If Matt Flynn was QB for 10 years for Seahawks instead of Wilson……………….

[Fade]

Pete never needed Wilson. All he needed was a game manager, a guy who got the ball out quick, that's why he got rid of Hasselbeck and won so many games in the NFL before Wilson arrived. /s

On to REALITY-

Pete saw what Shanny was doing with RGIII, and suggested to Bevell (actually directing him) to implement the zone read. It wasn't as sophisticated as what they were doing in WAS, but it spread the field, and both Lynch & Wilson's YPC exploded.

Wilson had a ton of magical plays in critical situations that a game manager could never pull off.

He also set a bunch of records in those early years, placing him with guys like Manning and Marino. And runners like Vick, Cunningham, and Young.

Wilson is one of the greatest dual threat QBs of all-time statistically, and has the most wins through 10 seasons.

It'll hit home in a couple of seasons when Wilson is having continued success in Denver and the Seahawks are floundering, still trying to find there next QB.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Do the Seahawks make it to back to back Super Bowls? Do Seahawks make the playoffs every year?

No, and no.

There exists a middle ground between the strawman Russ hater that Fade argues against in every single post he makes, and the Russ slobber on the other end of the spectrum.

It is the -only- reasonable ground to be on.

 

[Ozzy]

Pete never needed Wilson. All he needed was a game manager, a guy who got the ball out quick, that's why he got rid of Hasselbeck and won so many games in the NFL before Wilson arrived. /s

On to REALITY-

Pete saw what Shanny was doing with RGIII, and suggested to Bevell (actually directing him) to implement the zone read. It wasn't as sophisticated as what they were doing in WAS, but it spread the field, and both Lynch & Wilson's YPC exploded.

Wilson had a ton of magical plays in critical situations that a game manager could never pull off.

He also set a bunch of records in those early years, placing him with guys like Manning and Marino. And runners like Vick, Cunningham, and Young.

Wilson is one of the greatest dual threat QBs of all-time statistically, and has the most wins through 10 seasons.

It'll hit home in a couple of seasons when Wilson is having continued success in Denver and the Seahawks are floundering, still trying to find there next QB.

Well said Fade

 

[Maelstrom787]

It's upsetting that a lot of the people here that are critical of Russ are putting forth some genuinely horrible justifications for it.

There are incredibly valid reasons to agree with the decision to move on from him. Making bad points about the 2012 zone read stuff isn't it. In fact, I absolutely love rookie Russ, and young Russ may be my favorite quarterback of all time.

 

[Throwdown]

The best Russ was young russ.

I miss the guy and player he was before Patrick Mahomes had him chasing.

 

[hox]

On to REALITY-

Pete saw what Shanny was doing with RGIII, and suggested to Bevell (actually directing him) to implement the zone read. It wasn't as sophisticated as what they were doing in WAS, but it spread the field, and both Lynch & Wilson's YPC exploded.

Wilson had a ton of magical plays in critical situations that a game manager could never pull off.

He also set a bunch of records in those early years, placing him with guys like Manning and Marino. And runners like Vick, Cunningham, and Young.

Wilson is one of the greatest dual threat QBs of all-time statistically, and has the most wins through 10 seasons.

It'll hit home in a couple of seasons when Wilson is having continued success in Denver and the Seahawks are floundering, still trying to find there next QB.

Yes Russ was a gamer in his early years, but all of this is past tense.

If Russ was still the dynamic dual threat to run the ball, and master at the scramble drill before he lost his speed, and before defenses realized he only uses two-thirds of the field, he MIGHT be worth that 50+ million a year. But when he became "Mr. Unlimited" after Mahomes got the MVP, why-not-me Russ, I-can-be-an-MVP-too Russ, he failed spectacularly.

If he is to have success in Denver, that would be because they will have a balanced attack where defenses have to respect the run game. If they're trying to throw it 40 times a game, or play hero ball when you only need 2 yards to move the chains, they will be knocked out in the playoffs early, and left with a limited ability to fill holes in their roster.

Regarding what Pete NEEDS, did anyone on this forum actually say he only needs a game manager that can only dink-and-dunk?

What he needs a point-guard QB who can:

1) make quick decisions
2) utilize the entire field
3) distribute the ball efficiently, including TEs
4) have the ability to make the chunk plays off play-action
and a bonus one, 5) be a legitimate threat to run it on keepers from time to time.

Does older Russ pass that check? 1) no 2) no 3) not really 4) yes 5) no, only when the team is behind in the 4th quarter or when no one is open on the scramble drill

Does a QB like Josh Allen pass that check? 1) yes 2) yes 3) yes 4) yes 5) yes

So as you can see, the ROI on paying Russ 50 mil would have been bad.

