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I might be wrong but I don't remember the last time Carroll fired a coach (including USC days) other than OC Jeremy Bates.
Barthawk":39uyg9rf said:Bevell was also encouraging Kam to hold-out..
Thunderhawk":3lp2afuk said:It's called accountability. On Wall Street if a CEO's employees underperform and the company misses its earnings estimates the CEO is held responsible. If this happens for multiple quarters activists investors, like Carl Icahn, will swoop in and make sure the CEO is bounced. Bevell is the CEO of our offense and he hasn't been good enough. Why should deeply invested fans be disparaged as emotional reactionaries when they call for a coaches dismissal when Harvard MBAs are lauded as reasonable for pursuing the same course in ousting CEOs?theENGLISHseahawk":3lp2afuk said:Because unlike a lot of our fans they don't single out a scapegoat who can be blamed every time anything goes wrong on offense.
Player doesn't execute? Bevell.
Player doesn't get enough catches? Bevell.
Lynch doesn't get a hole in the run game? Bevell.
Forget the HC, QB, WR, OL, TE, assistant HC. It's all Bevell all the time.
The obsession continues.
Maybe, just maybe, Carroll knows what he's doing?
Bottom line: Let's please stop treating these football guys like they're always infallible and fans like they're always ignorant. GMs and coaches make catastrophically stupid decisions all the time. Chip Kelly was lauded as a genius when he was hired by the Eagles. I guess Philly fans are stupid for questioning his genius off-season moves. And Chip is only the most recent example. A few years ago many around here had "In Ruskell We Trust" sigs. When some of us started to really question his decisions we got the same treatment. "Timmy is super smart and you're just a fan." How did that work out?
PC and JS deserve our trust but that doesn't mean we turn our brains off. They have blundered from time to time and deserve criticism just as they deserve plaudits for all their successes. Bevell is simply not good enough and the Seahawks deserve better.
Thunderhawk":1um3t5a5 said:Bottom line: Let's please stop treating these football guys like they're always infallible and fans like they're always ignorant. GMs and coaches make catastrophically stupid decisions all the time. Chip Kelly was lauded as a genius when he was hired by the Eagles. I guess Philly fans are stupid for questioning his genius off-season moves. And Chip is only the most recent example. A few years ago many around here had "In Ruskell We Trust" sigs. When some of us started to really question his decisions we got the same treatment. "Timmy is super smart and you're just a fan." How did that work out?
PC and JS deserve our trust but that doesn't mean we turn our brains off. They have blundered from time to time and deserve criticism just as they deserve plaudits for all their successes. Bevell is simply not good enough and the Seahawks deserve better.
Well-thought out post Frickin Thank you for your insights. We see things differently, but have the same ultimate objective. Go Hawks!FrickinChickens":1qyws8gd said:My 2 cents on Bevell:
I have been calling for his head for over three years now but not because I think he is bad, we are 1-1 in the SB with him as our OC. My frustration is that he tries to be too cute and tries to hard to outthink the opposing D coordinator rather than just trying to put our players in the best position to succeed. I would prefer that, similar to our current defensive and old Holmgren philosophy, he just line them up and make the opposition beat our players straight up at what they do best. I think about our offense under Holmgren, everyone knew #37 was going to get the ball but instead of trying the cute crap we just kept running him until they proved they could stop him. I don't have a problem with the play called that ended the SB, I just wonder about his reasoning for calling that play. His comment about surprising everyone makes sense but to me but I still believe he outthinks himself or the situation all too often and it has cost the team opportunities. If that play had won us the SB would everyone still want his head? I would simply because he has had me yelling at the TV every game for the last few years. We have a historic defense, we should ride them all the way. The offense, which has more than enough talent, doesn't need to be stellar just steady and it seems he tries to mold the player into his perceived strengths of his game plan rather than mold his gameplan to the strengths of the player.
Footnote: This post is purely my gut feelings, simply how I feel/think after 39 years of Seahawks football. I do not claim to be an expert on NFL football, I do not claim to know Bevell or anyone on or close to the team. I do not care if you agree or disagree. But if you do disagree please provide your thoughts in a civil manner.
HawkFan72":1sy5m6br said:Sports Hernia":1sy5m6br said:I think the only reason DB is still here is loyalty. Pete's biggest strength (loyalty) is also his biggest weakness.
Don't forget he fired Jeremy Bates after one year. He's let go of multiple former USC players.
I don't think Pete has any problem moving on when he feels he needs to.
theENGLISHseahawk":gr3auafs said:Because unlike a lot of our fans they don't single out a scapegoat who can be blamed every time anything goes wrong on offense.
Player doesn't execute? Bevell.
Player doesn't get enough catches? Bevell.
Lynch doesn't get a hole in the run game? Bevell.
Forget the HC, QB, WR, OL, TE, assistant HC. It's all Bevell all the time.
The obsession continues.
Maybe, just maybe, Carroll knows what he's doing?
MontanaHawk05":3u8ipjch said:652cHAWK":3u8ipjch said:Some of the blame, er reason why Bevell is still here, etc....has been put on RW and various members of the offense for bad play execution and poor decision making. Essentially, that is what PC said was the case for the RW int. play in XLIX. We didn't execute the play well, and the other team made the play.
And the Patriots said that they made the play because they recognized it from film as one of the very few goalline concepts the Seahawks had been running all year. The Super Bowl is not the time to stay simple on offense, with Lynch, without any big receiving targets, against one of the league's defensive minds.
Bevell might simply be around because of a) the desire for consistency, an important consideration at all times; b) the right replacement hasn't come along; c) because our personnel are still so underdeveloped that Pete just doesn't see Bevell as the main problem; d) still scarred over the Jeremy Bates thing (fought with the other coaches, didn't use Lynch); e) some of all the above.
bbsplitter":3dcnysr4 said:I think they keep him because Pete is loyal, and also Pete can control the game plan with Bevell. I honestly think Bevell would call different games if Pete wasn't always in his ear saying run run run protect the ball protect the ball - etc. For example every time people complain about the endless bubble screens - they are safe, controlled plays that usually get at least 3 or 4 yards, with the possibility of a big play. Basically the pass equivalent of a run. That screams Pete all the way.