Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)

bigtrain21":uw13krni said:

Can you define "become a shambles"? I have never seen the term shambles used in that way. Thanks.

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I'm saying it's become a bit of a mess and needs sorting asap so the team can move on, whatever the decision.

theENGLISHseahawk":1avzizk8 said:

bigtrain21":1avzizk8 said:

Can you define "become a shambles"? I have never seen the term shambles used in that way. Thanks.

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I'm saying it's become a bit of a mess and needs sorting asap so the team can move on, whatever the decision.

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Move on from what? They haven't even played one preseason game or even got to the first cutdown day. Seems the only drama going on is completely in your head.

Shadowhawk":1belfrik said:

I'm sorry, I just don't see the drama here. If Harvin plays through this injury and it turns out to be more serious than the team doctor thinks it is, he is risking a more serious injury that could affect not only his career but his life after football. Don't you think that's worth taking a little time to be sure?

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I'm willing to accept this if we're also going to say the team doctors are incompetent and making decisions in the absolute interest of the team and not the player. Usually when you get cleared, you're cleared. You don't fly to New York to seek out a specialist who... given any opportunity to perform surgery... is likely to push for it. However minor.

Shadowhawk":1belfrik said:

don't you think it's worth taking a few hours, maybe even sleeping on it, to think it over and make the right decision? You talk about this "dragging on even longer," but it has only been five days! Five days in which he probably wouldn't have been practicing anyway. What is the big deal?

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No, I think it's time to make a decision. You might not think this is drama... but I see a 26 page thread on this forum, constant Twitter chatter among both local and national media and an entire fan base wondering what the hell is going on.

He has the information now. It's time to make a decision. Either have the surgery or don't. There's no need for it to be "slept on".

Shadowhawk":1belfrik said:

You talk about this "dragging on even longer," but it has only been five days! Five days in which he probably wouldn't have been practicing anyway. What is the big deal?

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Can you tell me then how long injuries usually take to be diagnosed? Especially after the team doctors have cleared you? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Six days now by my count since camp began. It'll stretch into a seventh.

Shadowhawk":1belfrik said:

And as for agreeing with Florio, why? The man basically said that he has nothing to report but that it COULD be a bad outcome. Nobody has anything to report and everyone knows that the outcome could be bad. Florio is the same guy who concocted a theory last spring that the Seahawks could cut Sidney Rice for cap reasons after trading for Harvin and based that theory on ZERO actual evidence. The man just throws [stuff] up against the wall to see what sticks. Take it with a grain of salt.

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No, Florio actually says if it was just a case of no surgery the chances are it would have been announced today that everything was fine and he'd be involved in camp ASAP. And he is spot on. The fact that we're all still hanging on suggests the team and Harvin's rep's are doing one of two things - either trying to convince him not to take surgery, or discussing the surgery options. For me, any kind of surgery is bad news because he's going to miss considerable time.

And I'm not really fussed what Florio has written in the past. I don't think his work is constantly accurate by any means, but in this case I agree with him. This isn't throwing stuff against a wall. It's his view. A view that I, not unfairly I'd say, share.

KCHawkGirl":wb9nm8xn said:

Move on from what? They haven't even played one preseason game or even got to the first cutdown day. Seems the only drama going on is completely in your head.

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Yes... it's all me. This is actually a subject of minor interest to Seahawks fans and the wider NFL. In fact I doubt anyone is really all that interested in it. It'll probably be filed underneath "Blaine Gabbert camp update" and "Andy Reid eats sandwich" on NFL.com

Meanwhile, back on planet earth...

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In the last hour it finally clicked, I don't think I'll care that much if he misses games, we have Russell Wilson, emerging depth, and hopefully an even better defense. Whatever.

theENGLISHseahawk":37oll881 said:

KCHawkGirl":37oll881 said:

Move on from what? They haven't even played one preseason game or even got to the first cutdown day. Seems the only drama going on is completely in your head.

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Yes... it's all me. This is actually a subject of minor interest to Seahawks fans and the wider NFL. In fact I doubt anyone is really all that interested in it. It'll probably be filed underneath "Blaine Gabbert camp update" and "Andy Reid eats sandwich" on NFL.com

Meanwhile, back on planet earth...

:roll:

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Talk about impatient. You seriously need to chill out because whatever the deal is we will know soon enough, excuse me that it's just not matching your personal schedule. :roll:

It isn't like he's critical to our success or anything. He would be nice to have but not critical say like someone called Russell Wilson?

pehawk":2il1tkvq said:

I just heard; have surgery and be available about week 12 or play through.

I dont care either way.

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source?

Sportcenter and John Clayton. Surgery, he's available last quarter of the season. No surgery, he grinds through.

KCHawkGirl":1133jyv5 said:

Talk about impatient. You seriously need to chill out because whatever the deal is we will know soon enough, excuse me that it's just not matching your personal schedule. :roll:

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Just in case you weren't aware... people can have a different opinion on a particular subject. It is actually allowed on the internet, believe it or not.

But the irony of your bossy madam routine telling someone to "chill out" has been noted.

Softy reporting he's done for the year.

theENGLISHseahawk":3n2zbwyc said:

I'm willing to accept this if we're also going to say the team doctors are incompetent and making decisions in the absolute interest of the team and not the player. Usually when you get cleared, you're cleared. You don't fly to New York to seek out a specialist who... given any opportunity to perform surgery... is likely to push for it. However minor.

