Trade Rumors

[Uncle Si]

So having a good running game, you just need an average QB? :roll:
Though I do get sick of the play calling sometimes not letting him do what he does best. It's maddening.

Nick Foles says hi, and Tom Brady's team-friendly cap looks good compared to our franchise quarterback that wants to be paid top dollar. Please let me know how many rings Brady (since he's apparently the G.O.A.T.) won when he was being paid top-dollar. (That is 50% sarcasm and 50% legit questioning)

You do know why Brady isnt paid top dollar, right? and nick foles just signed for 4 years, 88 million?

 

[jmahon316]

So having a good running game, you just need an average QB? :roll:
Though I do get sick of the play calling sometimes not letting him do what he does best. It's maddening.

Nick Foles says hi, and Tom Brady's team-friendly cap looks good compared to our franchise quarterback that wants to be paid top dollar. Please let me know how many rings Brady (since he's apparently the G.O.A.T.) won when he was being paid top-dollar. (That is 50% sarcasm and 50% legit questioning)

You do know why Brady isnt paid top dollar, right? and nick foles just signed for 4 years, 88 million?

Please educate me on the first part, and as far as the second part is concerned, I'll gladly eat crow and even put this as my signature if Foles ever reaches the Superbowl championship game during the next 4 years as a Jaguar. I was making a point as far as coaching and having a great team altogether goes, not focusing solely on a quarterback.

 

[beaumaris]

You don't let a franchise QB go. It would take a minimum of 3 first rounders to even consider trading him.

Eli's good for another year,and draft a QB. :lol:

 

[Uncle Si]

So having a good running game, you just need an average QB? :roll:
Though I do get sick of the play calling sometimes not letting him do what he does best. It's maddening.

Nick Foles says hi, and Tom Brady's team-friendly cap looks good compared to our franchise quarterback that wants to be paid top dollar. Please let me know how many rings Brady (since he's apparently the G.O.A.T.) won when he was being paid top-dollar. (That is 50% sarcasm and 50% legit questioning)

You do know why Brady isnt paid top dollar, right? and nick foles just signed for 4 years, 88 million?

Please educate me on the first part, and as far as the second part is concerned, I'll gladly eat crow and even put this as my signature if Foles ever reaches the Superbowl championship game during the next 4 years as a Jaguar. I was making a point as far as coaching and having a great team altogether goes, not focusing solely on a quarterback.

you need educating as why Tom Brady hasnt ever pushed the Patriots for a mega deal?

I mean try google i guess. im not going to do the work for you.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Yet again, Russ wanting a big contract somehow makes him different. And I'm sure there have NEVER been chunks of change behind closed doors to Lord Brady. The Pats NEVER would do something like that. He has made plenty of coin in his career. Why are people not comparing his deal to the other QB's who are next up? Because somehow Russ is different for wanting to get a big deal that he has earned.

Brady was always top 5 in pay, and had several years of being the highest paid QB in the mid 2000s. It really wasn't until 2013 that he started taking steep discounts, and team friendly restructures.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

This isn't 2017, and Lynch isn't on the team anymore. We're talking about a contract for future services. Paying Wilson top dollar when Carroll wants to be a run-first team is like buying a Ferrari to drive through the neighborhood.

No, it isn't. To make your Ferrari-in-the-neighborhood analogy work, your neighborhood has to have a MINIMUM speed limit of 50 MPH. The kind of clutch third-down conversions a quarterback inevitably has to make to bring an NFL team to the playoffs are not doable by Honda Civic quarterbacks. Tarvaris Jackson wasn't consistently capable of them, either.

Nick Foles did not play like a Honda Civic quarterback during his Super Bowl run. He outdueled Tom Brady. He played on an elite level during that playoff run (and benefited from easy games against the Giants and Raiders with Wentz having done most of the heavy lifting that season) and is now rolling in the dough for it. He should essentially be regarded similarly to a QB having been playing on his rookie contract, albeit one that took longer to realize his potential and bounced between two other teams first.

 

[Chapow]

Nick Foles says hi, and Tom Brady's team-friendly cap looks good compared to our franchise quarterback that wants to be paid top dollar. Please let me know how many rings Brady (since he's apparently the G.O.A.T.) won when he was being paid top-dollar. (That is 50% sarcasm and 50% legit questioning)

You do know why Brady isnt paid top dollar, right? and nick foles just signed for 4 years, 88 million?

Please educate me on the first part, and as far as the second part is concerned, I'll gladly eat crow and even put this as my signature if Foles ever reaches the Superbowl championship game during the next 4 years as a Jaguar. I was making a point as far as coaching and having a great team altogether goes, not focusing solely on a quarterback.

you need educating as why Tom Brady hasnt ever pushed the Patriots for a mega deal?

I mean try google i guess. im not going to do the work for you.

I'll do it since I've already done it several times recently anyway.

He (and others that bring up Brady) are also ignoring the little arrangement between Brady and the Patriots that provides Brady an additional source of income that comes straight from the Patriots organization but does not count against the salary cap and isn't included as part of Brady's contract.

Article here: https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015 ... story.html

Some quotes from that article:

The Patriots, in an unusual departure from National Football League practice, have created a revenue stream for a private business owned by their franchise quarterback, Tom Brady, and a partner who faced federal sanctions after falsely presenting himself as a medical doctor and deceptively promoting nutritional supplements.

The NFL says it is aware of the arrangement and has taken no action, despite questions from some specialists in sports law and economics about whether teams should pay for services by for-profit companies owned by their active players and whether the relationship provides value to Brady that should be counted against the club’s salary cap.

The Patriots could be seen as providing additional value by effectively partnering with Brady’s therapy center, while other physical therapy companies pay large sums to sponsor NFL teams such as the Philadelphia Eagles and Chicago Bears.

As for additional value, Rascher said, “It is a big deal for medical groups to be the official providers for professional teams. They pay handsomely for that privilege.’’

Discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=153442&p=2261172#p2261172

I really wish people would quit bringing up Brady and his team friendly contract without telling the whole story. It's just really, really disingenuous.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I know it's meant to be light hearted but TJack played through a torn pectoral muscle for the team and was the ideal vet backup for us during our Super Bowl appearances. He wasn't a top 10 NFL QB but easily still upper half of Seahawks we have had over the years.

I agree. I think TJack would have taken the '12 and '13 teams to the playoffs. He's under-appreciated because he was a large reason we didn't make the playoffs in '11, and people seem to forget (as you noted) he played most of that season injured.

Tarvaris Jackson was a very bad QB. There is a reason why he never received a single offer after he got cut from the Seahawks. He had more turnovers than touchdowns in every year he played except for one. His accuracy was all over the place, and his decision making was very slow. He'd pop off for 2 games a year and then be a burden on the teams he was on. Tarvaris is overrated around here, and people were cursing his name when he was our QB (all except he who shall not be named). Mind you, this was a guy that had played in the same system for 6 years. He also had a receiver that was on his team for a good portion of that time in Sidney Rice. Pete Carroll's system is also designed to do one thing: minimize turnovers. Despite limiting throws to certain areas of the field, and really having tight reigns on the QB, he had more turnovers than touchdowns.

The only way it makes sense to trade Wilson is if there is a QB prospect that they really like, or they get some sort of veteran placeholder like Eli Manning in that trade -- ideally a combo of both. We could win some games and buy just a little time with an Eli Manning character. Not so much with a Tarvaris Jackson style of QB.

 

[Elemas]

I understand the risk associated with the cost. But, I wouldn't let RW walk away...by far, he's done the most for this team since he came into the league.

You build around him and take it from there.

Picking up another QB in the draft? There's always been the hidden gems...and you can argue the contract values of folks like Mahomes, Wentz, Goff....anyone remember Big Ben vs. the Hawks?

But...it's going to be interesting to see if A. any of the aforementioned win the big one on their rookie contracts (sorry Wentz...that goes to Foles) and B. how much will they demand when the time comes?

Trading Wilson? smdh...

 

[James in PA]

Damnit, let’s just get this over with: trade Russ, load up on draft picks, free up a ton of cap room, and get Whithurst & Matt Flynn on the phone ASAP and have them battle this thing out once and for all!!!!!!!


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sarcasm aside... if RW was traded, who would be a good vet to bring in to work with whatever rookie Qb is drafted? who could get the team 10 wins with a young, but solid defense and really good running game?

Such a QB would need to part of a trade package. Nobody currently out there is capable of getting us to 10, even with a great D and great running game. Bradford? Kaep? (Shudder!)


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[toffee]

Normally, I'll pay little attention to these thing until one jumps up that leaves me thinking, what if....

This is a three team trade, Cardinals, Gaints and the Seahawks.

The Cardinals would receive the Gaints 6, 17 and 37 picks.

The Gaints would receive Russell Wilson.

The Seahawks would get the no. 1 pick in this years draft with two conditional picks in 2020 and 2021 2 or 3 rounders. Depending on russ performance.

I'd like to hear what you think about this?
Cheers

Just for fun:

Cardinal gets Giant's 6, 17, & 37. Hawk's 2020 2nd
Giant gets DangerRuss
Hawks gets, Rosen,, Cardinal's 1, 2020 2nd, two 2020 3rd

 

[Ad Hawk]

Several posts here have also continued the false narrative that PC operates on a Run-First model.

That's not true. It's a balance between run and pass, and the pass needs to be effective on deep throws. Few QBs have that kind of touch to effectively launch daggers.

 

[AirStrike]

So having a good running game, you just need an average QB? :roll:
Though I do get sick of the play calling sometimes not letting him do what he does best. It's maddening.

Nick Foles says hi, and Tom Brady's team-friendly cap looks good compared to our franchise quarterback that wants to be paid top dollar. They are the stars of the last 3 superbowls. Please let me know how many rings Brady (since he's apparently the G.O.A.T.) won when he was being paid top-dollar. (That is 50% sarcasm and 50% legit questioning)

Brady's deals didn't start getting cap friendly until he was 38 years old, Nick Foles just signed an almost 90 million dollar deal.

Name me the last 10 Superbowls winners and find me a QB that wasn't paid top dollars at their position.

 

[oldhawkfan]

By all means, trade Russ. I certainly miss all those years of QB envy for the teams that had a franchise guy. Good times! :roll: it makes perfect sense to trade away one of the top QBs in the league. After all it’s so easy to just find another one. It only took the Seahawks 37 years to find one. The Dolphins haven’t had one since Marino retired. What’s wrong with them? Just go get another one!

 

[toffee]

By all means, trade Russ. I certainly miss all those years of QB envy for the teams that had a franchise guy. Good times! :roll: it makes perfect sense to trade away one of the top QBs in the league. After all it’s so easy to just find another one. It only took the Seahawks 37 years to find one. The Dolphins haven’t had one since Marino retired. What’s wrong with them? Just go get another one!

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[jmahon316]

Alright, I'll bite.

2019 - Patriots won, Brady was #11 highest paid QB for 18-19 Season
2018 - Eagles won. Foles was #47 highest paid QB for 17-18 Season.
2017 - Patriots won. Brady was #18 highest paid QB for 16-17 Season.
2016 - Broncos won. P Manning was #6 highest paid QB for 15-16 Season
2015 - Patriots won. Brady was #12 highest paid QB for 14-15 Season
2014 - Seahawks won. Wilson was the #43 highest paid QB for 13-14 Season
2013 - Ravens won. Flacco was the #16 highest paid QB for 12-13 Season
2012 - Giants won. E Manning was the #5 highest paid QB for the 11-12 Season
2011 - Packers won. Rodgers was the #19 highest paid QB for the 10-11 Season
2010 - Saints won. Brees was the #12 highest paid QB for the 09-10 Season
2009 - Steelers won. Roethlisberger is the #10 highest paid QB for the 08-09 Season.

I'm on the fence as far as trading Wilson...However, you can't sit there and tell me that you expect us to go to the big stage and win by paying him top #1 QB money when the trend says otherwise. It's mostly a team effort, beyond luck, and if you pay one player a huge chunk of change, you have less to pay the other 52 possible elite/great players that it could take to win a Superbowl

Source: Overthecap.com

Ultimately, JS+PC picked Wilson, not the other way around. Sure, you could give credit to Scot McCloughan but without JS+PC pulling the trigger, it wouldn't have happened.

 

[Uncle Si]

Everyone one of the qbs listed has is top 8 in qb salaries. Brady is anomaly (see chapow post above).

Only Wilson was an unproven young player. Rest were near on their way to the big contract.

The question is... again... does a team risk starting over and hope they get the right qb again

 

[John63]

Alright, I'll bite.

2019 - Patriots won, Brady was #11 highest paid QB for 18-19 Season
2018 - Eagles won. Foles was #47 highest paid QB for 17-18 Season.
2017 - Patriots won. Brady was #18 highest paid QB for 16-17 Season.
2016 - Broncos won. P Manning was #6 highest paid QB for 15-16 Season
2015 - Patriots won. Brady was #12 highest paid QB for 14-15 Season
2014 - Seahawks won. Wilson was the #43 highest paid QB for 13-14 Season
2013 - Ravens won. Flacco was the #16 highest paid QB for 12-13 Season
2012 - Giants won. E Manning was the #5 highest paid QB for the 11-12 Season
2011 - Packers won. Rodgers was the #19 highest paid QB for the 10-11 Season
2010 - Saints won. Brees was the #12 highest paid QB for the 09-10 Season
2009 - Steelers won. Roethlisberger is the #10 highest paid QB for the 08-09 Season.

I'm on the fence as far as trading Wilson...However, you can't sit there and tell me that you expect us to go to the big stage and win by paying him top #1 QB money when the trend says otherwise. It's mostly a team effort, beyond luck, and if you pay one player a huge chunk of change, you have less to pay the other 52 possible elite/great players that it could take to win a Superbowl

Source: Overthecap.com

Ultimately, JS+PC picked Wilson, not the other way around. Sure, you could give credit to Scot McCloughan but without JS+PC pulling the trigger, it wouldn't have happened.

That's great but you are forgetting a few things. For example lets say Wilson gets just under Rodgers at 32mil That would make him 2. But in 2020 he would be 3, in 2021 given the number of QBs that will be looking he would drop to 8th, and in 2022 out of the top 10. The only difference is in those 2 years to drop out of top 10 we are still very competitive and probably playoff. If we trade Wilson we need a lot to happen to get there. We need to hit on the picks, get a decent QB, improve our Defense to top 5, oh and hope PC stays on, or we are starting all over again, only with no Franchise QB. Being paid top 10 money 1 year means little just 1 year later and then again 2 years, and of course with the salary cap going up every year, and if they structure it right they can have it hit the cap very little in the first few.

 

[Largent80]

Some here act like it's THEIR money RW will be paid.

And he WILL be paid regardless of if Seattle does it (but they most certainly SHOULD}.

You pay him and work around the rest of the team, it's a pretty simple model of the current NFL.

 

[AirStrike]

Some here act like it's THEIR money RW will be paid.

And he WILL be paid regardless of if Seattle does it (but they most certainly SHOULD}.

You pay him and work around the rest of the team, it's a pretty simple model of the current NFL.

If they don't pay him you'll find 25 other teams that will. I can count on pretty much one hand the amount of teams that wouldn't take RW. Indy, Cleveland, Houston, Green Bay, Carolina and KC. Other than that, every team in the league would give him whatever he wants. Ask Tennessee or Miami fans what it's like having stop-gap QBs and trying to win games with "running the ball and defense." Baltimore and Denver are starting to learn the hard way as well.