 

[Welshers]

Honestly I think they probably win 2-3 SBs if Flynn was QB. Because that way we stick to the gameplan. Russ made a bunch of boneheaded mistakes in the early years. So with Flynn and without Russ we would have won more.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Sarcasm?

 

[sdog1981]

Honestly I think they probably win 2-3 SBs if Flynn was QB. Because that way we stick to the gameplan. Russ made a bunch of boneheaded mistakes in the early years. So with Flynn and without Russ we would have won more.

That is just insane. Flynn played 7 games in 7 seasons, he was not even an average starting NFL QB. In 2013 he played in 4 games for the Packers in 2013 and went 2-2 and was out of the league by 2015.

 

[scutterhawk]

Well it’s true, how can you argue Wilson didn’t help lynch? The zone read was incredible and props to Pete who I’m often critical of for letting bevell use it. The Wilson hate is strange in here. Hell be happy he left if you want but to rewrite history is strange

It's ALSO TRUE that Lynch helped Wilson A LOT..."Just the facts" & where the hell are you getting this "Wilson Hate" shit??
Oh and, being critical of Wilson's shortcomings is NOT a sacrilege that you & John63 are TRYING to make it out to be.

 

[scutterhawk]

That is just insane. Flynn played 7 games in 7 seasons, he was not even an average starting NFL QB. In 2013 he played in 4 games for the Packers in 2013 and went 2-2 and was out of the league by 2015.

^^ THIS ^^

 

[Rat]

I think Flynn would have done better than most would have expected. I thought he looked good in that preseason, but was kind of forced to stick with a plan while they let Russ play backyard football. TO dropped one pass after another from him.

It wasnt just that one game with the Packers where he looked legitimate, he looked great whenever he had to sub in. If Kevin Kolb hadnt flamed out so spectacularly, Flynn would have had many more suitors.

That elbow injury killed his career. He cant complain though; he got an NFL salary while taking minimal NFL hits. He'll probably age normally.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I realize a lot of people just can't stand Russ, and that's fine. But when did Matt f'ing Flynn become Joe Montana?
Dude played 7 GAMES IN 7 YEARS.

 

[hox]

I realize a lot of people just can't stand Russ, and that's fine. But when did Matt f'ing Flynn become Joe Montana?
Dude played 7 GAMES IN 7 YEARS.

He didn't. I guess the OP was trying to make a point.

Good thing PC chose young Russ over Flynn despite giving Flynn that contract. Always compete was in effect.

 

[Ozzy]

It's ALSO TRUE that Lynch helped Wilson A LOT..."Just the facts" & where the hell are you getting this "Wilson Hate" shit??
Oh and, being critical of Wilson's shortcomings is NOT a sacrilege that you & John63 are TRYING to make it out to be.

Lynch did help Wilson and Wilson helped Lynch. A ton of people claiming Wilson played little to no part in teams success is what I'm being critical of. Saying Wilsons running ability and being able to create an offense around that with the zone read that no one knew how to stop was in large part because of Wilson. You can't run it with Lynch and Flynn right?

That is "just the facts"

People can surely be critical of his shortcomings. I just think with those shortcomings he was in rarified air his first 1,2,3,5,10 etc years in the league with only a handful of guys.

 

[Ozzy]

Honestly I think they probably win 2-3 SBs if Flynn was QB. Because that way we stick to the gameplan. Russ made a bunch of boneheaded mistakes in the early years. So with Flynn and without Russ we would have won more.

You can't be serious.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

They don't make either Super Bowl without the Defense, The Running game OR Russ. Period. Not sure why that's so hard for people to understand. They were ALL a huge part of that run.

 

[John63]

I think Flynn would have done better than most would have expected. I thought he looked good in that preseason, but was kind of forced to stick with a plan while they let Russ play backyard football. TO dropped one pass after another from him.

It wasnt just that one game with the Packers where he looked legitimate, he looked great whenever he had to sub in. If Kevin Kolb hadnt flamed out so spectacularly, Flynn would have had many more suitors.

That elbow injury killed his career. He cant complain though; he got an NFL salary while taking minimal NFL hits. He'll probably age normally.

Matt flynn his career stats

61% compt, 17tds, 11 ints, 85 passer. NO he would not have done well for us. Even his best season was sub par

 

[Ozzy]

Flynn wasn't forced to stick to a plan he doesn't have the skillset to do what Russ did and can do, almost no one does.

Maybe he was better than we know? Very possible. He wasn't HOF worthy is my guess like Wilson is and the idea that we win multiple SB's because Wilson held the team back is insanity.

 

[hawkfan68]

Didn't Matt Flynn sit out a few preseason games and practices because he had a "dead arm"? Or some issue preventing him from throwing the ball. It's probably one of the main factors of why he lost the QB battle with RW. I don't believe he would have made through a season much less taking a team to SB (or multiple SBs as some suggest).