Wisconsin's O-Line with Wilson

after watching RW highlights when he was at Wisconsin....wow. He has so much time. He'll make a scramble play here and there but just from watching the highlights you can easily tell if he had the time he could be an elite passing QB in the NFL (if hes not already). I think we all know how good RW can be but I really hope we can get a great O-Line so he can shine in the passing game. It's just really awesome to see him play with a legit O-Line.

I wouldn't be mad if they drafted all O-line and D-line this next draft. Let them all compete in training camps and keep the best ones.

Actually I wouldn't be mad if they drafted all O-line either.

that's why he has the all time passer rating his senior year.

1. Russell Wilson 191.78 2011 Wisconsin


I don't believe it though, must be something wrong. He can't throw from the pocket behind that huge Wisconsin line.

HawkFan72":wvvg4orf said:

I wouldn't be mad if they drafted all O-line and D-line this next draft. Let them all compete in training camps and keep the best ones.

Actually I wouldn't be mad if they drafted all O-line either.

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How often have you seen an NFL team do that?

Smellyman":3gs9rzfb said:

that's why he has the all time passer rating his senior year.

1. Russell Wilson 191.78 2011 Wisconsin


I don't believe it though, must be something wrong. He can't throw from the pocket behind that huge Wisconsin line.

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I've always thought of that subject a different way. I have absolutely no statistics to back this up but I imagine that the average D-line he played against was much smaller (or at least less skilled) than the NFL average. The difference to me has more to do with guys getting their hands up than his O-line being big.

BillHawks":10vlcdsu said:

Smellyman":10vlcdsu said:

that's why he has the all time passer rating his senior year.

1. Russell Wilson 191.78 2011 Wisconsin


I don't believe it though, must be something wrong. He can't throw from the pocket behind that huge Wisconsin line.

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I've always thought of that subject a different way. I have absolutely no statistics to back this up but I imagine that the average D-line he played against was much smaller (or at least less skilled) than the NFL average. The difference to me has more to do with guys getting their hands up than his O-line being big.

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less skilled yes, players are in the NFL for a reason, but probably not much smaller playing in the Big 10 and ACC

Smellyman":33g1o9fh said:

that's why he has the all time passer rating his senior year.

1. Russell Wilson 191.78 2011 Wisconsin


I don't believe it though, must be something wrong. He can't throw from the pocket behind that huge Wisconsin line.

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Oh yeah?, well...................Andy Luck

MontanaHawk05":1p5t13wf said:

HawkFan72":1p5t13wf said:

I wouldn't be mad if they drafted all O-line and D-line this next draft. Let them all compete in training camps and keep the best ones.

Actually I wouldn't be mad if they drafted all O-line either.

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How often have you seen an NFL team do that?

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I saw the Saints go all RB throughout the draft. Does that count

Crizilla":3burb55v said:

after watching RW highlights when he was at Wisconsin....wow. He has so much time. He'll make a scramble play here and there but just from watching the highlights you can easily tell if he had the time he could be an elite passing QB in the NFL (if hes not already). I think we all know how good RW can be but I really hope we can get a great O-Line so he can shine in the passing game. It's just really awesome to see him play with a legit O-Line.

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You do realize that no QB gets that kind of passing time in the NFL, right? Wilson as it is holds the ball longer than any QB in the NFL. Even if he had the best line in the NFL I have a hunch that he would still end up with a lot of sacks due to his playing style. The good news is he has made some progress this season in this department.

HawkFan72":t0ggj6rc said:

I wouldn't be mad if they drafted all O-line and D-line this next draft. Let them all compete in training camps and keep the best ones.

Actually I wouldn't be mad if they drafted all O-line either.

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Really, I do not get this obsession people have with the offensive line around here. Yes it is an important component to the game, but right now we have much larger, more pressing issues --- that being our receiver core which is easily one of the worst in the league if not THE worst.

I think you're minimizing the level of competition Russell went against. Russell was an elite 5th year senior dominating against the college level. It's unfair expect him to maintain that level of play at the pro level simply with an elite level Oline. The throwing lanes will never be as big and his receivers will never be as open, nor will the defenses he plays have an overall lack of talent or brains to defend a balanced offense with a mobile QB like most of Wisconsin's opponents.