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Why don't we ask Kenny Easley about how competent his team doctors were and how much they cared about his welfare? Based on multiple reports, the team has said they want Harvin to play through this. The team doctor has said Harvin can play. But if they are wrong, it's Harvin who has to live with their mistake, just like Easley did.

theENGLISHseahawk":3n2zbwyc said:

No, I think it's time to make a decision. You might not think this is drama... but I see a 26 page thread on this forum, constant Twitter chatter among both local and national media and an entire fan base wondering what the hell is going on.

He has the information now. It's time to make a decision. Either have the surgery or don't. There's no need for it to be "slept on".

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And everyone who has posted on this 26-page thread, local and national media, and an entire fan base all have one thing in common: it doesn't matter one damn bit what we think. If Carroll and Schneider came out and said that Harvin needs to make a decision, THAT would matter. If Seahawks players were coming out and saying Harvin needs to make a decision, THAT would matter. But as far as I'm concerned, Percy Harvin has no obligation to anyone else as far as when he has to make a decision. If you have anything suggesting that the front office or the rest of the team is getting restless, I'll concede the point. But I don't think you do. There may be drama on a few message boards but the only thing that counts is whether there is drama in the Seahawks locker room, and there is no evidence that that is the case.

theENGLISHseahawk":3n2zbwyc said:

Can you tell me then how long injuries usually take to be diagnosed? Especially after the team doctors have cleared you? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Six days now by my count since camp began. It'll stretch into a seventh.

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I highly doubt that Percy Harvin is this doctor's only patient. Today was probably the soonest that the doctor could see him. Again, if you have any evidence to the contrary present it. And as far as the team doctor is concerned, see my first response.

theENGLISHseahawk":3n2zbwyc said:

No, Florio actually says if it was just a case of no surgery the chances are it would have been announced today that everything was fine and he'd be involved in camp ASAP. And he is spot on. The fact that we're all still hanging on suggests the team and Harvin's rep's are doing one of two things - either trying to convince him not to take surgery, or discussing the surgery options. For me, any kind of surgery is bad news because he's going to miss considerable time.

And I'm not really fussed what Florio has written in the past. I don't think his work is constantly accurate by any means, but in this case I agree with him. This isn't throwing stuff against a wall. It's his view. A view that I, not unfairly I'd say, share.

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The question isn't whether Harvin will have surgery; surgery is probably inevitable at some point. The question is whether Harvin can afford to wait to delay surgery until after the season the way Kam Chancellor did last year. And on that score, Florio has no new information and is falling back on his old days when PFT was nothing more than a rumor site. I brought up the Rice story from last spring as evidence that Florio tends to make stuff up just to attract readers. He is doing the same in this case.

ExperienceJones":314oq50v said:

Softy reporting he's done for the year.

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uhhh...wut?

Missing_Clink":2ekein6q said:

ExperienceJones":2ekein6q said:

Softy reporting he's done for the year.

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uhhh...wut?

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That's what I heard, might have misheard. Had to leave the car.

theENGLISHseahawk":2n8kafqz said:

No, I think it's time to make a decision. You might not think this is drama... but I see a 26 page thread on this forum, constant Twitter chatter among both local and national media and an entire fan base wondering what the hell is going on.

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Why should a player make a medical decision that affects his future based on the impatience of the media and the fanbase? That seems like a terrible reason to rush into a major medical decision. The fact that many fans are freaking out about this should have no baring on the decision. Any decision should be made based on discussions between the player and the team period.

ExperienceJones":3ohae0nw said:

Missing_Clink":3ohae0nw said:

ExperienceJones":3ohae0nw said:

Softy reporting he's done for the year.

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uhhh...wut?

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That's what I heard.

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You heard it on the radio? Or you heard it from someone who "heard" it on the radio?

Missing_Clink":2trle1t4 said:

ExperienceJones":2trle1t4 said:

Softy reporting he's done for the year.

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uhhh...wut?

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I would be happy with surgery, but back week 12 or so. That wouldn't be the worst result.

Done for year? Might as well try and play through if you can monitor the injury and check that you are not making the tear bigger.

listening to KJR now they are just posing a hypothetical quesiton about what people think "IF" he's done for the year.

I hate it when they do these dumb "IF" segments becuase if you tune in in the middle its hard to tell that it's a hypothetical.

Shadowhawk":enjs8bng said:

He is doing the same in this case.

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I still don't understand this suggestion that he's making anything up.

Florio's not talking in facts. He's suggesting, again, not unfairly IMO, that the fact Harvin hasn't just come out and been cleared by this specialist suggests it's not the good news we were hoping for. I think we can all agree that the chances are Harvin won't come out tomorrow and say, "the specialist says I'm good to go". What is more likely is that the specialist has suggested surgery and the team are now talking to Harvin about the options. Otherwise we'd have heard something by now.

I get that some people don't much like Florio, but in this instance I find it hard to argue with him. He's called it pretty well for me.

ExperienceJones":13r7w16a said:

Missing_Clink":13r7w16a said:

ExperienceJones":13r7w16a said:

Softy reporting he's done for the year.

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uhhh...wut?

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That's what I heard, might have misheard. Had to leave the car.

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Nothing on Twitter yet, and you've got to figure that news like that would be exploding by now. Probably a mishear. [crossing fingers]

Also the idea that percy harvin is like a 12 year old who gets a doctors note to get out of gym class is idiocy.