compartmentalization, and confidence.

Putting it together:

1. reading, making the right reads = football IQ
   Interesting that Montana separated reading and making the right read. Defense are constantly trying to mislead, it takes high IQ to dissect that.
2. timing, throwing the ball in time = football IQ + quick brain process + footwork.
   Here, good footwork helps throwing the ball in time, Lock has questionable footwork to my untrained eyes, always that extra half step or something. Don't believe me? go watch films on Dan Marino, no hesitation, fluid movement, ball gone quickly. Not sure if that slight hesitation was to buy himself extra time to think or the other way around.
3. compartmentalization, and confidence = poise under pressure
   I think Lock doesn't lack confidence, but not sure about his ability to compartmentalize. Russ was really good in this area.
   

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

That’s why I’m asking whether Drew is better off at qb3. Couldn’t we just protect him on the ps?