In reality. Russell's style of play really hasn't changed much from his college days. He made smart, high percentage throws, used his mobility to break the pocket and find open receivers, and didn't force the ball on risky passes. He still gave up a lot of sacks. Wisconsin's highly rated Oline gave up 25 sacks in 2011 on 328 attempts. Compare that to USC's 8 sacks on 447 attempts or Oklahoma State's 12 sacks on 595 attempts.

(Looking at the rushing stats and carries number, you could say Wisconsin's Offensive line was better built to run block than pass pro. Hmmm...)

Any QB can operate well in a perfect pocket, but some need that perfect pocket more than others, like Barkley of USC or Brandon Weeden from OK State. Wilson is not one of those guys who needs a perfect pocket to be effective as a QB. Heck, there's evidence that even with a perfect pocket he prefers to break out of it because it gives him more options to make a play.

My point is that overspending on Oline is not utilizing our draft or cap resources to the team's best needs if our QB isn't a pocket passer. Wilson wants to make plays with his feet. Why not spend the money/draft picks on an elite, athletic receiver who can work well with Wilson on scramble plays (Tate 2.0) or a big WR/TE security blanket that Wilson feels comfortable throwing to in tight coverage? Those, imo, are the bigger needs on offense than another top draft pick on the Oline.

If you have a perfect O Line, you still need players who can get open. We need that badly. I would be happy with drafting another pass catching option(WR/TE), more OL for depth, and of course D depth.
I can see just that happening. Shoot, I wouldn't doubt that we draft another RB either.

Spin Doctor":1tcn2q9r said:

Crizilla":1tcn2q9r said:

after watching RW highlights when he was at Wisconsin....wow. He has so much time. He'll make a scramble play here and there but just from watching the highlights you can easily tell if he had the time he could be an elite passing QB in the NFL (if hes not already). I think we all know how good RW can be but I really hope we can get a great O-Line so he can shine in the passing game. It's just really awesome to see him play with a legit O-Line.

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You do realize that no QB gets that kind of passing time in the NFL, right? Wilson as it is holds the ball longer than any QB in the NFL. Even if he had the best line in the NFL I have a hunch that he would still end up with a lot of sacks due to his playing style. The good news is he has made some progress this season in this department.

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You do realize that no one is expecting him or any other QB to get that kind of time in the NFL, right? You do realize this is for illustrative purposes and not to be taken literally, right? You do realize that one of the factors in him holding the ball the longest in the NFL is that his receivers struggle to get open (his #1 WR is a slot guy, Doug Baldwin), right? You do realize his level of play would increase if he did have more time in the pocket and better WRs, right?


You do realize that your nearly endless sniping at Wilson makes you look small-minded and singularly focused here, right?

hawksfansinceday1":109iujtr said:

Spin Doctor":109iujtr said:

Crizilla":109iujtr said:

after watching RW highlights when he was at Wisconsin....wow. He has so much time. He'll make a scramble play here and there but just from watching the highlights you can easily tell if he had the time he could be an elite passing QB in the NFL (if hes not already). I think we all know how good RW can be but I really hope we can get a great O-Line so he can shine in the passing game. It's just really awesome to see him play with a legit O-Line.

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You do realize that no QB gets that kind of passing time in the NFL, right? Wilson as it is holds the ball longer than any QB in the NFL. Even if he had the best line in the NFL I have a hunch that he would still end up with a lot of sacks due to his playing style. The good news is he has made some progress this season in this department.

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You do realize that no one is expecting him or any other QB to get that kind of time in the NFL, right? You do realize this is for illustrative purposes and not to be taken literally, right? You do realize that one of the factors in him holding the ball the longest in the NFL is that his receivers struggle to get open (his #1 WR is a slot guy, Doug Baldwin), right? You do realize his level of play would increase if he did have more time in the pocket and better WRs, right?


You do realize that your nearly endless sniping at Wilson makes you look small-minded and singularly focused here, right?

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2007 Hass was better. :stirthepot: