The reason Norwood is just a #5 to #2WR

[Spiderdan]

since it is miniscule & private

I don't think anyone needed to know it's miniscule and private.


I used simply that quote out of your entire postings to show how if you pick out only 1 thing from an entire body of work, the meaning can be misconstrued, like only using the vertical or only using 40 yard dash is a mistake.

 

[hawksurething]

1) I am not sure that ANYONE on this board has every suggested that WR is not a position of need. If people do not agree with your evaluation, this does not mean that they are against upgrading the WR position. They just question your premise, not your conclusion

2) Your number one WR "quality" is the ability to draw a double coverage. This is not an attribute nor quality. Double coverage is the product/outcome of the other qualities. Good hands? check Great route runner? Check Speed and jumping ability? check Ability to catch the ball in traffic? Yep. All critical qualities. Those qualities result in potentially being double covered.

Additionally, some teams (like the Seahawks) rarely double cover any receiver. Often times the primary coverage scheme will dictate "double coverage" - which typically only means that you have safety help over the top, or zone help underneath.

Correct. This is all I'm trying to educate people on.

So many GMs miss on WR because they focus on few good traits without looking at the horrible ones. Like raiders is just speed & no hands, 49 ERS hands and no speed or ability to attack the ball in the redzone ...like Sherman tipping crab pass. Of they go big & tall but no ability to draw double teams or win in the red zone a lot like mike Williams the hawks got after years of him trying to become a good WR.

Hawks fans should want a WR that starts his rookie year and scores on #1 CBs like Benjamin vs Sherman.
Not want a Baldwin score on a pick play by the ref. Or a pick play that gets int.

You should not have to run rub routes anyways. WRs should be able to get open on there own !

No more WRs that don't demand double teams or can't beat single coverage vs good CBs.

Go Hawks.

 

[StoneCold]

This guy is good. Too good. I think he may be some kind of Football AI project out at the Googles. Uncanny abilities to spot the jest of what a #1WR's are kneading.

SC

 

[hawksurething]

This guy is good. Too good. I think he may be some kind of Football AI project out at the Googles. Uncanny abilities to spot the jest of what a #1WR's are kneading.

SC

Thank you. I'm not perfect though...although I have yet to miss on WRs...there is 1 WR out there i picked that must prove himself named Donte Moncrief

If he gets 1000 yards & 8 TDs once he starts ?...then i will still be perfect. No way should have lasted to the 3rd round. Hawks passed him up along with many other good WRs. Which is why I am so vigorous this year on all the hawks boards,so hawks FO don't let the good WR talent go to other teams again.

 

[StoneCold]

This guy is good. Too good. I think he may be some kind of Football AI project out at the Googles. Uncanny abilities to spot the jest of what a #1WR's are kneading.

SC

Thank you. I'm not perfect though...although I have yet to miss on WRs...there is 1 WR out there i picked that must prove himself named Donte Moncrief

If he gets 1000 yards & 8 TDs once he starts ?...then i will still be perfect. No way should have lasted to the 3rd round. Hawks passed him up along with many other good WRs. Which is why I am so vigorous this year on all the hawks boards,so hawks FO don't let the good WR talent go to other teams again.

Will Bevell know what to do with a #1WR? I mean Tate was/is now almost a #1 in Detroit, cause he got the 1000 yards, 4 TD's and can jump like crazy, but here Bevell didn't get him the ball enough. I'm afraid that Seattle picking a #1 WR will be a wasted pick.

SC

 

[hawksurething]

This guy is good. Too good. I think he may be some kind of Football AI project out at the Googles. Uncanny abilities to spot the jest of what a #1WR's are kneading.

SC

Thank you. I'm not perfect though...although I have yet to miss on WRs...there is 1 WR out there i picked that must prove himself named Donte Moncrief

If he gets 1000 yards & 8 TDs once he starts ?...then i will still be perfect. No way should have lasted to the 3rd round. Hawks passed him up along with many other good WRs. Which is why I am so vigorous this year on all the hawks boards,so hawks FO don't let the good WR talent go to other teams again.

Will Bevell know what to do with a #1WR? I mean Tate was/is now almost a #1 in Detroit, cause he got the 1000 yards, 4 TD's and can jump like crazy, but here Bevell didn't get him the ball enough. I'm afraid that Seattle picking a #1 WR will be a wasted pick.

SC

I want to believe bevell knows how. He just needs 1 first. Tate's only real weakness was getting off the press. He would disappear in games. Plus he is never going to get 8-10 TDs due to this fact. Tate was a great 2nd round pick though as a #2WR or slot guy.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

I dont think we can judge a guy based off what he did year 1.

What I saw from Norwood is that he was clutch and dependable. Great hands.

I dont think he was completely recovered from his foot surgery and I thought he needed to hit the weight room and add more functional strength to beat NFL press corners.

I think Norwood will take a huge stride into his 2nd year. All the injuries plus the Seahawks needing to keep specialists like Lockette and Walters active or on the team made it difficult for arookie like Norwood to gain experience.
might not blow up but I think hes going be a Jermaine Kearse role WR with Baldwin-esque effixency.

Also, Norwood wasnt active during the SB. So I dont know why you'd start this thread and use the SB as to why Norwood is not good enough? He didnt even play.

I agree I dont think Norwood has a high ceiling of potential but I think he will be better than Kearse. And will be a dependable 3 or 4.

I think the Seahawks will get Brandon Marshall, it just makes too much sense, Baldwin cant be your #1 guy in 2015 and they'll definately take advantage of a strong WR draft and get a few more guys.

 

[Sports Hernia]

How its this guy not employed in some NFL front office? Even the Raiders could take him !! He is genius !

Or at least his own local sports radio show.

 

[HawkFan72]

How its this guy not employed in some NFL front office? Even the Raiders could take him !! He is genius !

Or at least his own local sports radio show.

I know I'd listen.

 

[olyfan63]

If your saying very don't matter?...then why is it a football skill at the combine ???

Please provide your defense of this argument with regard to the standing broad jump.

How many times in a football game do you see a player come to a complete stop, put his feet together, and jump forward as far as he can?

Yet it is a football skill at the combine, therefore by your logic it must matter.

The combine exists to provide statistics. Statistics exist so that people who don't understand the game can have numbers to compare.

So is the 40 yard dash for OL. How many times have you ever seen an OL run unimpeded for 40 yards.

Let's see... On Beastquake 1, Tyler Polumbus rambled 60 YARDS downfield, and beat Marshawn to the end zone while making a block. So Polumbus must have a great 40 time, to beat Marshawn there.

On Beastquake 2.0, no OL were out in front; it was all Lockette. Britt was the first OL to the endzone to celebrate with Marshawn. Carpenter started out strong, but faded. It's obvious: keep Britt, cut Carpenter, re-sign Polumbus.

That ringing you hear... that's Polumbus's agent's phone, with John Schneider calling.

 

[hawksurething]

I dont think we can judge a guy based off what he did year 1.

What I saw from Norwood is that he was clutch and dependable. Great hands.

I dont think he was completely recovered from his foot surgery and I thought he needed to hit the weight room and add more functional strength to beat NFL press corners.

I think Norwood will take a huge stride into his 2nd year. All the injuries plus the Seahawks needing to keep specialists like Lockette and Walters active or on the team made it difficult for arookie like Norwood to gain experience.
might not blow up but I think hes going be a Jermaine Kearse role WR with Baldwin-esque effixency.

Also, Norwood wasnt active during the SB. So I dont know why you'd start this thread and use the SB as to why Norwood is not good enough? He didnt even play.

I agree I dont think Norwood has a high ceiling of potential but I think he will be better than Kearse. And will be a dependable 3 or 4.

I think the Seahawks will get Brandon Marshall, it just makes too much sense, Baldwin cant be your #1 guy in 2015 and they'll definately take advantage of a strong WR draft and get a few more guys.

I agree with you. Norwood can take kearses role if he can get off the press. His hands are supurb !

 

[StoneCold]

This guy is good. Too good. I think he may be some kind of Football AI project out at the Googles. Uncanny abilities to spot the jest of what a #1WR's are kneading.

SC

Thank you. I'm not perfect though...although I have yet to miss on WRs...there is 1 WR out there i picked that must prove himself named Donte Moncrief

If he gets 1000 yards & 8 TDs once he starts ?...then i will still be perfect. No way should have lasted to the 3rd round. Hawks passed him up along with many other good WRs. Which is why I am so vigorous this year on all the hawks boards,so hawks FO don't let the good WR talent go to other teams again.

Will Bevell know what to do with a #1WR? I mean Tate was/is now almost a #1 in Detroit, cause he got the 1000 yards, 4 TD's and can jump like crazy, but here Bevell didn't get him the ball enough. I'm afraid that Seattle picking a #1 WR will be a wasted pick.

SC

I want to believe bevell knows how. He just needs 1 first. Tate's only real weakness was getting off the press. He would disappear in games. Plus he is never going to get 8-10 TDs due to this fact. Tate was a great 2nd round pick though as a #2WR or slot guy.

Damn, you might be right! He only got 7 TD's in 2012 and only 4 in 2014. He'll never get 8 if he doesn't build upper body strength, impress the CB's to making him their other targets. If not he will never make ELITE FACTUAL.

SC

 

[King Dog]

If your saying very don't matter?...then why is it a football skill at the combine ???

Please provide your defense of this argument with regard to the standing broad jump.

How many times in a football game do you see a player come to a complete stop, put his feet together, and jump forward as far as he can?

Yet it is a football skill at the combine, therefore by your logic it must matter.

The combine exists to provide statistics. Statistics exist so that people who don't understand the game can have numbers to compare.

So is the 40 yard dash for OL. How many times have you ever seen an OL run unimpeded for 40 yards.

James Carpenter on passing plays? Lol

 

[Anonymous]

Hey, HawkSureThing,

Can you please capitalize the player's proper names?

It's the least amount of respect you can possibly give, I promise you.

:roll:

 

[hawksurething]

I'm still waiting to hear hawksurething's story of exactly how it is that he became the WR genius that he is.

Your life story, give it to me.

Hmm, I don't care what his life story is. Dude's a breath of fresh air in this homeristic forum. He's dropping the knowledge none of us like to hear.

Don't let Sac's screenname coloration (racist!) fool you, hawkssurething. He's no more a mod than the leukemia kid is actually a Seahawks captain at the coin toss. Mark gets a taxbreak for having "employed" Sac as a mod (the reason why there's no ads)...only reason he's here.

Thank you. Im happy you see that all I'm doing is putting out knowledge about our weaknesses & strengths,so that the 12th man's collective consciousness stop refusing to get better quality players in the pass game that improve our chances for rings.

I find it crazy for people to disagree with me wanting a WR that makes that catch in the Superbowl without relying on a pick play...yet at the same time they get mad when I disagree back & defend my own post. What's up with that ???

I AM NOT ON THEIR POST WITHOUT DATA. WHY CANT THEY JUST STAY OFF MY POST,UNLESS THEY USE DATA & PRODUCTION TO DISAGREE with MY post ?

Thanks for your support of NFL's data.Go HAWKS

 

[Basis4day]

I'm still waiting to hear hawksurething's story of exactly how it is that he became the WR genius that he is.

Your life story, give it to me.

Hmm, I don't care what his life story is. Dude's a breath of fresh air in this homeristic forum. He's dropping the knowledge none of us like to hear.

Don't let Sac's screenname coloration (racist!) fool you, hawkssurething. He's no more a mod than the leukemia kid is actually a Seahawks captain at the coin toss. Mark gets a taxbreak for having "employed" Sac as a mod (the reason why there's no ads)...only reason he's here.

Thank you. Im happy you see that all I'm doing is putting out knowledge about our weaknesses & strengths,so that the 12th man's collective consciousness stop refusing to get better quality players in the pass game that improve our chances for rings.

I find it crazy for people to disagree with me wanting a WR that makes that catch in the Superbowl without relying on a pick play...yet at the same time they get mad when I disagree back & defend my own post. What's up with that ???

I AM NOT ON THEIR POST WITHOUT DATA. WHY CANT THEY JUST STAY OFF MY POST,UNLESS THEY USE DATA & PRODUCTION TO DISAGREE with MY post ?

Thanks for your support of my data.Go HAWKS

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[Sac]

I'm still waiting to hear hawksurething's story of exactly how it is that he became the WR genius that he is.

Your life story, give it to me.

Hmm, I don't care what his life story is. Dude's a breath of fresh air in this homeristic forum. He's dropping the knowledge none of us like to hear.

Don't let Sac's screenname coloration (racist!) fool you, hawkssurething. He's no more a mod than the leukemia kid is actually a Seahawks captain at the coin toss. Mark gets a taxbreak for having "employed" Sac as a mod (the reason why there's no ads)...only reason he's here.

Thank you. Im happy you see that all I'm doing is putting out knowledge about our weaknesses & strengths,so that the 12th man's collective consciousness stop refusing to get better quality players in the pass game that improve our chances for rings.

I find it crazy for people to disagree with me wanting a WR that makes that catch in the Superbowl without relying on a pick play...yet at the same time they get mad when I disagree back & defend my own post. What's up with that ???

I AM NOT ON THEIR POST WITHOUT DATA. WHY CANT THEY JUST STAY OFF MY POST,UNLESS THEY USE DATA & PRODUCTION TO DISAGREE with MY post ?

Thanks for your support of my data.Go HAWKS

First of all, pe is messing with you.

Second, the "collective consciousness" of the 12th man isn't preventing the Seahawks from getting a Dez Bryant type receiver. That's just silly.

Third, everyone here would love to have a WR like Dez. Most of us know, however, that it's not likely with our salary cap situation and other financial commitments.

Last of all, the only "data" you've provided is repeatedly screaming that RW had a 100.00 passer rating his first year. Which is great. We all love Russ.

You stating an opinion, and then saying "FACT" afterwards, doesn't automatically make it a fact.

You want to jot your "thoughts" down on the walls of the interwebz and not have anyone challenge you? Start a blog. If you're here, at .NET your assumptions are going to be challenged.

You've been getting your butt kicked in every little debate you've had since you got here. You're the only one that doesn't see that.

 

[hawksurething]

Thank you for saying I'm a breath of fresh air. Pehawk

 

[Scottemojo]

Sac used to be so fun, and not all moddy.

I read his post in Wilford Brimley's voice and it fit perfectly.

 

[HawkFan72]

Thanks for your support of my data.Go HAWKS

Is it your data or the NFL's data?